Eben Alexander shouted and flailed as hospital orderlies tried to hold him in place. But no one could stop his violent seizures, and the 54-year-old neurosurgeon went limp as his horrified wife looked on.
That moment could have been the end. But Alexander says it was just the beginning. He found himself soaring toward a brilliant white light tinged with gold into ‚Äúthe strangest, most beautiful world I‚Äôd ever seen.‚ÄĚ
Alexander calls that world heaven, and he describes his journey in ‚ÄúProof of Heaven,‚ÄĚ which has been on The New York Times bestseller list for 27 weeks. Alexander says he used to be an indifferent churchgoer who ignored stories about the afterlife. But now he knows there‚Äôs truth to those stories, and there‚Äôs no reason to fear death....
Christopher000 wrote: Uh-oh...here we go, making fun of the crazies. Yeah, it's just speculation,
Actually Christopher, I think there is a lot of sense in what you propose. Why shouldn't fallen angels play a role in the endtime and fool a lot of people. There is a biblical warrant for endtime magic, and someone has to be performing it. Why not devils?
As regards Muslims, I do not believe that they will ever unite with any religious or spiritual group. Neither will JW's or Mormons or any of the cults. Without uniqueness, these cease to be. As I see it, the ecumenical movement firstly seeks to unite all churches which have lost the gospel, or which never had it in the first place. This will isolate the remnant. Next will be the global uniting with other vague religions such as Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism etc. Whatever happens next, the remnant will be a despised and ostracised group, highly persecuted or put to death.
Uh-oh...here we go, making fun of the crazies. Yeah, it's just speculation, John, but here's the reason for my speculation:
I used to think that the world becomes subservient to the Roman system, with the Pope being the ecumenical head of all religions; unifying all into one enormous, single-purposed mass. I still believe that Rome plays all of the speculated end time roles, but.. Here's my quandry (yes, I used the word quandry): I can accept that Rome will organize and lead, but what is it that brings all religions of the world together, as one unit, in the first place, despite their vast differences that are historically impossible to resolve in any perceivable way? What could possibly bring the Muslims together with anyone...and so on, etc, etc, etc. What one event could cause all of the worlds religions, and athiests, to set aside their differences and come together as one? So, there's a reason for my madness but maybe I have the end times scenario all wrong?
Christopher000 wrote: Although, you might have just joined the crazy club alongside me...
Speculation is fine, Christopher. Just don't jot it down in your little book of sound doctrines.
Unless of course you discovered your tenet in the Bible, in which case it would be biblical doctrine and most acceptable.
jpw wrote: Just a few years back one of their big guys said that if aliens come, they will be glad to baptize them, something to that effect.
I can just see the headlines:
ALIENS ATTEND MASS
"Visitors from outer space today attended their confirmation and took mass for the first time. Unfortunately, they were wine-intolerant, and each one was taken to hospital with severe cramps. The leader said he was thinking of suing the RCC for promoting the use of dangerous substances in their services."
JPW...what a relief...I thought for certain that I would be called a crazy fool for considering such an idea. I figured that's what the silence was telling me...everyone was silently saying, "idiot". Anyway, yes, I'm familiar with their observatory as well as their fairly recent comment about the potential of alien visitors and how they would welcome them...interesting!
yes, Christopher, I see this as a possibility too. Have you seen the "Lucifer" -- I think its the strongest telescope in the world run by the Vatican in Arizona? Just a few years back one of their big guys said that if aliens come, they will be glad to baptize them, something to that effect. and with the use of hologram technology, who knows what kind of images could be placed to fool people? People are looking for a Messiah, which kind of reminds me of the time when Jesus was born.
I often wonder if the coming delusion will play out wiith the aliens coming to Earth scenario. Most, aside from Christians either believe in life elsewhere, aliens visiting Earth, abductions, or wouldn't be surprised if any of it happened because of all the coverage. Maybe they are what brings the world together as one...visitors from another planet. Only, they are not really from another planet, but are the fallen angels playing out their final roles? Maybe all of the sightings, "abductions", etc, are really Satan conditioning the world for the greatest deception of all time. The world will worship these "space" beings, the "space" beings will perform miraculous feats of magic...the world will fall at their feet after being told by the "space" beings that they created mankind? All the while, it's Satan and his angels reaping their harvest.
...even the elect would be fooled if it were possible.
Quote from article; "If pastors do talk about stories of near-death experiences, they can also be seen as implying that conservative doctrine ‚Äď only those who confess their faith in Jesus get to heaven, while others suffer eternal damnation ‚Äď is wrong, scholars and pastors say"
If I wanted to learn about Heaven I'd start with the Bible and not the works promoted here.
I've not read anything by him but have been told that Dr. Richard Sibbes, the famous Puritan author, wrote extensively about Heaven and its glories. So much so that Dr. Martin Lloyde-Jones and others have referred to him as "the Heavenly Dr. Sibbes", and so he would be likely the next place I would go to learn about Heaven.
Christopher000 wrote: ...I didn't doubt them before because I figured, why would a Christian, knowing they were accoutable to God, lie about something like that? Then, I read about all if the near death experiences and very few report anything negative, but rather, happiness, bliss, a white light, etc, problem is that the people I've read are from all different religions. Do you all think these experiences are Satanic and if so, why would God allow anyone to be deceived to the point that they are actually fooled into believing that they are going to Heaven via a near death experience?
Most believers do not believe they are accountable to God.
Yes, on the whole I believe these stories to be Satanic as the descriptions often do not match with the Bible and as you noted,they have an ecumenical bent to them.
I believe the motivation for the Devil on this matter is to convince folks they die and go to an eternal heavenly bliss, when, in fact, they die and go to judgment.
Hebrews 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
I have read all of the "I went to Heaven" and "I went to hell" books. The ones written by born again Christians, that is. My Aunt actually caused me to cast doubt. I didn't doubt them before because I figured, why would a Christian, knowing they were accoutable to God, lie about something like that? Then, I read about all if the near death experiences and very few report anything negative, but rather, happiness, bliss, a white light, etc, problem is that the people I've read are from all different religions. Do you all think these experiences are Satanic and if so, why would God allow anyone to be deceived to the point that they are actually fooled into believing that they are going to Heaven via a near death experience?