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Thousands of anti-gay protesters, including Orthodox priests, occupied a central street in Georgia's capital Friday, with some threatening to lash with stinging nettles any participant in a gay pride parade which was to take place there.

Police in Tbilisi guarded several dozen gay activists and bused them out of the city center shortly after they arrived at the gathering. Those occupying the street held posters reading "We don't need Sodom and Gomorrah!" and "Democracy does not equal immorality!"

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Thoughts  Find all comments by Thoughts
John UK wrote:
It's a very fair point Mike. The eunuch and his entourage would no doubt have had much water on board for their long trip home. Yet this was insufficient for what Philip obviously preached as mode of baptism, or they could have stopped anywhere for a sprinkle.
The way the Presbys speak, if you lacked all water, you have the option of spraying spit and this would still be a valid baptism!
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News Item5/25/13 8:37 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Amen, John. Simple is good.
Acts 8:35-39
"Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing."
One might suppose believer's baptism true from this alone. As well we note the eunuch, traveling in desert country, certainly carried a flask of water sufficient for sprinkling, should that have been the proper way of it.
It's a very fair point Mike. The eunuch and his entourage would no doubt have had much water on board for their long trip home. Yet this was insufficient for what Philip obviously preached as mode of baptism, or they could have stopped anywhere for a sprinkle.
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News Item5/25/13 7:46 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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There must be thousands of such references throughout scripture, where faith is recognised, and therefore those believers were baptised. This is why it is called "Believer's Baptism". You believe, and then you are baptised. It's simple enough for children to grasp.
Amen, John. Simple is good.

Acts 8:35-39
"Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing."

One might suppose believer's baptism true from this alone. As well we note the eunuch, traveling in desert country, certainly carried a flask of water sufficient for sprinkling, should that have been the proper way of it.

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News Item5/25/13 5:52 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John 3:14-15 KJV
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

It's not so hard to see who the elect are - they are the ones with eternal life. They have looked to Jesus, and are saved. They evidence spiritual life.

Paul had no problem with discerning proper candidates for baptism. Please note:

Romans 1:6 KJV
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

and

Romans 1:8 KJV
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 KJV
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

There must be thousands of such references throughout scripture, where faith is recognised, and therefore those believers were baptised. This is why it is called "Believer's Baptism". You believe, and then you are baptised. It's simple enough for children to grasp.

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News Item5/24/13 10:18 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
didactics wrote:
Freddie;
a. He did! This conversation is about your lack of english grammar comprehension, which apparently runs through the Baptist denomination.
b. Considering all the unsaved reprobates which the Baptist church dunks, thats a pretty strange question coming from you. As I have pointed out you Baptists really need to study election and Covenant.
c. Election is about those who were quote;
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will"
Now try and grasp this Freddie, election relates to a time "foundation of the world" BEFORE The Israel nation existed. And as Paul teaches election includes the Jews too in fact geography plays no part in election; - "that the purpose of God according to election might stand" Read Rom 9. PS; God is in charge and always has been sovereign - NOT baptism.
Here's some didactics for you....

Get you meds checked. They ain't cutting it.

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News Item5/24/13 5:08 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
didactics wrote:
Freddie;
...
b. Considering all the unsaved reprobates which the Baptist church dunks...
Lemme see if I get this correct from didactics. He(she) thinks you should baptize babies (who are CLEARLY unregenrate, (see Ephesians 2:3) and then criticizes the group who states that a person is baptized UPON profession of their faith. (see Romans 10:9) Who is baptizing the unsaved? All this because he(she) finds in the New Testament the command to baptize ANYONE as a covenant sign. (will wait for your reference) But if you can quote the Old Testament verse, if you have one, that states that baptism would replace circumcision, that will be fine too.
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News Item5/24/13 4:05 PM
didactics  Find all comments by didactics
Lurker wrote:
a. why do you suppose Kastens just didn't say that?
b. infant baptism assures absolutely nothing?
c. Not sure what the Jews who were broken off the olive tree ... have to do with Gentile election
Freddie;
a. He did! This conversation is about your lack of english grammar comprehension, which apparently runs through the Baptist denomination.
b. Considering all the unsaved reprobates which the Baptist church dunks, thats a pretty strange question coming from you. As I have pointed out you Baptists really need to study election and Covenant.
c. Election is about those who were quote;
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will"
Now try and grasp this Freddie, election relates to a time "foundation of the world" BEFORE The Israel nation existed. And as Paul teaches election includes the Jews too in fact geography plays no part in election; - "that the purpose of God according to election might stand" Read Rom 9. PS; God is in charge and always has been sovereign - NOT baptism.
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News Item5/24/13 1:05 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
It's astonishing. They seem to be all over the place. First they say that sprinkling guarantees the spiritual life, now they're saying it may or may not.
One thing is for sure, there is NO warrant in scripture to baptise the unregenerate and unbelieving. That is dishonouring to God, damaging to the baby's future understanding, and a denial of election. Should only the elect be baptised? Then why do they insist on baptising babies who may/may not be elect?
It would help their cause to get at the truth if they would have a better grasp of scripture, rather than their old documents of men. Why the refusal to be biblical and sola scriptura?
Somehow I missed your comment, John.

You made good points and asked good questions to which I have no answers. Inconsistency is not a mark of sound doctrine.

For me it always comes down to what, coming out of Geneva, people believe bears God's fingerprints..... the reformed doctrines or the free from the dictates of church and state vernacular bible.

. . .

Thanks, Frank, for your earlier comment.

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News Item5/23/13 3:51 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Mike wrote:
Hi Lurker, what do you think of my question on this, from the second paragraph from the link:
"Polycarp (69-155), a disciple of the Apostle John, was baptized as an infant. This enabled him to say at his martyrdom. "Eighty and six years have I served the Lord Christ" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 9: 3)."
Regardless of when he was baptised, this is saying it was baptism enabled him to serve, rather than conversion. Is there biblical evidence for this idea?
I read that too, Mike, but didn't ponder it. It sure sounds like Kastens is putting a spin of his likeing on what Polycarp said similar to what the Presbys have been doing to what Kastens said.

No, I'm not aware of any NC biblical warrant to place so much emphasis on water baptism. Paul said by the grace of God I am what I am and Christ had enabled Him by means of grace. But, then, you already knew that.

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News Item5/23/13 10:58 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Lurker wrote:
An interesting tidbit on Dennis Kastens who wrote the quote I posted earlier which the Presbys have been spinning to suit their agenda as though they alone are qualified to interpret what he meant.....
"Dennis Kastens is pastor of Peace Lutheran Church in St. Louis, Missouri."
source
I guess that can happen occasionally when cut and paste is your first line of defense.
Hi Lurker, what do you think of my question on this, from the second paragraph from the link:

"Polycarp (69-155), a disciple of the Apostle John, was baptized as an infant. This enabled him to say at his martyrdom. "Eighty and six years have I served the Lord Christ" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 9: 3)."

Regardless of when he was baptised, this is saying it was baptism enabled him to serve, rather than conversion. Is there biblical evidence for this idea?

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News Item5/23/13 10:13 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
An interesting tidbit on Dennis Kastens who wrote the quote I posted earlier which the Presbys have been spinning to suit their agenda as though they alone are qualified to interpret what he meant.....

"Dennis Kastens is pastor of Peace Lutheran Church in St. Louis, Missouri."

source

I guess that can happen occasionally when cut and paste is your first line of defense.

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News Item5/23/13 9:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
One has recently asked, "Maybe all Presbys are clones?"

Have you ever seen the manufacture of sausages?

I think there is a close parallel, especially with the quality of the stuff that's put into them.

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News Item5/23/13 8:04 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Huh?
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News Item5/23/13 4:24 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
AMEN!!! may we be like Job and esteem the word of the Lord more than our necessary food, because man does NOT live by bread along, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God! Thanks John, although he may have already retired for the night.
Amen indeed, brother!

Lurker wrote:
But let's set aside what he [Kastens] wrote and consider what you [bta] wrote.... "the future possibility that their child might be one of the elect." May I assume you are saying that infant baptism assures absolutely nothing?
It's astonishing. They seem to be all over the place. First they say that sprinkling guarantees the spiritual life, now they're saying it may or may not.

One thing is for sure, there is NO warrant in scripture to baptise the unregenerate and unbelieving. That is dishonouring to God, damaging to the baby's future understanding, and a denial of election. Should only the elect be baptised? Then why do they insist on baptising babies who may/may not be elect?

It would help their cause to get at the truth if they would have a better grasp of scripture, rather than their old documents of men. Why the refusal to be biblical and sola scriptura?

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News Item5/23/13 12:20 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
CV wrote:
After having used Kastens to establish sprinkling as historical, I can understand why paedos are stuck doing damage control instead of throwing the baby out with the dirty magic water.
If Kastens wasn't saying that sprinkling saves, his readers would have been convinced otherwise anyways. It gets better, for Kastens here exhorts the parents to HASTEN to do something now so that in the future this "may/maynot" have done anything.
Bettere yet, when Jesus says, "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly- John 10:10", perhaps he was merely expressing the POSSIBILITY. We may/maynot have life through JESUS, somewhat of a coin toss.
Quite so, CV.

It's a new adventure every time a Presby posts their proofs. As near as I can tell, the best thing they have going is an inordinate willingness to humiliate themselves.

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News Item5/22/13 11:31 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Lurker wrote:
Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration ..(Galatians 3: 27)."
Dennis Kastens
After having used Kastens to establish sprinkling as historical, I can understand why paedos are stuck doing damage control instead of throwing the baby out with the dirty magic water.

If Kastens wasn't saying that sprinkling saves, his readers would have been convinced otherwise anyways. It gets better, for Kastens here exhorts the parents to HASTEN to do something now so that in the future this "may/maynot" have done anything.

Bettere yet, when Jesus says, "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly- John 10:10", perhaps he was merely expressing the POSSIBILITY. We may/maynot have life through JESUS, somewhat of a coin toss.

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News Item5/22/13 9:24 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Bta wrote:
a. "may" in this context, indicates to the parents the future possibility that their child might be one of the elect.
So why do you suppose Kastens just didn't say that?

But let's set aside what he wrote and consider what you wrote.... "the future possibility that their child might be one of the elect." May I assume you are saying that infant baptism assures absolutely nothing?

Bta wrote:
b. "coin toss" - Election is like that for the seed of Covenanted parents, as Paul taught and God has ordained, - "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" Ro 9:6.
Not sure what the Jews who were broken off the olive tree (covenant of peace) have to do with Gentile election. Some sort of Presby members only secret?
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News Item5/22/13 6:13 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John UK wrote:
Hey I never even thought of that, Lurker. But there may even be a simpler explanation....They just don't bother reading the Bible. I was very fortunate in that when I was converted, I was encouraged to read scripture, and utilise books only as a support or help. I found the Bible so exciting to read, that I devoured it daily, and read it through many, many times. That was back in the days when I had the energy!
There is so much to learn from scripture, that even a lifetime of study would not complete the job. But what a quickening word God's word is!
AMEN!!! may we be like Job and esteem the word of the Lord more than our necessary food, because man does NOT live by bread along, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God! Thanks John, although he may have already retired for the night.
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News Item5/22/13 5:09 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
This may answer why the Presbys have so much difficulty exegeting scripture, John. They don't understand that the original autographs were written real slow.
Yall have a great day.
Hey I never even thought of that, Lurker. But there may even be a simpler explanation....They just don't bother reading the Bible. I was very fortunate in that when I was converted, I was encouraged to read scripture, and utilise books only as a support or help. I found the Bible so exciting to read, that I devoured it daily, and read it through many, many times. That was back in the days when I had the energy!

There is so much to learn from scripture, that even a lifetime of study would not complete the job. But what a quickening word God's word is!

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News Item5/22/13 1:35 PM
Prov26.5  Find all comments by Prov26.5
Bta wrote:
1. Freddie;
2. Remember that you Bapty's by your ceremony of so called "Believers baptism" are baptising unsaved reprobates too.
3. btw: I know you Bapty's reject Covenant - Do you also reject election?
4. Baptism is a sign of ingrafting into Christ. Are you one of these Anabaptists - TWO baptism chappies.
See WCF chapter 28 for the correct Biblical teaching John.
1. Who is Freddie?
2. This would only be true to the fool who thinks that believers are reprobates.
3. Lie. Baptists hold to the New Covenant, not the defunct Abrahamic covenant.
4. If Baptism is a sign of ingrafting it should only be applied to those who are ingrafted and not to those who prove to be reprobates! The WCF teaches error and should be rejected.
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