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Pope Francis says wasting food is like stealing from the poor
The pontiff dedicated his weekly audience in St Peter‚Äôs Square to the United Nations World Environment Day to draw attention to the excesses of consumerism and food wastage.
‚ÄúThis culture of waste has made us insensitive even to the waste and disposal of food, which is even more despicable when all over the world, unfortunately, many individuals and families are suffering from hunger and malnutrition,‚ÄĚ the Pope said.
‚ÄúThrowing away food is like stealing from the table of the poor and the hungry,‚ÄĚ he said....
SteveR, the Chinese are in no hurry and many of the Arabs who have investments --like the Chrysler Building--aren't in that big of hurry either, but they are not friendly to the dollar as a standard.
Some of the worst offenders of food shortages are like the good Catholic Mugabe,
Kim Sengupta wrote: More than100 key individuals have been covered under an EU travel ban and assets freeze imposed in 2002. The online petition by the campaign group states: ‚ÄúIn 2000, the world looked on in horror as the Zimbabwe state and thugs acting for President Mugabe destroyed property, attacked farm employees and in some cases, tortured and murdered Zimbabwe‚Äôs own farmers. In response to this, the UK Government led efforts to implement sanctions against the ruling elite of Zimbabwe.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: the pope offered no moral argument, he just made a false statement based upon a false assumption. Instead condemning the pope for his inaccurate statement, you have chosen to condemn me for pointing it out. So be it. I responded with Scripture but it did not suit your fancy. But I also realize that you won't be posting much longer, because if you follow the verse you quoted out of context, you will be selling all you have, including whatever you are using to post on this site, and giving all your money to the poor.
The lesson of the rich young ruler shows us what it means to fulfill the entire law in the Spirit of the Law. This man sought the Kingdom of God by his own righteousness not Christs. Now the Law is our schoolmaster to Christ, because no flesh can keep the Law. While we cant keep the entire Law even after being justified, it is nonetheless written in our hearts. I dont call it stealing as the Pope does and I dont see Chris not finishing a carrot a problem. But I do see the constant waste of food in our culture as neglectful, like outrageous buffets and corn produced ethanol. The Pope like myself have seen 3rd world people scour the trash cans near westerners, because we throw away their gold
Blame the governments for living lavishly off of the international monetary funds they receive for feeding their people. Blame the governments for hoarding the truck and plane loads of food sent by sympathetic International groups to feed their people. Blame the governments for hoarding the medicine and food meant to help their own people. As for the US, most homeless choose to be homeless. There is food, water, and medical help for anyone who needs it at any time. There are plenty of assistance programs to help anyone and everyone. I am not stealing from the poor and hungry because I can't finish eating the last half of a carrot. The Vatican, with its unfathomable wealth, is being critical and judging? Please. The Popes fish hat alone with its encrusted jewels and gold threading is probably worth 100k alone. Give me a break Popo.
SteveR wrote: The Pope offered a moral argument not a secular one. You responded with a purely secular property rights text ...
the pope offered no moral argument, he just made a false statement based upon a false assumption. Instead condemning the pope for his inaccurate statement, you have chosen to condemn me for pointing it out. So be it. I responded with Scripture but it did not suit your fancy. But I also realize that you won't be posting much longer, because if you follow the verse you quoted out of context, you will be selling all you have, including whatever you are using to post on this site, and giving all your money to the poor. God bless you for your generosity.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: honestly, SteveR, I appreciate you banter but after expressly saying " don't say I am advocating we waste food, I am going by the statement of the pope" your first words are as quoted above.
The Pope offered a moral argument not a secular one. You responded with a purely secular property rights text where those owners lost their faith & lives over the chance to waste those proceeds
Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, Matthew 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Matthew 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Matthew 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Matthew 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
SteveR wrote: I would say quoting Acts 5 to validate future waste of food regardless of the poor is a form of neglect. But, unlike the Pope, I wouldn't call it stealing....
honestly, SteveR, I appreciate you banter but after expressly saying " don't say I am advocating we waste food, I am going by the statement of the pope" your first words are as quoted above. I trust you are not really saying that that is what I am advocating. Yet, alas, I am not one to think I am always clear, so I will allow our brethren in this thread to assess that too if they wish. The point made by the Scripture was to quote, "4 While it remained, WAS IT NOT YOUR OWN? And after it was sold, WAS IT NOT IN YOUR CONTROL?" So, to address the issue of private property, or in this case the food I buy with the money I have earned. If I chose to deliberately waste it, I may not be a good steward of what God has given me, however, that is a choice that I have. Choosing that option in no way diminishes or augments the hunger of the poor.
The Chinese go above and beyond fiat currency feudalism, their government also PEGS the yuan to the dollar. The artificially low value of their currency remains & only allows us to inflate with more disregard for true market forces.
Such behaviour is a betrayal to their people, but the ruling communists are rewarded handsomely for their loyalty to the dollar
Unprofitable Servant wrote: SteveR, I challenge you to find anywhere that I said we should neglect the poor.
I would say quoting Acts 5 to validate future waste of food regardless of the poor is a form of neglect. But, unlike the Pope, I wouldnt call it stealing.
While the Capitalist system is the best system going, its far from fair. Especially as our country is in the business of printing money and requiring other nations to buy that currency to trade internationally. Our unique level of prosperity isnt due to a superior financial system, its a subtle form of international feudalism where we benefit from monetizing world labor
I Corinthians 10:23,24 (NKJV)"All things are lawful for me but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify. Let no one seek his own, but each one the other‚Äôs well-being."
To jpw, I actually wrote a lengthy response but decided to let it go based upon the above verses. Thanks for your concern, as I stated before we will never see eye to eye on this matter.
To Michael Hranek, thanks for your kind words.
To SteveR, I challenge you to find anywhere that I said we should neglect the poor. We don't live in the Israelite economy, the poor here for instance do not, like Ruth, go and work in the fields to get their subsistence. If it was not for the profit motive (it is mutually beneficial to seller and buyer) we would be back in feudalism. You said,"not capitalistic", name a country that is more generous than ours in helping those in need. The premise wrong because I am taking nothing from anybody who is poor or hungry (the definition of stealing) because I waste food. (don't say I am advocating we waste food, I am going by the statement of the pope) It is not their food that is being wasted. And if we cut out all waste (impossible) they would still be hungry.
Okay, most of us do our shopping in grocery stores. So, if I buy too much of something and end up throwing some of it away, what choice did I have ‚Äď none. There is no way to sanitarily pack that left-over food up and give it to the hungry and/or malnourished. The other choice I might have is to not buy as much in the grocery store. That would lead me to not waste food. Now is that grocery store going to take non-purchased items that have not expired and somehow get them to the hungry and malnourished? Do they send their expired food to the poor and malnourished ‚Äď of course not, the items have expired.
If I see or know of someone who is poor and malnourished and are not sluggards and I can help them, then I would. By the way, I know of none of these and I don‚Äôt live a sheltered life.
Now normally when governments get involved in redistribution of wealth or food, then the only ones that really benefit from it are the leaders of the countries who receive the aid. Their corruption probably caused or keep their poor, poor. They get very rich, some of the poor are helped, but the vast majority of our donations go to these corrupt leaders. The Pope is simply part of the new redistribution of wealth agenda.
Michael Hranek wrote: ....I have to think it is an evil wicked sin in the church and so frigthfully in our own lives if don't guard our hearts to fail to feed people the word of God. Let me reword it slightly if you and I and all our genuine born again of the Spirit brothers and sisters have in our lives the word of God and do not give it to others how great is our sin? BUT in the power of the Spirit and the grace of God we preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified, He, who is the Bread of Life, is immeasurably more than enough to fill the hearts and lives of of each and every man, woman, girl and boy who in humble repentant faith believes in and on Him. God help us to do just that!
Quite agree Michael; I love to read this sort of post, and I pray it takes root in many hearts.
To end in hell with a full stomach and no spiritual food will avail nothing, but any who bow the knee to Christ and come under his Lordship, they are his responsibility, and The Jireh is well able to provide for his own.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: The premise is wrong, I am not stealing anything from someone else when I throw away that which is mine. (Acts 5:4)The problem is not that people waste food. That does not feed the poor. The problem in most of the countries is they do not practice a free market capitalistic system that would allow the inhabitants to maintain a system which allows people to grow their own food or work a trade and keep the fruits of their labor to get food. People are poor mainly due to government and/or religious oppression. We have poor here, just not too many starving for lack of food. Sorry, jpw, whether it is genetically modified is not the issue. It is not for lack of generosity as much food is sent out to nations that are third world countries, but lack of oversight does not make sure it reaches the masses. When our forefathers tried a communal shared system, people starved to death. When they followed the Bible about if any not work they will not eat, and you kept the fruit of your labors, we have the first Thanksgiving.
All that said, the premise is just as wrong as my parents telling me to eat my veggies because there are hungry kids in the world.
Unprofitable Servant Good Post! As some say, spot on! Amen! and Amen!
Unprofitable Servant wrote: The premise is wrong, I am not stealing anything from someone else when I throw away that which is mine. (Acts 5:4)
A first I have NEVER heard Acts 5 used as an excuse to promote neglecting the poor let alone this sale of land by Ananias & Sapphira a promotion for Capitalism. I will make 3 points
1)Capitalisms drive for profit has led to gm's. 2) The Pope isnt being outrageous, as the law of leaving extra food for the poor is Biblical(certainly not capitalistic)
Leviticus 19:9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. Leviticus 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
3) There is something wrong with our current food supply, one needs only to look at childhood obseity & ill health to see this. Whether gm's play a part, I dont know
Gentelemen, I called you out on one statement (the rat comment was not sarcasm, Frank)
that perhaps you feel you are too spiritual to deal with physical matters.
this is a challenge to you.
yes, as I said I have respect for your theology, but as far as exchanges regarding food and health, I find you are operating on limited knowledge.
example, Unprofitable Servant has used links to refute my information instead of reading up and understanding. his links have led me to sites that also promote evolutionary medicine, gay rights and abortion.
I talked with an abortionist who openly supported agenda 21, eugenics, and the taking over the food supply with gms. he openly admitted to me people would be sick.
now I look at Christopher and he is looking into these things and thinking. Japan and Korea have stopped our wheat imports. our wheat farmers are taking M to court -- their crops getting ruined by illegal gms (not approved and already taking our fields this year) -- this is the wheat your grandchildren will be eating.
MH sees the spiritual issues underguarding the destruction of the food.
I talk with many young people..... sterilitly issues, there's all kinds of mental health issues, young people with cancer...
Christopher000 wrote: Nobody, not one man, woman, or child should ever go hungry.
Christopher000 Despite the fact humanly speaking Francis 1 is a very likeable individual _ I cannot like in the least and rather must hate the false teachings of the Roman Catholic Religion.
That said in thinking about food and what is not the imagined sin of men, and of popular religious and political celebrities but heart breaking serious sin against Jesus Christ I have to think it is an evil wicked sin in the church and so frigthfully in our own lives if don't guard our hearts to fail to feed people the word of God.
Let me reword it slightly if you and I and all our genuine born again of the Spirit brothers and sisters have in our lives the word of God and do not give it to others how great is our sin?
BUT in the power of the Spirit and the grace of God we preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified, He, who is the Bread of Life, is immeasurably more than enough to fill the hearts and lives of of each and every man, woman, girl and boy who in humble repentant faith believes in and on Him.
Nobody, not one man, woman, or child should ever go hungry. We live on a massive Earth where food is bountiful and the soil is ready to do its job on an as needed basis. Food grows everywhere, seeds cannot be numbered, and the rivers and oceans are teeming with breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Yet, people all over the Earth are starving? The governments of this Earth are starving its own people, it's never for lack of food.
GM crops are showing up in farmers fields and the farmers are being brought up on charges and/or fined for growing Monsanto proprietary seeds. The seeds are being blown everywhere the wind blows as the GM crops are combined/harvested. The farmers can't control where the wind blows these seeds or where the birds drop them, yet they face hefty fines wherever these germinated seeds are found. Personallly, I think anything that is genetically modified is bad...in some unforseen way. God made everything a certain way for a reason and I think we have gone way too far when we begin interfering with His handiwork. I think, like asbestos, etc, the pitfalls may not be seen right away. Other countries actively ban things like this along with many chems for good reason...they have proven themselves harmful in the long term. What does our unbiased, neutral, FDA do? They approve everything that's harmful, treating negative research as conspiratorial nonscense and make patents for legitimate aids and potential cures near impossible. They follow the money.
What a kind and compassionate post you made. I agree with you, I have always enjoyed JPW's posts even when I disagreed with them. I have complimented things she has said and have referred to her as a sister in Christ and I never do that unless I mean it. For the record, after our negative exchange, I forgave her for attacking me personally (that was my perception) and asked the Lord not to hold that against her, but to bless her walk with Him. He will answer that prayer.
Perhaps I say things that can be taken the wrong way, but I attempt and purpose to never personally attack someone who I consider to be a brother or sister in Christ. If I ever do that, I would expect someone to correct me. We all walk a fine line on this forum!
With that said, I am going to disagree with you. There is never an instant, not an instant, when I consider myself to be spiritual in the sense that I think I am more spiritual than any of Christ's children. But, I know you were trying to be kind.