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SUNDAY, MAY 5, 2013  |  89 comments  |  1 commentary
Israeli Airstrike in Syria Targeted Missiles From Iran
The airstrike that Israeli warplanes carried out in Syria was directed at a shipment of advanced surface-to-surface missiles from Iran that Israel believed was intended for Hezbollah, the militant Lebanese organization, American officials said Saturday.

It was the second time in four months that Israel had carried out an attack in foreign territory intended to disrupt the pipeline of weapons from Iran to Hezbollah, and the raid was a vivid example of how regional adversaries are looking after their own interests as Syria becomes more chaotic.

Iran and Hezbollah have both backed President Bashar al-Assad in the Syrian civil war, now in its third year. But as fighting in Syria escalates, they also have a powerful stake in expediting the delivery of advanced weapons to Hezbollah in case Mr. Assad loses his grip on power. ...


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News Item5/12/13 5:45 PM
Helps | UK  Find all comments by Helps
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks a lot, Helps. I will check it out today...
Hi Chris

If you want to get straight into the issue of literalism in prophecy start reading from page 93. You might otherwise get bogged down.

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News Item5/12/13 7:33 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks a lot, Helps. I will check it out today.

Oh, JPW...thanks, but not at all necessary. I may have sounded matter of fact, but wasn't angry or anything. Keep joking around because I like that side of you and it's good to take a break from the serious sometimes.
Look, I know there are those here who would like to shake me while saying, "wake up!" I know some are frustrated but I am as well. Well, I guess more curious than frustrated. The problem is that a black and white case can't be made so as I read and learn, I'm sure things will become more clear. Right now, I just read the passages and see a real, tangible, bonafide event occuring that's difficult to break free from because it's so descriptive. Time will tell as I study these things...

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News Item5/11/13 2:55 PM
Helps | UK  Find all comments by Helps
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks Helps. I tries to search for it myself but the only free, downloadable book I found written by him is "The typology of scripture".
I'd def be interested in checking out the one you mentioned.
Here is the download link to the Fairbairn work:

Fairbairn on Prophecy

Hope this works.

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News Item5/11/13 9:30 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
I'm truly sorry Christopher for offending! I was trying to make a joke and failed, the humor was not aimed at you but the irony of taking something literal that was meant to give reality to something spiritual and greater.
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News Item5/11/13 8:20 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I just think Christians should keep an open mind when it comes to topics that neither side can prove. Whether it be this topic or others, some people are so matter if fact; basically stating that anyone who doesn't agree with their particular view is in darkness, suffering from faulty teaching or interpretation. I don't know...my mind is always open and I think that's the way it should be.
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News Item5/11/13 7:22 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
JPW Wrote:
and Christopher -- you never got back to me on my question..... when the Messiah wrote the Covenant on your heart, did He use a sharpie marker? (was that before or after he knocked at your front door?)

I didn't get back to you because I assumed that this is sarcastic rhetoric that you really didn't expect me to respond to. We all know the answer, short of cracking my chest open to take a look for a scribble somewhere on my beating heart. Obvious symbolism is just that...obvious. I just don't think that's a good example when put up against one that reads much different, is open for argument, and one that the majority read as literal. Why am I the board idiot when neither side can prove their case? Why am I the fool when the majority or believers view the millenium as a tangible, future event?

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News Item5/10/13 8:11 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Lisa wrote:
Regarding the comments about literalism etc, just a thought...we don't study the bible to become more knowledgable, but to know him better....just a thought.
You can know him, without correctly understanding his word?

And you can get to know him without being more knowledgable?!

Just askin!

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News Item5/10/13 2:46 PM
Lisa | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lisa
So Jim if I reframe your comment....we study scripture in order to teach, rebuke, correct and train others ????

Could it be that most would study scripture in order to know him better. To experience the joy of being in the fathers heart and wrapped in his love. To receive his advice and support when being attacked by the world. I don't think I have ever considered studying scripture in order to rebuke others.....interesting.

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News Item5/10/13 1:55 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Lisa, I absolutely love your last comment!

and Christopher -- you never got back to me on my question..... when the Messiah wrote the Covenant on your heart, did He use a sharpie marker? (was that before or after he knocked at your front door?)

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News Item5/10/13 1:43 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Lisa,

2 Timothy
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.---NASB

Principles of Bible Interpretation from the summary of this sermon,

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
The Bible is God's communication to man concerning who He is, how sinful man can be in a personal relationship with Him and how to live in that relationship.

This communication is perfect, as God is perfect and unchanging in its truthfulness and relevance because God who spoke it is truthful and unchanging.

The challenge for us is to approach the Bible to learn and study what it says without reading into it what we want it to say. There are certain principles that can be applied that will allow us to rightly divide the Word and understand what God has said, and what He meant when He inspired the men who wrote it down. The basic rules of interpretation discussed follow the literal, grammatical, historical hermeneutic.

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News Item5/10/13 1:37 PM
Lisa | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lisa
That's was really something Steve - Thankyou it blessed me xxx
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News Item5/10/13 1:10 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Lisa wrote:
Regarding the comments about literalism etc, just a thought...we don't study the bible to become more knowledgable, but to know him better....just a thought.
Scripture is like a love letter sent from the battlefront during a time of war. To the addressed special loved ones its as you say. To enemy its bits and pieces of information to abuse in the war against those special people
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News Item5/10/13 1:05 PM
Lisa | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lisa
Regarding the comments about literalism etc, just a thought...we don't study the bible to become more knowledgable, but to know him better....just a thought.
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News Item5/10/13 12:21 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
We are called to make distinction in the sounds we hear, bro. Perhaps this is not limited to musical sounds?
It is good Jesus spoke hyperbole to adults. Adults, being slow, sometimes need shaking up. Children didn't need his shaking up, and he gave it not to them. They believed what he said.
Mike, I'm just glad that when Jesus baptised me with the Holy Spirit and with Fire, I didn't need to call the Fire Brigade nor look for an extinguisher.
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News Item5/10/13 10:55 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Mike wrote:
.....When there is a theology to be defended, literal interpretation may get in the way of it, so it must be "adjusted" to comply. Best way to do that is deny, ridicule the literal, and symbolize the offending passages. That's not likely what children would do, but they aren't as sophisticated as adults.
Yes Chris think of the childish response of Nicodemus when our Lord said you must be born again!

His literalism was ridiculed - He a master in Israel could not understand this spiritual truth! All he could think of was how can that happen literally! (that's how all the Jews thought!)

Contrary to Mike's advice we are to be men in understanding 1Cor 13.11. and don't forget that the Hebrews were chided for still needing milk instead of the meat of the Word. Heb 5.12,13

Even Peter said that in Paul's writings there are things that are hard to understand.

Think about it, the Word of God is God's mind!! We will struggle to understand parts of it but it don't mean we have to return to infantile ways of thinking!! Infantile believing sure, but not thinking!

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News Item5/10/13 10:51 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
I've been wondering why there are so many one-handed, one-eyed devout Jewish children, Mike. I reckon you've hit it!
We are called to make distinction in the sounds we hear, bro. Perhaps this is not limited to musical sounds?

It is good Jesus spoke hyperbole to adults. Adults, being slow, sometimes need shaking up. Children didn't need his shaking up, and he gave it not to them. They believed what he said.

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News Item5/10/13 9:54 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
jpw wrote:
I remember an article posted months ago, before this movement began
that defined who these rebels were, when they would enter the country, who funded them, and who armed them.
The american public was privy to this information, even in mainstream media (although not covered by all).....
I felt sorrow seeing what was to come and then watching it come....
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's going on.
so the issue we face here in the west is this:
1 - lost love of the brethren
2 - too much flouride in the water causing memory loss
(for literalists, the "flouride" comment was a literary device called "sarcasm", although for a literal reading, there are ways to detox)
"1 - lost love of the brethren"

Amen jpw, its stunning how we have forgotten our brethren in Syria

"2 - too much flouride in the water causing memory loss"

You have to know them to forget. That flouride doesnt inhibit memory of Tebows victory over the Bears and lamentations of his 'persecution' by the NFL. Poor guy might resort to writing books for a few million per hardcover.

*I dont mean to ridicule a fellow Christian, just pointing out how vain WE have become

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News Item5/10/13 9:42 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Best way to do that is deny, ridicule the literal, and symbolize the offending passages. That's not likely what children would do, but they aren't as sophisticated as adults.
I've been wondering why there are so many one-handed, one-eyed devout Jewish children, Mike. I reckon you've hit it!
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News Item5/10/13 9:11 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Christopher000 wrote:
...I just don't know why everything shouldn't be taken as literal to start and work our way down from there to the obvious when apparent.
What do I know though...I'll keep reading.
Excellent!

Chris, you might ask yourself why Jesus said:

Matthew 18:3
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Then ask "What does it mean to become as little children"? Apply your answer to a literal vs the symbolic/allegorical meaning of what Jesus might say to them. Do you think they as children, would believe the words he spoke in the manner in which he spoke them, or would they have to become as adults so they might find "deeper" spiritual meaning?

When there is a theology to be defended, literal interpretation may get in the way of it, so it must be "adjusted" to comply. Best way to do that is deny, ridicule the literal, and symbolize the offending passages. That's not likely what children would do, but they aren't as sophisticated as adults.

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News Item5/10/13 8:25 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Helps. I tries to search for it myself but the only free, downloadable book I found written by him is "The typology of scripture".

I'd def be interested in checking out the one you mentioned.

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