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FRONT PAGE  |  8/3/2015
WEDNESDAY, JUN 12, 2013  |  19 comments
Christian Reformed Church: Bible reading, evening worship in decline

Regular attendance at Sunday night worship services continues to decline in the Christian Reformed Church, according to a survey reviewed Monday at the Grand Rapids-based denomination’s annual meeting.

Respondents to an online survey also reported less-frequent private prayer, bible reading and spiritual devotion time than they did in a similar questionnaire six years ago.

According to responses from more than 2,600 people, 75 percent of Christian Reformed churchgoers pray at least every day, down from 80 percent in a 2007 survey and 84 percent in a 2002 survey. About 40 percent of church members read the bible and engage in family or personal devotions daily, down from about 45 percent in 2007, about 50 percent in 2002 and about 60 percent 20 years ago. ...


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AMEN!! Joe lee,AMEN!!
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News Item6/13/13 9:38 AM
joe lee | usa  Find all comments by joe lee
40 percent do daily family devotion. If correct, that number, though down, would probably blow away most denominarions. People wonder what fancy programs, counselors, or schools can impact their children for Christ and the answer is the Holy Scriptures sitting on their shelf taught to their own daily at the kitchen table.
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News Item6/12/13 8:28 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Hilarium wrote:
Yeah, I thought so. Well you see that article was published in 1995 Frank.
The ladies in the link were speaking to audiences. Large audiences. All over the world. They write lots of books that other people read, and really aren't that fringe now at all - which you confirm in your comment.
I don't define the World Council of Churches as a fringe movement - or the National Council either.
You don't seem all that interested in the destruction of the church as you previously claimed.
Well you are either a poor reader or you are simply trying to agitate me. My guess is it is the latter, but it really doesn't matter.

Done. And when I say done, that means unless you change your moniker and confuse me, I won't respond to you.

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News Item6/12/13 8:23 PM
Hilarium  Find all comments by Hilarium
Frank wrote:
Anyway, when I think of the dangers of evangelical feminism, I am not usually talking about the fringe elements that the article noted, although clearly they would be included. I am normally referring to those who quietly and subtly influence their friends, their husbands and church leaders with feminist ideas that then like Trojan horses enter into the church. I like to think of these people as being able to corrupt genuine Christians unlike the ladies noted in the link you provided. You and I would both agree that those in the link could confuse no one that was truly in the body of Christ. But, I want to thank you for providing the link.
Thanks for the update U.S. Yes, I am doing fine and I thank the Lord for all His blessings!
Yeah, I thought so. Well you see that article was published in 1995 Frank.

The ladies in the link were speaking to audiences. Large audiences. All over the world. They write lots of books that other people read, and really aren't that fringe now at all - which you confirm in your comment.

I don't define the World Council of Churches as a fringe movement - or the National Council either.

You don't seem all that interested in the destruction of the church as you previously claimed.

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News Item6/12/13 7:47 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Hilarium wrote:
http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Despatch/vol73_fiorenza.html
I skimmed the article and found it very interesting. It is also somewhat interesting that Berit Kjos was mentioned. I have her web page as one of my favorites; very good articles. I remember discussing her with one of her friends and I said I thought Berit sometimes acted like an evangelical feminist. The lady really railed on me and stopped emailing me. Anyway, when I think of the dangers of evangelical feminism, I am not usually talking about the fringe elements that the article noted, although clearly they would be included. I am normally referring to those who quietly and subtly influence their friends, their husbands and church leaders with feminist ideas that then like Trojan horses enter into the church. I like to think of these people as being able to corrupt genuine Christians unlike the ladies noted in the link you provided. You and I would both agree that those in the link could confuse no one that was truly in the body of Christ. But, I want to thank you for providing the link.

Thanks for the update U.S. Yes, I am doing fine and I thank the Lord for all His blessings!

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News Item6/12/13 7:40 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Frank wrote:
Thanks brother, ..
Hey Good to hear from you Frank, thanks all is well. I do need to update the status on my son, it just there is not enough characters to explain it. The problem turned out to be the father of the bride. The move cost my son a job he would have gotten. Plus numerous other things fell by the wayside. (not to mention we wasted the money to move him home) The girl was pressured by him to not go through with the marriage and end the relationship. They ended up getting married about a month later. They still need prayer for more hours at their jobs but seem to be doing fine. But God is in control and He will work it out for their good and His glory. Thanks for asking. I trust all is well with you.
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News Item6/12/13 6:48 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Hilarium wrote:
This should interest you then. Your opinions on feminism in the church could not be stronger than mine. I will go so far as to say you underestimate the destruction of both heretical religion and feminism.
http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Despatch/vol73_fiorenza.html
Any trouble with it let me know.
I am going to your link right now. I just started it and it looks interesting. But, why do you think I underestimate the destruction of both heretical religion and feminism?

All I said was that you misunderstood me because you exaggerated what I said. I don't mind that by the way as long as you give me an opportunity to clarify, which you did.

Anyway, reading the article now. If you really think I am weak on the subject of feminism in the church, email me and you will be pleasantly surprised.

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News Item6/12/13 6:39 PM
Hilarium  Find all comments by Hilarium
Frank wrote:
Thanks brother, that certainly lightened up my day. Although the Lord does work in mysterious ways. Had Hilarium not exaggerated my statement, then I would not have had an opportunity to clarify. And as you might suspect, I do have strong opinions regarding Evangelical feminism.
Hope all is going well with you and your family; especially your son.
This should interest you then. Your opinions on feminism in the church could not be stronger than mine. I will go so far as to say you underestimate the destruction of both heretical religion and feminism.

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Despatch/vol73_fiorenza.html

Any trouble with it let me know.

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News Item6/12/13 6:15 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
what???? Frank said to ban women from church??? Maybe he meant women should not speak at Christopher's house without permission, or post on SermonAudio. He would not have used a verse about learning from husbands at home because it says they are to be silent IN THE CHURCH, and Frank is too much of a student of the Word to not notice that.
OH OH wait.... Frank did not say women should be banned from the church, where would someone get a crazy idea like that??
Thanks brother, that certainly lightened up my day. Although the Lord does work in mysterious ways. Had Hilarium not exaggerated my statement, then I would not have had an opportunity to clarify. And as you might suspect, I do have strong opinions regarding Evangelical feminism.

Hope all is going well with you and your family; especially your son.

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News Item6/12/13 6:05 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
what???? Frank said to ban women from church??? Maybe he meant women should not speak at Christopher's house without permission, or post on SermonAudio. He would not have used a verse about learning from husbands at home because it says they are to be silent IN THE CHURCH, and Frank is too much of a student of the Word to not notice that.

OH OH wait.... Frank did not say women should be banned from the church, where would someone get a crazy idea like that??

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News Item6/12/13 5:40 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Hilarium wrote:
Yes. I would be interested in further clarification.
In the Evangelical sense, they would be women that adhere to egalitarianism and use scripture or Christ's name to justify it.

Once again, if I can make things clearer, let me know. Are you a lady?

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News Item6/12/13 5:34 PM
Hilarium  Find all comments by Hilarium
Frank wrote:
No, no no, you must have misunderstood. I was referring to "feminists", not Christian women. If you need further clarification, then just let me know.
Yes. I would be interested in further clarification.
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News Item6/12/13 5:12 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Hilarium wrote:
Ban women from attending churches. There is simply no point to women attending churches - they can learn from their husbands when they get home.
No, no no, you must have misunderstood. I was referring to "feminists", not Christian women. If you need further clarification, then just let me know.
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News Item6/12/13 4:53 PM
Hilarium  Find all comments by Hilarium
Frank wrote:
Yes, I think there are dots that we can connect. Evangelical feminism has destroyed the churches and secular feminism has destroyed the culture. Where they are joined together, then you have what we are seeing today and it will only get worse.
Ban women from attending churches. There is simply no point to women attending churches - they can learn from their husbands when they get home.
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News Item6/12/13 4:36 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike wrote:
From the news:
"According to responses from more than 2,600 people, 75 percent of Christian Reformed churchgoers pray at least every day, down from 80 percent in a 2007 survey and 84 percent in a 2002 survey. About 40 percent of church members read the bible and engage in family or personal devotions daily, down from about 45 percent in 2007, about 50 percent in 2002 and about 60 percent 20 years ago. ..."
From the CRC website crcna.org:
"Women were first approved as candidates for the ministry of the Word in the CRC at Synod 1996. By 2000, eighteen of the forty-seven classes had declared the word male inoperative in Church Order Article 3-a, thereby opening the offices of elder, minister, and evangelist (now ministry associate) to women in those classes."
Maybe there are dots to connect.
Yes, I think there are dots that we can connect. Evangelical feminism has destroyed the churches and secular feminism has destroyed the culture. Where they are joined together, then you have what we are seeing today and it will only get worse.
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News Item6/12/13 4:12 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
From the news:
"According to responses from more than 2,600 people, 75 percent of Christian Reformed churchgoers pray at least every day, down from 80 percent in a 2007 survey and 84 percent in a 2002 survey. About 40 percent of church members read the bible and engage in family or personal devotions daily, down from about 45 percent in 2007, about 50 percent in 2002 and about 60 percent 20 years ago. ..."

From the CRC website crcna.org:

"Women were first approved as candidates for the ministry of the Word in the CRC at Synod 1996. By 2000, eighteen of the forty-seven classes had declared the word male inoperative in Church Order Article 3-a, thereby opening the offices of elder, minister, and evangelist (now ministry associate) to women in those classes."

Maybe there are dots to connect.

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News Item6/12/13 3:51 PM
Muirton  Find all comments by Muirton
"75 percent of Christian Reformed churchgoers pray at least every day, down from 80 percent in a 2007 survey"

Little prayer and no Word of God? This is not a true Christian church. Sounds as though the Lord has removed His Spirit from amongst them.

Rev 3:1 ... "These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead."

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News Item6/12/13 8:24 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Barry from KY. wrote:
Bible reading has been in decline for years. I know of one deacon at a SBC here in KY that told me he never read the bible except during church services. He just didn't have the time...
He admits it, and attends service every week to fulfill his duties as a Deacon. That puts him ahead of too many these days. Please tell him about this article, he might be convicted to start reading. Ask him to commit to just 3 chapters a day...Not in depth study, he doesnt even have to fully understand it, just read it
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News Item6/12/13 7:17 AM
Barry from KY. | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY.
Bible reading has been in decline for years. I know of one deacon at a SBC here in KY that told me he never read the bible except during church services. He just didn't have the time...
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