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Choice News TUESDAY, MAY 14, 2013  |  92 comments
Poll: Many Protestant Pastors Lean Toward Young Earth Creation

A poll commissioned by evangelical Christian group BioLogos found that pastors hold a variety of views when it comes to the origin of life and science, though Young Earth Creation remains the most popular theory.

The survey was conducted in 2012 by the Barna Group, which asked 743 Protestant pastors from churches across various Christian denominations in the U.S. to share their origin of life views. While BioLogos asked a variety of questions and is putting together a comprehensive, in-depth report in the coming months, the group released last week some key findings.

"The numbers varied widely based on a number of factors, however. Pastors of mainline churches were most likely to accept Theistic Evolution, while non-Mainline, Charismatic, and Southern Baptist pastors were overwhelmingly Young Earth Creationists. Pastors of larger churches were also more likely to accept Theistic Evolution," ...


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SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Mike wrote:
Maybe a clue is here:
Romans 1:19
"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."
"is manifest in them" means is made evident at the heart level.(No, this does not mean the blood pump)
A question remaining might be how does he make it evident? But there is no question of whether he not he makes it evident.
The Canons of Dort has a good section relating to Human Corruption & our conversion to God. Some good quotes

Article 4: The Inadequacy of the Light of Nature

"light of nature is far from enabling man to come to a saving knowledge of God and conversion to him--so far, in fact, that man does not use it rightly even in matters of nature and society. Instead, in various ways he completely distorts this light, whatever its precise character, and suppresses it in unrighteousness. In doing so he renders himself without excuse before God."

Article 5: The Inadequacy of the Law
"what is true of the light of nature is true also of the Law"

Article 6: The Saving Power of the Gospel

"What, therefore, neither the light of nature nor the law can do, God accomplishes by the power of the Holy Spirit,"

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News Item5/18/13 8:44 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Christopher000 wrote:
Oh, yes. .good verse, Lurker. "...return to God who gave it." Hmmm...Interesting. So, we were in Heaven to begin with...we've already been there? Maybe we had a consciousness while there but just don't remember? If going to Heaven means going home, then wouldn't we have had to have come from there to begin with? Interesting.
To get this verse, think of Jesus on the cross.... "Father, receive my spirit." God is spirit. Yet, Jesus' soul endured the pangs of the grave remaining with His body.

For Christisns, the verse is speaking of the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, sent from the Father.

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News Item5/18/13 8:28 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Oh, yes. .good verse, Lurker. "...return to God who gave it." Hmmm...Interesting. So, we were in Heaven to begin with...we've already been there? Maybe we had a consciousness while there but just don't remember? If going to Heaven means going home, then wouldn't we have had to have come from there to begin with? Interesting.
Wow, that's worthy of The Post Of The Month Award!

Great stuff!

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News Item5/18/13 8:23 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Oh, yes. .good verse, Lurker. "...return to God who gave it." Hmmm...Interesting. So, we were in Heaven to begin with...we've already been there? Maybe we had a consciousness while there but just don't remember? If going to Heaven means going home, then wouldn't we have had to have come from there to begin with? Interesting.
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News Item5/17/13 11:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Isa 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls [which] I have made.
Useful scriptures bro. Nice one.
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News Item5/17/13 9:43 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Christopher000 wrote:
...if DNA has nothing to do with the creation of our invisible spirits, then God must create them and personally place them into the physical body at some point. Unless He has angels do it but I would think He would do it personally. Maybe.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Isa 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls [which] I have made.

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News Item5/17/13 9:30 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Marty wrote:
Michael,
I didn't mean education in such a broad sense, but rather that you listen to the lecture by presuppostionalist John W Robbins
Marty
Thanks for the post back.
AND if I have time I will be happy to listen to his sermon (I am soon, God willing, to start a new job and have much to do to get ready for orientation).

Still knowing my own testimony and how God worked in my life to make Himself real to me Voddie Baucham's explanation of why he chooses to believe the Bible, which in his testimony of having no idea at all of what Christianity was all about, was absolutely essential in Him coming to saving faith in Christ.

Which he talks about in: Why I Choose to Believe the Bible.

Got to run, bye.

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News Item5/17/13 9:12 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks John...I really didn't expect much as far as answers, I guess. I am curious to hear others thoughts on this though. Really thought provoking when you spend some time thinking hard about it and it's fun to imagine the different scenarios...and maddening. I guess I would agree with you in that everything happens at conception. I was wondering if God does it Himself because He knows us so personally/intimately. Like a parent, I thought maybe he would choose to put the life into out bodies. Thanks for your comment.
Don't give yourself a headache, Chris. You'll be asking where the eternal Great Spirit came from next.
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News Item5/17/13 9:07 AM
Marty | USA  Find all comments by Marty
Michael,

I didn't mean education in such a broad sense, but rather that you listen to the lecture by presuppostionalist John W Robbins

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News Item5/17/13 8:36 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Michael...got your email and will get back to you...thanks!
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News Item5/17/13 8:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Maybe a clue is here:
Romans 1:19
"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."
"is manifest in them" means is made evident at the heart level.(No, this does not mean the blood pump)
A question remaining might be how does he make it evident? But there is no question of whether he not he makes it evident. At the biblical level, it simply says he makes it so. I don't see an exception for the blind or deaf here.
Great points Mike. I spotted that myself, and very nearly posted about it. The words "in them" certainly means "inside them", and not hindered by any physical defect.
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News Item5/17/13 8:08 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Marty wrote:
Educate yourselves
Marty
IMHO for those of us who are burdened in the area of evangelism there are many areas in our faith we seek to grow up in.
For example:
Our devotional life
Our praying life
Spiritual Warfare and Intercession
Service and Compassion for others
Our knowledge of the Bible, Bible Prophecy and Doctrine (and the living of it out in our lives) and Scriptural Memorization
AND so much more

And IMHO I agree with Voddie Baucham that foundational to our apologetics, or witness and gospel preaching if you will is knowing:

Dr. Voddie Baucham - Why I Choose To Believe The Bible

Why I Choose to Believe the Bible

Proverbs 22:17-21

Something I so wish all of us would be so well (quote) educated in that it would overflow into the working out our own salvation in fear and trembling DEMONSTRATING it is God Almighty Himself who is indeed at work in us both to will and do according to His good pleasure and purpose.

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News Item5/17/13 7:48 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Maybe a clue is here:
Romans 1:19
"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."

"is manifest in them" means is made evident at the heart level.(No, this does not mean the blood pump)

A question remaining might be how does he make it evident? But there is no question of whether he not he makes it evident. At the biblical level, it simply says he makes it so. I don't see an exception for the blind or deaf here.

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News Item5/17/13 7:26 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks John...I really didn't expect much as far as answers, I guess. I am curious to hear others thoughts on this though. Really thought provoking when you spend some time thinking hard about it and it's fun to imagine the different scenarios...and maddening. I guess I would agree with you in that everything happens at conception. I was wondering if God does it Himself because He knows us so personally/intimately. Like a parent, I thought maybe he would choose to put the life into out bodies. Thanks for your comment.
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News Item5/17/13 7:07 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Ha-ha...I thought my posts may have been a bit too much to tackle...
Morning Christopher
You concluded your earlier post with "Hmmmmm."

I couldn't disagree with that, and because there is no scripture to assist with the questions, I declined to comment.

But if you want an opinion, I believe that God gives the spirit at conception; that is, he creates the spirit and plants it. By the hand of an angel? Could be. It is a question which can never get an answer, only speculation. One thing we know, a baby has a body, soul, and spirit.

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News Item5/17/13 6:59 AM
Marty | usa  Find all comments by Marty
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11180514494

Educate yourselves

Michael Hranek wrote:
Neil
Unless God in His sovereignty deprives an individual of all his/her physical senses (hearing, touch, taste, smell) they will still have a preception of the physical world. It may be limited but that along with the conscience God gives us IMHO in the grace of God sufficient to know that a Creator who they are accountable to exists.
Just a brief comment here:
A preacher named Chuck Misler has made an observation about Albert Einstein who was not a Christian, that Einstein saw so much wonder in the Universe (the Creation of God) that when it came to preachers they weren't speaking of the real thing when it came to God
In the attitude of despising not prophecying but examining everthing carefully and to hold fast to that which is good - Please do that and hold fast to what is good in:
How Great is Our God: with Louie Giglio
In my opinion what this man shares if wonderfully humblying when we think of Yahweh, the Triune Almighty Creator who sent Christ to die for us
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News Item5/17/13 6:57 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
...if DNA has nothing to do with the creation of our invisible spirits, then God must create them and personally place them into the physical body at some point. Unless He has angels do it but I would think He would do it personally. Maybe.
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News Item5/17/13 6:54 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ha-ha...I thought my posts may have been a bit too much to tackle, but first...
Interesting conversation about the blind since they can't see the witness of creation. I guess they would still think to themselves though, "were did we come from?...even though I can't see it, how did all of this stuff get here, etc. What I wonder more about are the blind AND deaf, the mentally challanged, and those who have suffered brain injuries which almost always make people aggressive and mean. I always wonder how complications like these are sorted out.
So, let me shorten up my posts with some questions that I always wonder about: Our spirit (the real, eternal "us"...created before or at conception? Created and placed into the body at first breath? Created along with the physical parts by the DNA that science can't find a use for?
Does the Bible say whether or not our spirits have always been somewhere just waiting for a body or when/how they are created? I believe a baby goes to Heaven if he/she dies so the spirit must be created or placed within at conception or while in the womb at some point. I know this post doesn't sound all that intelligent but I'm trying to compress a lot into a few lines.
If DNA has nothing to do with creating our invisible spirits, then God Himself mus
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News Item5/17/13 6:21 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Neil wrote:
You ignored my question, so I'll repeat & rephrase it: How is a deaf & blind person supposed to learn about God when he can't even see the creation which requires functional vision to perceive & appreciate?
Neil
Unless God in His sovereignty deprives an individual of all his/her physical senses (hearing, touch, taste, smell) they will still have a preception of the physical world. It may be limited but that along with the conscience God gives us IMHO in the grace of God sufficient to know that a Creator who they are accountable to exists.

Just a brief comment here:
A preacher named Chuck Misler has made an observation about Albert Einstein who was not a Christian, that Einstein saw so much wonder in the Universe (the Creation of God) that when it came to preachers they weren't speaking of the real thing when it came to God

In the attitude of despising not prophecying but examining everthing carefully and to hold fast to that which is good - Please do that and hold fast to what is good in:
How Great is Our God: with Louie Giglio

In my opinion what this man shares if wonderfully humblying when we think of Yahweh, the Triune Almighty Creator who sent Christ to die for us

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News Item5/17/13 6:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Romans 1:20 KJV
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

And then again, I suppose the Great Spirit can do anything and everything he wants, except manifest the revelation of his eternal power to a deaf, dumb and blind kid.

Of course, in Jesus day, the deaf, dumb and blind kids were all healed by the Lord. They could then hear him preach, speak to him, and see his miracles. Some say that the miracles were performed to show to the world that the incarnate God was in their midst, and to fulfill prophecy.

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