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THURSDAY, MAY 16, 2013  |  24 comments
IRS Official: We are "Close" to Auditing Churches Again

For some time now, the IRS has not been auditing churches. As I explained in more detail in this post, the IRS’ decision to “suspend” church audits stems from a 2009 federal court decision finding the IRS’ regulations on church audits to be unlawful. Since that decision, the IRS, to the best of anyone’s knowledge, has not been auditing any churches. It has said since 2009 that it is preparing new regulations that will enable it to begin auditing churches again, but we have not seen those regulations finalized.

However, at a recent tax conference, Treasury Attorney-Advisor Ruth Madrigal said that the IRS’ long-awaited rules on church audits are “close” to being finalized. So what does this mean for churches?

What this means is that once the IRS’ regulations on auditing churches are finalized, then it is logical to assume that the IRS will begin auditing churches again. Whether this means that the ...


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News Item5/21/13 11:53 AM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
Barry from KY wrote:
...As a matter of fact, the sheriff of our County may even show up for worship.
To worship who? His father the devil?
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News Item5/18/13 5:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Most of the church buildings of my home town are in residential areas, but not limited to them. They are everywhere from rural areas outside the city to center city areas. I live quite close to one, though it isn't the one I am part of due to it being liberal.
Thanks Mike. I too live within walking distance of several liberal churches, plus the RCC and a spiritualist church. All within residential areas.
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News Item5/18/13 5:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Ah Mike, there's that word zoning again. Let me see if I have it: a zone is for a set purpose, maybe industrial, maybe for maggot breeding, maybe for residential use, maybe for transmitting station? Then my question would be, do you find a church meeting in a residential zone? Or am I still off the mark? Maybe you have out of town churches?
Years ago in the UK, a parish church (anglican) would be the very centre of every village and town, part of its infrastructure and life.
Most of the church buildings of my home town are in residential areas, but not limited to them. They are everywhere from rural areas outside the city to center city areas. I live quite close to one, though it isn't the one I am part of due to it being liberal.
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News Item5/18/13 4:47 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Wouldn't like it at all. That's why there are zoning ordinances, so scrap yards and night clubs and gambling dens can't be set up next door. And one's personal residence isn't typically thought of as a building in the business sense.
Ah Mike, there's that word zoning again. Let me see if I have it: a zone is for a set purpose, maybe industrial, maybe for maggot breeding, maybe for residential use, maybe for transmitting station? Then my question would be, do you find a church meeting in a residential zone? Or am I still off the mark? Maybe you have out of town churches?

Years ago in the UK, a parish church (anglican) would be the very centre of every village and town, part of its infrastructure and life.

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News Item5/18/13 4:12 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Well Mike, if there were services which anyone could attend without an invitation, maybe advertised locally, then a lot of people could turn up. In my country, that could cause problems such as extra traffic, parking, noise etc. This is why planning consent must be sought for each use of a building. It makes sense actually. You wouldn't want a car scrap yard setting up next door to you, or a night club, or gambling den?
Wouldn't like it at all. That's why there are zoning ordinances, so scrap yards and night clubs and gambling dens can't be set up next door. And one's personal residence isn't typically thought of as a building in the business sense.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
What a good, sensible answer, John U.K.

Anyway, too many churches have forgotten The Truth Behind The Church's Purpose, and that's purpose isn't to be an arm of a political party.

I'm sure this has something to do with parking problems caused by home churches. I just haven't figured out what it is yet.
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News Item5/18/13 3:51 PM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
Jim Lincoln wrote:
What a good, sensible answer John U.K.
Anyway, too many churches have forgotten The Truth Behind The Church's Purpose, and that's purpose isn't to be an arm of a political party.
Amen to that Brother Jim, just think if the churches in America spent all their time on the gospel. that would be a much bigger impact on culture and society than trying to legislate morality, which NEVER works...
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News Item5/18/13 3:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John UK wrote:
Well Mike, if there were services which anyone could attend without an invitation, maybe advertised locally, then a lot of people could turn up. In my country, that could cause problems such as extra traffic, parking, noise etc. This is why planning consent must be sought for each use of a building. It makes sense actually. You wouldn't want a car scrap yard setting up next door to you, or a night club, or gambling den?
What a good, sensible answer John U.K.

Anyway, too many churches have forgotten The Truth Behind The Church's Purpose, and that's purpose isn't to be an arm of a political party.

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News Item5/18/13 10:38 AM
barry from ky | northern ky  Find all comments by barry from ky
Hey Mike, I don't think I would ever have a problem, I would never move in an organ or anything anyway. If it got loud or traffic became a hassle i could understand it causing a problem. I would never have to go before my city or county commissioners for re-zoning. I guess the jist is, I'm amazed at some of the regulations these cities put down. It would not fly here. atleast not right now anyway.
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News Item5/18/13 10:06 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
What would make Barry's private home meetings be redefined as public? If he hasn't gotten tax exemption as a church, there are no grounds for govt interference. Not that there is legal right to anyway, prohibited under the free exercise clause of the 1st Amend., as well as having the right to peaceably assemble.
Well Mike, if there were services which anyone could attend without an invitation, maybe advertised locally, then a lot of people could turn up. In my country, that could cause problems such as extra traffic, parking, noise etc. This is why planning consent must be sought for each use of a building. It makes sense actually. You wouldn't want a car scrap yard setting up next door to you, or a night club, or gambling den?
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News Item5/18/13 9:21 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Sounds good, Barry.
But it may be that if you held a public service, with preaching and singing and communion, you may find that there are laws to prevent such, even in KY.
What would make Barry's private home meetings be redefined as public? If he hasn't gotten tax exemption as a church, there are no grounds for govt interference. Not that there is legal right to anyway, prohibited under the free exercise clause of the 1st Amend., as well as having the right to peaceably assemble.
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News Item5/18/13 8:25 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
barry from ky wrote:
Wow, that sounds confusing. I was in germany for about 6 years, they really control the land there too. We are just a little more rural. Low population. We aren't really that regulated. yes, we typically have small group discussions in our home.
Sounds good, Barry.

But it may be that if you held a public service, with preaching and singing and communion, you may find that there are laws to prevent such, even in KY.

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News Item5/18/13 8:08 AM
barry from ky | northern ky  Find all comments by barry from ky
Wow, that sounds confusing. I was in germany for about 6 years, they really control the land there too. We are just a little more rural. Low population. We aren't really that regulated. yes, we typically have small group discussions in our home.
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News Item5/18/13 3:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Barry from KY wrote:
Hey John, I don't know where these guys live. In 'my old Kentucky home' I could literally have 20 or 30 people show up and it would be okay. We could meet regularly and it would be legal. I wouldn't have a problem. As a matter of fact, the sheriff of our County may even show up for worship.
That sounds really nice, Barry. I take it you do have meetings then? Do you take them?

In the UK, every building has a "use", and that must be adhered to. Premises used for business must have planning consent, and buildings used for public worship must have consent also. If a residential house was used regularly for worship, it would have to go through a "change of use" planning application. I think that is the law, but I'm not very up on the laws, as there are many EU laws I don't even know about.

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News Item5/17/13 6:56 PM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
John UK wrote:
Thanks for that, Christopher.
Looks like a meeting in the forest is called for, like John Bunyan and his pilgrims.
Hey John, I don't know where these guys live. In 'my old Kentucky home' I could literally have 20 or 30 people show up and it would be okay. We could meet regularly and it would be legal. I wouldn't have a problem. As a matter of fact, the sheriff of our County may even show up for worship.
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News Item5/16/13 3:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, John U.K., you're King Henry VIII, had the right idea, closed and sold off the Catholic monasteries and other Catholic holdings as well? Statues of Mortain He really helped the state finances.
Jim, there is a big difference between statues and statutes (of mortmain).
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News Item5/16/13 3:15 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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We have way too many organizations not paying their fair share of taxes, like Tea Party groups which are really political organizations. This is also true of both conservative and ----Liberal---- "churches." If they are going to be an arm of a political party they can pay taxes as well.
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The tea party movement is composed of taxpayers, Jim. Likewise churches. Interesting how you want them to fund incompetent left wingers by paying even more of "their fair share" to them. Did you learn that at independent school?
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News Item5/16/13 2:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, John U.K., you're King Henry VIII, had the right idea, closed and sold off the Catholic monasteries and other Catholic holdings as well? Statues of Mortain He really helped the state finances. We have way too many organizations not paying their fair share of taxes, like Tea Party groups which are really political organizations. This is also true of both conservative and ----Liberal---- "churches." If they are going to be an arm of a political party they can pay taxes as well. We here in the USA, still have problems with mortmain, q.v., The Perils of Popery.
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News Item5/16/13 2:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi John, in order to have a small church group meet at your home in the US, there are rules to follow. You either need to be zoned, or a permit is required...I forget which. The group can meet on the sly, but a homeowner advertised by posting signs for say, Thursday night Bible studies, an athiest neighbor didn't like the idea, called the town, and what do ya know...there are permit/zoning laws, rules/regulations for home Bible study groups to meet in a regular basis.
Thanks for that, Christopher.

Looks like a meeting in the forest is called for, like John Bunyan and his pilgrims.

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News Item5/16/13 1:35 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi John, in order to have a small church group meet at your home in the US, there are rules to follow. You either need to be zoned, or a permit is required...I forget which. The group can meet on the sly, but a homeowner advertised by posting signs for say, Thursday night Bible studies, an athiest neighbor didn't like the idea, called the town, and what do ya know...there are permit/zoning laws, rules/regulations for home Bible study groups to meet in a regular basis.
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News Item5/16/13 12:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Beechy wrote:
Yes, but houses are regulated too. And only "terrorists" would do such.
Houses are regulated? In what way? Do they not allow meetings of any sort in private houses in the USA?
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