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FRONT PAGE  |  7/25/2016
SATURDAY, MAY 25, 2013  |  22 comments  |  1 commentary
John Piper: Pastors Are Not Infallible or Ultimate Authority

Popular theologian and Desiring God founder John Piper says it's a good practice for Christians to make sure their pastors and church leaders agree with the teachings of the Bible. Pastors are not infallible, and should not be taken as the ultimate authority, he cautioned.

"The Bible is the ultimate authority and infallible, not the pastor and not the elders. And it doesn't mean that you believe everything he says without examining it," said Piper in a recent discussion about whether or not online sermons undermined local churches.

He explained that while the Bible advises Christians to submit to the authority of their spiritual leaders and encourages respect for the office of the pastor, it doesn't mean Christians are supposed to accept everything church leaders tell them as the infallible word. On the contrary, he noted, the Bible represents Christians who track the leadership of their pastors ...


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News Item1/27/16 12:58 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Discerning wrote:
Put not your trust in princes,nor in the son of man,in whom there is no help.
Psalm 146:3.
Thus saith the LORD;Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,and maketh flesh his arm,and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Jeremiah 17:5.
I congratulate you for having a comment that was on topic and a good one also. Dr. Piper made some excellent comments.

http://tinyurl.com/jgt8rdl (What Is A Cult? -- And Are You Involved In One?) and
http://tinyurl.com/jkx3v5n (Christian Cults)

Dr. Wallace did not call the overpowering peculiarities of a ruling pastor a cult behavior. It could very well be one though. So look at both of those articles above and of course Dr. Wallace's article also to help avoid such behavior. Who Should Run the Church? A Case for the Plurality of Elders

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News Item1/26/16 6:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John MacArthur said or, wrote:
There is a wide-spread belief in the church that babies are to be baptized and so soon after their birth they are taken to the church, whether it's a Roman Catholic Church, or whether it's a Presbyterian Church, or whether it's a Reformed Church or a Lutheran Church, an Anglican Church, Episcopalian Church, they are taken to the church and they are sprinkled with water on the head, a little bit of water is dripped on their head and that constitutes their Christian baptism....

Now the result of this is that you have baptized non-Christians all over the world. They were baptized, as infants, with what they believed was a Christian baptism and an initiation into the church, and an initiation into salvation. And yet they are not Christians. They have not come to personal confession of faith in Christ and so they are baptized, but they are non-Christians.

excerpt from A Scriptural Critique of Infant Baptism

On topic: Who Should Run the Church? A Case for the Plurality of Elders by Dr. Wallace

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News Item5/29/13 12:57 PM
Covenant with God  Find all comments by Covenant with God
With prayer and fasting wrote:
infant baptism.
To Baptists:- I invite you to join the Covenant of Grace.

SermonAudio sermons:- (By Greg Price)
Infant Baptism as Covenant Keeping

Baptism as NT Circumcision

Holy Children

The New Covenant 1/3

Circumcision and Baptism

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News Item5/29/13 12:33 PM
With prayer and fasting  Find all comments by With prayer and fasting
Unparofitable Servant wrote:
I would wonder if that was the same person or someone else posting using their moniker
What a shame it's not for real.

Wouldn't it be great if that were to happen for real!

Let's pray and fast for him/her so that he/she will experience the new birth. Nothing like the new birth to set one free from the hocus pocus of infant baptism.

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News Item5/29/13 10:16 AM
Ugh  Find all comments by Ugh
D.C.Jet wrote:
The latter, UPS. Well recognised!
Looks like the poor Baptists haven't got a real arguement against the facts I posted.
Verbal dunking for some of the Baptists around here has become idolatry and their posts reveal venom of the heart against other Christians. Such is their extremism that verbal dunking for them becomes baptismal regeneration because of their belief that they are "the only saved."

Come now John, surely even you are aware that all heresy is concealed by ignorance.

1. LIES are not facts.
2. You practice something that is not biblical and so your attachment to the practice is idolatrous.
3. Never have we witnessed ignorance as great as yours!
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News Item5/29/13 10:02 AM
D.C.Jet | The Real One  Find all comments by D.C.Jet
Unparofitable Servant wrote:
I would wonder if that was the same person or someone else posting using their moniker
The latter, UPS. Well recognised!

Looks like the poor Baptists haven't got a real arguement against the facts I posted.

Verbal dunking for some of the Baptists around here has become idolatry and their posts reveal venom of the heart against other Christians. Such is their extremism that verbal dunking for them becomes baptismal regeneration because of their belief that they are "the only saved."

John UK wrote:
Maybe you'd like to produce a statement of doctrine from ANY Baptist confession which states such.
Come now John, surely even you are aware that all heresy is concealed by ignorance.
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News Item5/29/13 9:21 AM
Unparofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unparofitable Servant
Christopher000 wrote:
That was honorable (if you are being serious)
I would wonder if that was the same person or someone else posting using their moniker
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News Item5/29/13 9:02 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
That was honorable (if you are being serious)
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News Item5/28/13 4:19 PM
D.C.Jet  Find all comments by D.C.Jet
I know I lied in my last post about what Baptists believe and in keeping with genuine Christianity, to which, until this act, I have been a complete stranger, humbly apologise for my lies and deception. I confess that to date the Presby confessions of faith and their writings have been my bible and that I have never cared for nor read or studied God's word which in my pride I set at nought. In fact through party spirit, which very agreeably fuelled my pride, I have tried to counter the teachings of the Word of God, for which may God have mercy on my soul.

Please pray for the darkness of my mind and the hardness of my heart. May God make me teachable and humble.

I am repenting of my former sins and will from now cease to use the legion monikers that I have used to hide under.

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News Item5/28/13 4:10 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Neil wrote:
Captain Obvious.
My thoughts too, until I began to wonder how incredibly wisdom-deficient the audience for whom this statement was crafted must be.
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News Item5/28/13 4:09 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Interesting tripe.
Maybe you'd like to produce a statement of doctrine from ANY Baptist confession which states such.
I don't expect you to answer......
BUT WHO KNOWS?
You might have a crack at it!
Nah!
It must be D.C. Jet lag
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News Item5/28/13 3:58 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
D.C.Jet wrote:
Thus do these Baptists credit their form of baptism with unique baptismal regeneration....
Interesting tripe.

Maybe you'd like to produce a statement of doctrine from ANY Baptist confession which states such.

I don't expect you to answer......

BUT WHO KNOWS?

You might have a crack at it!

Nah!

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News Item5/28/13 3:26 PM
D.C.Jet  Find all comments by D.C.Jet
Baptists and baptismal regeneration -

If you look at previous Baptists posts their reaction to other denominations is so severe as to reject the regeneration of other denominations on the basis of verbal dunking, (Baptist form baptism).

Baptists with these obstinate dogmatics in verbal dunking reach to the realm of idolatry and they deny the salvation of those who do not accept their form of baptism ceremony.

Thus do these Baptists credit their form of baptism with unique baptismal regeneration; - in extreme opposition to paedobaptism (effusion) which was the only form of baptism since Biblical times till AD1521

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News Item5/27/13 2:54 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Thanks Lurker, we declare the Bible is infallible, not something out of Roman Catholic Authority (PDF) which has created the pagan Popish Baptism.

As I have pointed out in an easy to read html format sometime in the past I've pointed that out anyway, you should read, Baptism: Truth or Tradition. How does Gil Rugh come up with what is in that ebooklet? Of course he shuns Romish allegory, as do all good pastors!

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
Allegory opens the door to error as the word of God becomes subject to man's reasoning and interpretation.
from the summary for the sermon, The Bible: Clearly & Literally True. It is definitely worth listening to.
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News Item5/26/13 4:28 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
D.C.Jet wrote:
"Pastors are not infallible, and should not be taken as the ultimate authority, he cautioned."
Thats stange.
The Baptists posting on this site declare that they are infallible, whether pastor or pew filler. In fact they teach baptismal regeneration ONLY by dunking and verbalised authentication.
Don't feed the trolls.
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News Item5/26/13 4:09 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
D.C.Jet wrote:
The Baptists posting on this site declare that they are infallible, whether pastor or pew filler. In fact they teach baptismal regeneration ONLY by dunking and verbalised authentication.
D.C.Jet
Sorry (not really) to bust your bubble but what you posted just ain't true.

So as kindly as I might you should consider humbly repenting for bearing false witness about the (quote) Baptists that are posting on this site.

AND while you are at it, honestly ask yourself why you would do such a thing? so that you might deal with whatever the Lord Jesus Christ sees is going on in your heart.

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News Item5/26/13 3:25 PM
D.C.Jet  Find all comments by D.C.Jet
"Pastors are not infallible, and should not be taken as the ultimate authority, he cautioned."

Thats stange.

The Baptists posting on this site declare that they are infallible, whether pastor or pew filler. In fact they teach baptismal regeneration ONLY by dunking and verbalised authentication.

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News Item5/25/13 2:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Quite right, because one thing is for certain! Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No. (PDF)

There is really quite good agreement from pastors who never met each other, as long as they follow the Principles of Bible Interpretation, When pastors don't follow, a literal, grammatical, historical way of interpreting the Bible, this creates Why the Differences Over What the Bible Says.

But, again, a church leader has to be a Christian in the first place, the leaders of the Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses (PDF) aren't, which is why you get so much anti-Christian messages from them.

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News Item5/25/13 8:47 AM
Troll spotter  Find all comments by Troll spotter
tiebreaker wrote:
Going through irreconcilable differences, you consult three wise pastors who have read all of the related passages and each gives you different advice on divorce and remarriage, which one do you follow?
A smell an RCC troll - yuk!
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News Item5/25/13 8:40 AM
tiebreaker  Find all comments by tiebreaker
Going through irreconcilable differences, you consult three wise pastors who have read all of the related passages and each gives you different advice on divorce and remarriage, which one do you follow?
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