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FRIDAY, MAY 10, 2013  |  84 comments
When Christians become a 'hated minority'
When Peter Sprigg speaks publicly about his opposition to homosexuality, something odd often happens.

During his speeches, people raise their hands to challenge his assertions that the Bible condemns homosexuality, but no Christians speak out to defend him.

“But after it is over, they will come over to talk to me and whisper in my ear, ‘I agree with everything you said,’" says Sprigg, a spokesman for The Family Research Council, a powerful, conservative Christian lobbying group.

We’ve heard of the “down-low” gay person who keeps his or her sexual identity secret for fear of public scorn. But Sprigg and other evangelicals say changing attitudes toward homosexuality have created a new victim: closeted Christians who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality but will not say so publicly for fear of being labeled a hateful bigot. ...


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News Item5/16/13 10:46 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Observer wrote:
Hey Bro Lurker, if you see this can you please email me again?
My email account was hacked
Managed to recover the account after a whole day of trying but all my emails and contacts have been deleted.
So would appreciate it if you were able to email to me again. Thanks.
Done.
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News Item5/16/13 9:37 AM
Observer  Contact via emailFind all comments by Observer
Lurker wrote:
I wanted to take a moment to reply to this statement. I presume you wrote this in response to my quote of Isaiah 52:7 "Thy God reigneth!"..
Hey Bro Lurker, if you see this can you please email me again?

My email account was hacked

Managed to recover the account after a whole day of trying but all my emails and contacts have been deleted.

So would appreciate it if you were able to email to me again. Thanks.

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News Item5/15/13 7:14 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Steve and Observer.
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News Item5/14/13 3:39 PM
Laugh a minute  Find all comments by Laugh a minute
Wharton wrote:
The "Remnant" are the hated minority they are even hated by the nominal Christians. If you are acceptable to the worldly societies we live in then you will not be hated. The "hated minority" is the Presbyterian Calvinist Church which sticks to Sola Scriptura.

I bet Observer will have something to say about this.

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News Item5/14/13 3:25 PM
Wharton  Find all comments by Wharton
The "Remnant" are the hated minority they are even hated by the nominal Christians. If you are acceptable to the worldly societies we live in then you will not be hated. The "hated minority" is the Presbyterian Calvinist Church which sticks to Sola Scriptura.
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News Item5/14/13 1:58 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
A lot of people have problems with the idea of Kingdom of God.

How the Church Relates to the Kingdom needs to be considered when you consider The Universal Kingdom of God. Some forget that Israel & the Church Remain Distinct.

When one ponders on the Sermon on the Mount, one has to think about the
The Way of the Saved Minority

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News Item5/14/13 10:37 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
jpw wrote:
Christ taught on the Kingdom of God all the time, one of the main reasons he was crucified!
They wanted a militant leader of the land.
He came as a suffering servant to die for their sins.
In other words.... their problem was not Rome but the sin within.
That is why it is the humble of heart who will see God (see Sermon on the Mount)
Exactly, our enemies were Sin & Death not Imperial rulers. Sin and Death are still the main enemies for the unsaved today, which makes the Social Gospel the present day quasiequivalent to the false gospel of the jewish zealots like barabbas of 2000 yrs ago.
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News Item5/14/13 10:30 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Christ taught on the Kingdom of God all the time, one of the main reasons he was crucified!

They wanted a militant leader of the land.

He came as a suffering servant to die for their sins.

In other words.... their problem was not Rome but the sin within.

That is why it is the humble of heart who will see God (see Sermon on the Mount)

I would presume that anyone who is indwelled by the Holy Spirit and reads the words and teachings of Christ will get a strong understanding of the Kingdom of God.

"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17: 20-21

Jesus here has once again given the time and place of the Kingdom.

There is also his reign in heaven amongst the Saints.

And I might add... the coming New Heaven and Earth.

We also experience here the kingdom of darkness, but the gospel is the light of the world.

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News Item5/14/13 10:29 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
On the 30, 60, 100 fold I still believe that is dependent on our use of the means of grace God has given us. (Philippians 2:12,13
Thanks for the input, US.
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News Item5/14/13 10:06 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
First of all thank you to Luker for his kind and encouraging remarks. I also fully agree with the spirit of your last paragraph, I believe we both would say even so come quickly Lord Jesus.

CDA you are jumping, sir, from one Scripture to another to prove your point. You started in a post with the contention that there is no man or devil that knows the hour of His return, the only two verses that use that terminology are Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32. Neither of them speak of the judgment. But when you come back to comment on it you use Matthew 16:27 and John 5:26-29. I was addressing what you had stated. In those verses in your latest post there is no hint, as you correctly state, of a 1000 year period, but there is in Revelation 20. As I stated, I don't need multiple sources in Scripture if it is found once. What you cannot prove brother is that the 1000 years is NOT to be taken literally. Especially in light of the fact that you would take all the verses that surround it as literal. You may not see it as literal, and we can say we agree to disagree on the point. But I thank you for your input in the matter.

On the 30, 60, 100 fold I still believe that is dependent on our use of the means of grace God has given us. (Philippians 2:12,13

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News Item5/14/13 9:23 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Christopher000 wrote:
..So, Christ is reigning on Earth right now? ..
Col 1.13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son

But we're all translated into limbo land cuz his kingdom has not come yet

1 Cor 15.21-27
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet.

Note well the order here.

Chris the firstfruits
Then they which are Christ's
Then Christ delivers up the kingdom to the Father
Which is the end

The passage indicates he comes, raises his own and then delivers up. So, if Christ doesn't yet have a kingdom, what's he going to deliver up to the Father?

John UK

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News Item5/14/13 9:16 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
I am not sure that I understand John.
If the fruit is more converts due to our witness (which as I said in my last post doesn't sit well with the context of that parable), then what shall we make of the Lord's statement that the last days will be like the days of Noah? IOW that the witness of the people of God will bear very little, if any, fruit.
I stay with my original understanding, and agree that we may be as godly as we choose. This is repeatedly the message of the NT, that people were not living worthy of their calling!
That's fine, bro, I am still trying to get my head round it. But I always thought that thirtyfold was thirty times the original. But hey, thanks for the comments - it all helps!

As for Christ's current reign:
1 Corinthians 15:23-25 KJV
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

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News Item5/14/13 9:02 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
Bro, it is for this very reason that i am thinking as I am. The soil was "good" for all three, but one bore 30, one 60 and one 100. Now if the theologian is correct, who stated that a man is as godly as he wishes to be, then these three examples shows that someone was not pulling his weight. But if the fruit was more of the same, depending entirely on God's sovereign will, then that would make more sense, because it is only God that can give the increase, and different Christians will see different effects in their witnessing.
It is a concern, because if it is "more of the same", it behoves us to be looking for far more fruit individually than seems to be the norm.
I am not sure that I understand John.

If the fruit is more converts due to our witness (which as I said in my last post doesn't sit well with the context of that parable), then what shall we make of the Lord's statement that the last days will be like the days of Noah? IOW that the witness of the people of God will bear very little, if any, fruit.

I stay with my original understanding, and agree that we may be as godly as we choose. This is repeatedly the message of the NT, that people were not living worthy of their calling!

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News Item5/14/13 9:00 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Christopher000 wrote:
So, Christ is reigning on Earth right now? The Bible says His feet would touch the Mount of Olives beforehand, He would execute justice and judgement, there would be dramatic Earthly changes, etc, etc. During the millenium, Satan is chained, etc. Also, if Christ is reigning now, wouldn't the tribulation have had to have transpired?
I'm just thinking out loud...I'm sure you all are tired of the conversation by now. I'll figure it all out in time.
I hope nobody is tired of the conversation Chris, and its one of the better ones Ive seen on SA. The fact you are edified by should only encourage others. To answer what you have asked just look at a calendar & you know that Christ reigns from heaven. AD stands for the Latin phrase Anno Domini meaning Year of the Lord, and its(approx) the 2013th year of this reign.
per the Apostles Creed
"and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty"

per Scripture
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

After the full number of the ELECT come to faith, then the LAST DAY will occur.

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News Item5/14/13 8:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
The parable is about what the WORD cast abroad achieves in the different sorts of ground. There is no suggestion in the parable that this simple concept is being extended to one's ability to multiply, which would be moving away from what the WORD achieves to how the Lord may be pleased to bless our witness!
"More new creatures" are not dependent on us, but upon the WORD and God's sovereign pleasure.
Bro, it is for this very reason that i am thinking as I am. The soil was "good" for all three, but one bore 30, one 60 and one 100. Now if the theologian is correct, who stated that a man is as godly as he wishes to be, then these three examples shows that someone was not pulling his weight. But if the fruit was more of the same, depending entirely on God's sovereign will, then that would make more sense, because it is only God that can give the increase, and different Christians will see different effects in their witnessing.

It is a concern, because if it is "more of the same", it behoves us to be looking for far more fruit individually than seems to be the norm.

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News Item5/14/13 8:52 AM
CDA  Find all comments by CDA
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
..I don't find that anywhere in the passages that no man knows the hour of Christ's second coming that it is TO JUDGE all creation at that time, it does not say that, it is your reading that into the context....
Matt. 16:27: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then shall he render unto every man according to his deeds."

John 5:26-29. "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Simply put, THE HOUR that Christ returns for the second time, the resurrection and judgement follow!

There is certainly no hint here of a 1000 year period between the resurrection of the good and evil.

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News Item5/14/13 8:07 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I think I would have to have some sort of an epiphany in order to take the millenium as anything other than literal. I know Christ didn't write His name on my heart with a sharpie marker (dedicated to JPW); realizing that there are indeed allegories, symbolism, and similitudes in the Bible. What concerns me is what John said about having to change parts of the gospel in order to make the literal fit. Don't be angry, I appreciate the discussions and I'm open.
So, Christ is reigning on Earth right now? The Bible says His feet would touch the Mount of Olives beforehand, He would execute justice and judgement, there would be dramatic Earthly changes, etc, etc. During the millenium, Satan is chained, etc. Also, if Christ is reigning now, wouldn't the tribulation have had to have transpired?
I'm just thinking out loud...I'm sure you all are tired of the conversation by now. I'll figure it all out in time.
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News Item5/14/13 7:54 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
.......Why not for the fruit more new creatures?
Sure John, have you not not seen people with different degrees of knowledge, grace and works? Some have more graces than others, some are full of good works etc.

The parable is about what the WORD cast abroad achieves in the different sorts of ground. There is no suggestion in the parable that this simple concept is being extended to one's ability to multiply, which would be moving away from what the WORD achieves to how the Lord may be pleased to bless our witness!

"More new creatures" are not dependent on us, but upon the WORD and God's sovereign pleasure.

I think you are over working the parable!

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News Item5/14/13 7:32 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Ha! So you think I can have thirtyfold fruit of love, joy, peace et al, and you can have sixtyfold fruit, and someone else an hundredfold fruit?

Yep, I sure agree we are bearing the fruit of the Spirit, which is the evidence of his indwelling, but I wonder about the way this is quantified. It just don't seem to fit somehow.

The seed is the word, and it produces a new creature. Why not for the fruit more new creatures?

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News Item5/14/13 7:21 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
.. Could it be you had it right in the first place? After all, if you plant a potato in the ground, you end up with about ten potatoes - that is the fruit.
I'm still working on it BTW....
Romans 6.16-

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. ****What fruit had ye then****** in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, *****ye have your fruit unto holiness*****, and the end everlasting life.

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