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FRONT PAGE  |  8/4/2015
TUESDAY, MAY 21, 2013  |  28 comments
Church of Scotland General Assembly votes to allow gay ministers

The Church of Scotland's ruling General Assembly has voted to allow actively gay men and women to become ministers.

Assembly commissioners in Edinburgh voted in favour of a proposal that allows liberal parishes to opt out of the church's policy on homosexuality.

The decision will have to be endorsed by the church's regional presbyteries and officially approved next year.


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News Item5/28/13 11:14 AM
Prove it  Find all comments by Prove it
PR wrote:
"The Church of Jesus Christ consists in all those throughout the whole world that profess the true religion together with their children...
In other words believers with their unbelieving children comprise the church?!

Prove it!

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News Item5/28/13 10:58 AM
PR  Find all comments by PR
Church of Scotland in name only.

Appropriate quote from the web. "The Church of Jesus Christ consists in all those throughout the whole world that profess the true religion together with their children. The Church is constituted by its adherence to the truth as taught in the Scriptures. To the extent that it does not conform to that rule, it ceases to be a church of Jesus Christ. If it fails to meet that test in doctrine, government, worship or discipline, it cannot claim divine right of existence. The popular confusion wherein the Church of Christ is identified with the government over a professing body is the root of ecclesiastical tyranny and flows from Romish ecclesiology that teaches that the Church is the governments (i.e., pope, archbishops, bishops, priests, etc.). These governments are titled "clergy" and without them there can be no "Church." The people are grafted into the "Church" by means of the "clergy." In fact, the apostle Peter refers to the people of God as his "clergy" (1 Peter 5:3; the word translated "heritage" is klhrwv "kleron"). It is true that Jesus Christ has set government in his Church, but that government is not the Church. Any government which claims a right over believers must be able to show its charter from the Word of God."

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News Item5/28/13 10:03 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Are you talking about me? I just applied your own standard and affirmed that your people were apostate long before the Church of Scotland.
You calling me a Baptist?

Whatever next?

It makes no difference to me who is apostate and who is not. I don't have a party spirit, as that is unbiblical.

However, I do not deny that having an unregenerate membership is duty bound to result in apostasy eventually, as the tares gain the majority, and take positions of leadership, voting in the presbyteries.

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News Item5/28/13 10:01 AM
Yeah right  Find all comments by Yeah right
SteveR wrote:
Are you talking about me? I just applied your own standard and affirmed that your people were apostate long before the Church of Scotland.
You did no such thing!
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News Item5/28/13 9:43 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Where'd he go?
Surely not back to the priest for more instruction?
Are you talking about me? I just applied your own standard and affirmed that your people were apostate long before the Church of Scotland.
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News Item5/28/13 9:07 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Where'd he go?

Surely not back to the priest for more instruction?

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News Item5/28/13 8:38 AM
Yeah right  Find all comments by Yeah right
SteveR wrote:
Ouch, women pastors full apostasy stemming from infant baptism? then this doesnt bode well for the fig leaf baptism crowd
From the official website of the Southern Baptist Convention
"RESOLUTION ON ABORTION
June 1971
...
Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother"
Comparing apples with pears and coming out with a pink elephant!

The problem of the Scottish church is that they don't care for God's revelation or its authority.

The question of one's stance on a single moral issue, which BTW many make on the basis of Scripture, is not apostasy, just because one doesn't happen to agree with it.

Why is it that SteveR always thinks and acts like the devil? He must have missed the seminars on "subtlety" at the Jesuit training school.

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News Item5/28/13 8:31 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Ouch, women pastors full apostasy stemming from infant baptism? then this doesnt bode well for the fig leaf baptism crowd
From the official website of the Southern Baptist Convention
"RESOLUTION ON ABORTION
June 1971
...
Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother"
Good morning Steve

Sometimes I get the impression you delight in the apostasy of churches.

I am more concerned with the root causes.

If the root cause is dealt with, your own church may stand a chance of avoiding the great apostasy. Unless it is already apostate, of course.

I am well acquainted with the presbytery meetings in Wales, because I know someone who atends them regularly. He reckons that he's the only Christian among them. And that sort of thing can only come about because unregenerate folks are allowed into church membership. Why you argue with that conclusion, I cannot tell.

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News Item5/28/13 8:13 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
"The decision will have to be endorsed by the church's regional presbyteries and officially approved next year."
I doubt there will be one vote against, at the presbytery meeting. These meetings are attended by the elders, ministers, or church reps, and it will say a lot for their spiritual state.
But then, if they insist on paedo baptism, what really do they expect? If they had kept the church membership a regenerate one, baptising only those who believed the Bible and were called of God, they wouldn't be in this unbiblical pickle.
I guess we could call it full apostasy.
Ouch, women pastors full apostasy stemming from infant baptism? then this doesnt bode well for the fig leaf baptism crowd

From the official website of the Southern Baptist Convention

"RESOLUTION ON ABORTION
June 1971
...
Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother"

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News Item5/28/13 4:58 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
"The decision will have to be endorsed by the church's regional presbyteries and officially approved next year."

I doubt there will be one vote against, at the presbytery meeting. These meetings are attended by the elders, ministers, or church reps, and it will say a lot for their spiritual state.

But then, if they insist on paedo baptism, what really do they expect? If they had kept the church membership a regenerate one, baptising only those who believed the Bible and were called of God, they wouldn't be in this unbiblical pickle.

I guess we could call it full apostasy.

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News Item5/28/13 12:50 AM
Kat | USA  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kat
Not a church!
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News Item5/23/13 6:36 PM
Dems know  Find all comments by Dems know
"Boy Scouts vote to accept gays"

Even the BSA apparently didn't separate far enough from Rome.

Before you know it, the RCC will have to change the CCC if it wants to keep up with the world.

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News Item5/23/13 3:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John U.K., and thought Knox, both hit the nail on the head.

It is really a misnomer to call this outfit a church however, apparently quite some time ago, they allowed women ministers, q.v.,
Photo by: Wikimedia Commons/Green Lane

'Church of Scotland amends disputed Israel paper'
so it is obvious the Bible is not important to them, Just like Catholics should Come out of the Catholic Church if there are any Christians in the C of Scotland they should run not walk away from it.

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News Item5/23/13 12:22 PM
It seemed so right  Find all comments by It seemed so right
Unlike Shakespeare's Queen Gertrude (Hamlet's mother), Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians and many Baptists never did "protest too much."

What good is a "Reformation" if it fails to keep its hundreds of millions of members from falling on their own swords?

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News Item5/23/13 11:34 AM
Thought Knox  Find all comments by Thought Knox
I think something very Romanist got into the bloodstream of Presbyterianism when it first came into being, and now they are reaping the rewards of having an unregenerate church covenant membership.
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News Item5/23/13 9:58 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I think something very Catholic got into the bloodstream of Presbyterianism when it first came into being, and now they are reaping the rewards of having an unregenerate church covenant membership.
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News Item5/23/13 8:41 AM
free falling  Find all comments by free falling
Of the preeminent Reformers, John Knox, laid the Presbyterian cornerstone, The Church of Scotland (c. 1560), which would always follow this motto:

"The Bible is the only infallible rule of faith and practice."

However, something very sexual got into the bloodstream of Presbyterianism in the past fifty years which, as of Tuesday, caused that venerable global institution to fall into irreparable and utter ruin.

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News Item5/23/13 7:58 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
The article: I know I sound like a broken record, but wow...this is all so astonishing and I never thought I'd see the day. Openly gay preachers, approved by the congregations, preaching the word of God in a church? The Bible is so very clear, throughout, that homosexuality is an abomination. How do these people get past this? How have they convinced themselves that it is really okay to be gay and be a bonafide Christian at the same time? Very strange that they feel this is okay and that they seem to have no fear of God almighty whatsoever. Strange, strange, strange, because of all people, they know what the Bible says concerning these things.
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News Item5/21/13 10:53 AM
Sayin  Find all comments by Sayin
SteveR wrote:
You make a make a valid case indeed Welor. However if we were to lump ALL the wickedness of all Protestant Churches into one organization(including fallen ones like Rev Sun Myong Moon where paedophilia is doctrine), then I would say its a horse race.
You'd like to think so but not even remotely near the truth.
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News Item5/21/13 10:00 AM
apostasy  Find all comments by apostasy
SteveR wrote:
Rev Sun Myong Moon
"When he [Moon] was around 10 years old, they converted to Christianity and joined the Presbyterian Church, where he taught Sunday school."
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