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Faith healers charged with murder after 2nd death
A Philadelphia couple who believe in faith healing over medicine and who were on probation in their son's pneumonia death were charged with murder Wednesday after a second young child died under what a prosecutor called "eerily similar" circumstances. Herbert and Catherine Schaible ignored a court order to seek medical care if their children needed it, prosecutors said Wednesday. The requirement was a condition of the probation sentence they received after the death of their toddler son four years ago.

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Troll Oggler  Find all comments by Troll Oggler
John Yurich USA wrote:
I am contemplating getting re-Baptized at my friends Baptist Church but I won't be converting to the Baptist Church if I get re-Baptized.
Yawn!
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News Item5/26/13 6:23 PM
sinnersavedbygrace  Find all comments by sinnersavedbygrace
John Yurich USA wrote:
I am contemplating getting re-Baptized at my friends Baptist Church but I won't be converting to the Baptist Church if I get re-Baptized.
John, Why do you attend a RC church when you claim to be saved at your brother's non-denominational church (independent ?)??

Why not therefore attend an independent church?

Why not attend your friend's Baptist church if you are prepared to be baptised there?

What is special about your RC church? In your shyness have you seen 'any' converted at this RC church?

You claim to have no problems with the main confessions of faith.

The main confessions of faith have a problem with the RC church!

Why not find a Calvinistic church?

Speak to a Baptist Pastor and see if he thinks you evidence that you are indeed a candidate for baptism.

Where in the USA are you and we can see what sound local churches are close by that will hold to the confessions that you believe!

Come on John, answer the questions

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News Item5/26/13 6:03 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
If a person wasn't baptized as an adult he should be baptized, if he is a Christian. He is suppose to make a public declaration that he is a Christian.
--Baptism: Truth or Tradition.
I am contemplating getting re-Baptized at my friends Baptist Church but I won't be converting to the Baptist Church if I get re-Baptized.
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News Item5/26/13 4:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
If a person wasn't baptized as an adult he should be baptized, if he is a Christian. He is suppose to make a public declaration that he is a Christian.
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
Another area that needs to be addressed is infant baptism. Depending on your background, you may have wrestled with this yourself. As far as Scripture is concerned, it is really a non- issue. Scripture simply does not speak to the issue of infant baptism. This in itself should tell us something. The Word of God is the unfolding of God’s plan of redemption to bring glory to Himself. For it to have failed to speak about something which is supposedly necessary to bring salvation to multiplied millions of infants is more than an oversight. So the fact that God never addresses infant baptism is significant in itself.

We already know that baptism is not a part of salvation....If there is only one God and only one way of salvation— that being faith in the revelation God has given— then you cannot say that infants are saved differently. According to what Paul has said, two paths of salvation would require two gods, a god who saves adults by faith, and a god who saves infants by baptism.

--Baptism: Truth or Tradition.
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News Item5/26/13 2:08 PM
Troll Oggler  Find all comments by Troll Oggler
SteveR wrote:
...,..,If thats the fellow Im being confused with, I would say thats a step up from the other names Ive been called around here.
Nice ruse Schwarb! You're the only one who could admire you, and think that being compared to an apostate is a compliment!!
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News Item5/26/13 1:33 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
rattlewarning wrote:
ALLAN SCHWARB used to post and I think he was an apostate evangelical who became a RC and had once attended Reformed Theological Seminary. He was rebuked a number of times but reappeared in various hissing sounds supporting Rome. Trog Oggler could be mistaken but are we not all suspicious as SteveR says he is 'reformed' (displaying some knowledge) but makes strange Romish noise?
Why does he love to spend his valuable time on a PROTESTANT comment board where only RC's and ecumenists agree with him?
I dont see any posts remaining from Schwarb, but a number of nicks being accused of being that person. I only found some deleted comments on anticatholic sermons. Outside of SA, in comment sections of anticatholic bloggers there is a very polite PCA convert to Catholicism by the name of Allan Schwarb posting and presenting convicting facts that these bloggers are illequipped to respond to.

If thats the fellow Im being confused with, I would say thats a step up from the other names Ive been called around here.

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News Item5/26/13 10:09 AM
rattlewarning  Find all comments by rattlewarning
Christopher000 wrote:
Troll Oggler Wrote:
"As for monikers, since SteveR is not your real name, one has to wonder what you have to hide, don't you think Alan?"
Alan?
ALLAN SCHWARB used to post and I think he was an apostate evangelical who became a RC and had once attended Reformed Theological Seminary. He was rebuked a number of times but reappeared in various hissing sounds supporting Rome. Trog Oggler could be mistaken but are we not all suspicious as SteveR says he is 'reformed' (displaying some knowledge) but makes strange Romish noise?

Why does he love to spend his valuable time on a PROTESTANT comment board where only RC's and ecumenists agree with him?

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News Item5/26/13 7:28 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Troll Oggler Wrote:
"As for monikers, since SteveR is not your real name, one has to wonder what you have to hide, don't you think Alan?"

Alan? Are you just making up a name? That would be like calling myself BillG even though my name is Christopher...ha-ha...wierd. I don't know how some of you get this inside info if it's true Seems like others in the past have known posters beyond the names they were posting under. I guess I would have to have been around as long as most here. My real name is Bill, but my friends call me Johnny, when they're not calling me Peter, but I prefer David, or Christopher. Ha-ha.

Oh, @THOUGHTS...thanks.

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News Item5/26/13 4:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
If you reread my post, I said 'alone.' We should baptize new adult believers if they werent baptized as children. I only disagree with those today that baptize these new believers with fig leaves on
1. Disagree. What if the baptism was of a baby born to anglican parents in an anglican church?

2. Steve, I wonder if you could rephrase that, as I do not see what you mean.

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News Item5/25/13 5:05 PM
Troll Oggler  Find all comments by Troll Oggler
SteveR wrote:
So people calling you 'brother' motivates you? I surmised there was a Dr Jekyll behind your numerous Mr Hydes
What a dreadful existence hiding from your friends with all these pseudonames knowing that they would despise the real you
Who said anything about motivation?

The fact is that (apart from Rufus, who may agree with your errant view on justification not being by grace alone through faith alone and therefore viewing all Roman Carholics as genuine Christians) no one on this board would extend to you the right arm of fellowship.

As for monikers, since SteveR is not your real name, one has to wonder what you have to hide, don't you think Alan?

@Rufus, Ironic that you consider yourself so mature and yet cannot discern a hatefilled errorist and promoter of falsehood, even considering the whore church the bride of Christ I think this says a great deal about you.

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News Item5/25/13 5:00 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
If you reread my post, I said 'alone.' We should baptize new adult believers if they werent baptized as children. I only disagree with those today that baptize these new believers with fig leaves on
Could you rewrite your answer in more readable language, please. Thank you.
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News Item5/25/13 4:51 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Well you see, Steve, that The Lord Jesus Christ gave instruction to his church, and it behoves us to accept what he said, and do it.
Mark 16:14-16 KJV
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
This text combines justification by faith alone, and believer's baptism alone.
Repentance and faith are inseparable, and are followed by baptism in water.
Acts 2:38 KJV
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Maybe you have a different spin on these texts, contrary to the simple explanation?
If you reread my post, I said 'alone.' We should baptize new adult believers if they werent baptized as children. I only disagree with those today that baptize these new believers with fig leaves on
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News Item5/25/13 4:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Like those who hold to Believer Baptism only, JWs error is truth misapplied as well.
Well you see, Steve, that The Lord Jesus Christ gave instruction to his church, and it behoves us to accept what he said, and do it.

Mark 16:14-16 KJV
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

This text combines justification by faith alone, and believer's baptism alone.

Repentance and faith are inseparable, and are followed by baptism in water.

Acts 2:38 KJV
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Maybe you have a different spin on these texts, contrary to the simple explanation?

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News Item5/25/13 4:40 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Troll oggled wrote:
I see no one on this board agreeing with you, or calling you a brother in Christ. So why don't to just crawl back to Papa Francis' side, where you came from.
So people calling you 'brother' motivates you? I surmised there was a Dr Jekyll behind your numerous Mr Hydes

What a dreadful existence hiding from your friends with all these pseudonames knowing that they would despise the real you

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News Item5/25/13 4:39 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
Troll oggled wrote:
Is that right Alan Schwarb?
I see no one on this board agreeing with you, or calling you a brother in Christ. So why don't to just crawl back to Papa Francis' side, where you came from.
I agree that name changing is unseemingly. I haven't asked for Steve's testimony but I would consider him as much a brother in Christ as anyone else on this board professing Jesus. This type of banter wears me out and I wish folks could disagree in a more mature fashion.
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News Item5/25/13 3:58 PM
Troll oggled  Find all comments by Troll oggled
SteveR wrote:
Troll oggled?
I would suggest there is a 50/50 chance you are both eagle scout and the one admonishing him. Whether you are or arent both, your name changing shape shifting attitude is unseemly. Changing your name post to post is the work of the wicked, not the just... and people here recognize that
Is that right Alan Schwarb?

I see no one on this board agreeing with you, or calling you a brother in Christ. So why don't to just crawl back to Papa Francis' side, where you came from.

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News Item5/25/13 3:34 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Troll oggled wrote:
Says the unbeliever who thinks that his fellow unbelievers in the RCC are the elect!
Troll oggled?

I would suggest there is a 50/50 chance you are both eagle scout and the one admonishing him. Whether you are or arent both, your name changing shape shifting attitude is unseemly. Changing your name post to post is the work of the wicked, not the just... and people here recognize that

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News Item5/25/13 3:25 PM
Troll oggled  Find all comments by Troll oggled
SteveR wrote:
Like those who hold to Believer Baptism only, JWs error is truth misapplied as well....,
Says the unbeliever who thinks that his fellow unbelievers in the RCC are the elect!
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News Item5/25/13 3:15 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Quite so. It reminds me of the Jehovah's Witnesses cult, who refuse any necessary blood transfusions on religious grounds, claiming that "the life is in the blood".
Like those who hold to Believer Baptism only, JWs error is truth misapplied as well

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Leviticus 17:12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

Leviticus 17:13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.

Leviticus 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

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News Item5/25/13 3:09 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
From the article:

"About a dozen children a year die in the U.S. when their parents choose prayer over medical care, according to Shawn Francis Peters, a University of Wisconsin lecturer who wrote "When Prayer Fails: Faith Healing, Children and the Law."

Perspective...

"An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company."

The welfare of a child and the decisions regarding the welfare of a child are the responsibility of a parent. There are far, far more parents that have been responsible for their children's deaths as a result of taking them to an allopathic hospital/doctor. It is not for people outside of that family to determine what the best medical decisions are for the child as these matters are within the realm of family government.

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