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SATURDAY, MAY 4, 2013  |  121 comments
Suicide Rates Rise Sharply in U.S.
Suicide rates among middle-aged Americans have risen sharply in the past decade, prompting concern that a generation of baby boomers who have faced years of economic worry and easy access to prescription painkillers may be particularly vulnerable to self-inflicted harm.

More people now die of suicide than in car accidents, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which published the findings in Friday’s issue of its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. In 2010 there were 33,687 deaths from motor vehicle crashes and 38,364 suicides.

Suicide has typically been viewed as a problem of teenagers and the elderly, and the surge in suicide rates among middle-aged Americans is surprising. ...


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News Item5/10/13 5:52 PM
wow  Find all comments by wow
John Yurich USA wrote:
No, I accept the entirety of the Heidelberg Catechism. I also accept Luther...
'It was early received in the Netherlands, and formally adopted at the Synod of Dort, 1618. Long and bitter controversies with Roman Catholics and Lutherans on the Catechism only endeared it the more to the Reformed. It is to this day an authoritative confession for the Reformed churches (German and Dutch). The (Dutch) Reformed Church directs all her ministers to explain the Catechism regularly before the congregations on the Sabbath day.'
The catechism here

Surprised Mr Yurich has kept his allegiance to the Reformed Faith so quiet? How many of these Reformed sermons on SA has he listened too?

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The above Luther Bible teaching is your own John Yurich

Astonishing-wow!

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News Item5/10/13 5:24 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mike wrote:
Just the biblical parts, right?
No, I accept the entirety of the Heidelberg Catechism. I also accept Luther's Small and Large Catechisms.
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News Item5/10/13 5:07 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
I accept the Heidelberg Catechism.
Just the biblical parts, right?
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News Item5/10/13 4:28 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
HbC wrote:
Heidelberg Catechism.
Q74. Are infants also to be baptized?
Answer: Yes: for since they, as well as the adult, are included in the covenant and church of God; and since redemption from sin by the blood of Christ, and the Holy Ghost, the author of faith, is promised to them no less than to the adult; they must therefore by baptism, as a sign of the covenant, be also admitted into the christian church; and be distinguished from the children of unbelievers as was done in the old covenant or testament by circumcision, instead of which baptism is instituted in the new covenant."
I accept the Heidelberg Catechism.
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News Item5/10/13 3:35 PM
HbC  Find all comments by HbC
Heidelberg Catechism.
Q74. Are infants also to be baptized?

Answer: Yes: for since they, as well as the adult, are included in the covenant and church of God; and since redemption from sin by the blood of Christ, and the Holy Ghost, the author of faith, is promised to them no less than to the adult; they must therefore by baptism, as a sign of the covenant, be also admitted into the christian church; and be distinguished from the children of unbelievers as was done in the old covenant or testament by circumcision, instead of which baptism is instituted in the new covenant."

Gen.17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. (b) Matt.19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

1Cor 7:14
Joel 2:16
Mat 19:14
Luk 1:14,15
Psa 22:10
Acts 10:47
1Cor 12:13 c/w 7:14
Gen 17:14
Col 2:11,12,13.

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News Item5/10/13 9:43 AM
blessed are the trendsetters  Find all comments by blessed are the trendsetters
If the WCF were a 20th c. copyrighted document, the LBCF committee would either be paying monthly royalties to the Westminster Divines or be in prison for shameless plagiarism.
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News Item5/10/13 8:15 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Westy C.F. wrote:
Westminster Confession of Faith. (A confession copied by the early Baptists 1689) was drawn up by over 50 theologians and language experts. This document has been used to build the Protestant and Reformed Church for centuries and was used by such worthies as the Puritans to teach Bible Truths.
Importance and Relevance of the WCF
WCF 28/3. Dipping of the person into the water is not necessary; but baptism is rightly administered by pouring or sprinkling water upon the person.a
a. Mark 7:4; Acts 2:41; 16:33; Heb 9:10, 19-22.
4. Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Christ,a but also the infants of one or both believing parents are to be baptized.b
a. Mark 16:15-16; Acts 8:37-38. • b. Gen 17:7, 9 with Gal 3:9, 14 and Col 2:11-12 and Acts 2:38-39 and Rom 4:11-12; Mat 28:19; Mark 10:13-16; Luke 18:15; 1 Cor 7:14.
Just shows what a rubbish document it is and how it deludes thousands! Junk it!
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News Item5/10/13 7:46 AM
Westy C.F.  Find all comments by Westy C.F.
Westminster Confession of Faith. (A confession copied by the early Baptists 1689) was drawn up by over 50 theologians and language experts. This document has been used to build the Protestant and Reformed Church for centuries and was used by such worthies as the Puritans to teach Bible Truths.
Importance and Relevance of the WCF

WCF 28/3. Dipping of the person into the water is not necessary; but baptism is rightly administered by pouring or sprinkling water upon the person.a

a. Mark 7:4; Acts 2:41; 16:33; Heb 9:10, 19-22.

4. Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Christ,a but also the infants of one or both believing parents are to be baptized.b

a. Mark 16:15-16; Acts 8:37-38. • b. Gen 17:7, 9 with Gal 3:9, 14 and Col 2:11-12 and Acts 2:38-39 and Rom 4:11-12; Mat 28:19; Mark 10:13-16; Luke 18:15; 1 Cor 7:14.

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News Item5/9/13 7:44 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Last post for today...Historians continued..
 
 Winer says : "Affusion was first applied to the sick, but was gradually introduced for others, after the seventh century , and in the thirteenth became the prevailing practice in the West."
 
Augusti says: "Immersion in water was general until the thirteenth century, among the Latins; it was then displaced by sprinkling, but retained by the
Greeks."
 
Bingham says : " As this [dipping] was the original apostolical practice, so it continued the universal practice of the church for many ages”
 
Coleman says : " The practice of immersion continued even until the thirteenth or fourteenth century. Indeed, it has never been formerly abandoned."
 
Encyclopedia Ecclesiastica says: "Whatever weight, however, may be in
those reasons, as a defense for the present practice of sprinkling, it is evident that during the first ages of the church, and for many centuries afterwards, the practice of immersion prevailed."

Lets all say it together..

MODERN PRESBYS SURE DO LIE

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News Item5/9/13 7:22 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
What do the historians say?

Dr. Whitby says: "And this immersion being religiously observed by all Christians for thirteen centuries, and approved by our Church," referring to the Church of England.

Dk. Stackhouse says: "Several authors have shown and proved that this manner of immersion continued, as much as possible, to be used for thirteen hundred years after Christ."

Bp. Bossuet says: "We are able to make it appear, by the acts of councils,
and by ancient rituals, that for thirteen hundred years baptism was thus administered [by immersion] throughout the whole church, as far as possible."

Dr. Brenner says: "Thirteen hundred years was baptism generally and originally performed by the immersion of the person under water, and only in extraordinary cases was sprinkling, or affusion, permitted. These later methods of baptism were called in question, and even prohibited."

Von Colln says: "Immersion in water was general until the thirteenth century; among the Latins, it was then displaced by sprinkling, but retained by the Greeks."

Hagenbach says: "From the thirteenth century sprinkling came into more general use in the West. The Greek Church, however, and the Church of Milano, still retained the practice of immersion"

MODERN PRESBYS SURE DO LIE!

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News Item5/9/13 6:57 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
continuing from before..

ASSEMBLY OF DIVINES say: "In this phrase (Col., ii. 12,) the apostle seemeth to allude to the ancient manner of baptism, which was to dip the parties baptized, and, as it were, to bury them under the water for a while, and then to draw them out of it, and lift them up, to represent the burial of our old man, and our resurrection to newness of life."

Fritzsche says : " But that, in accordance with the nature of the word, baptism was then performed not by sprinkling upon, but. by submerging, is proved especially by Rom. vi. 4.”

Estius says : " For immersion represents to us Christ's burial, and so also his death ; since none but the dead are buried. Moreover, the emersion which follows the immersion has a resemblance to the resurrection."

Maldonatus says : " For in Greek to be baptized is the same as to be submerged."

Whitefield says : " It is certain that in the words of our text (Rom. vi. 3, 4) there is an allusion to the manner of baptism, which was by immersion"

Doddridge says: "It seems the part of candor to confess, that here (Rom. vi. 4) is an allusion to the manner of baptizing by immersion, as most usual in those early times."

And let's hear the refrain again..

MODERN PRESBYS SURE DO LIE!

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News Item5/9/13 5:54 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
On the same verses cited before

Benson says: "Buried with him by baptism” alluding to the ancient manner of baptizing by immersion."

Diodati says: "In baptism being dipped in water according to the ancient
ceremony, it is a sacred sign unto us, that sin ought to be drowned in us by God's Spirit."

Turretin says: "And indeed baptism was performed in that age, and in those countries, by immersion of the whole body into water."

Zwingle says: "When ye were immersed into the water by baptism, ye
were ingrafted into the death of Christ."

Whitby says: "It being so expressly declared that we are buried with Christ in baptism, by being buried under water."

Bloomfield says: "Here is a plain allusion to the ancient custom of baptizing by immersion; and I agree with Koppe and Rosen muller, that there is reason to regret it should it have been abandoned in most Christian churches, especially as it has so evident a reference to the mystic sense of baptism."

Samuel Clarke says: "In the primitive times, the manner of baptizing was by immersion or dipping the whole body into water. And this manner of doing it was a very significant emblem of the dying.and rising again, referred to by St. Paul, in the above mentioned similitude."

MODERN PRESBYS SURE DO LIE!

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News Item5/9/13 5:42 PM
Addendum  Find all comments by Addendum
For the cranially challenged baby sprinklers, here is another thought (yet again):

Baptize is a verb and requires an action upon the subject IOW you are going to do something with the subject (person), NOT the water which is the object!

Now let's take baptize to mean dip, immerse. You take the person and you dip or immerse them in water.

Let's ignore the biblical meaning and let's go for your made up meaning and see how that fits. We are going to take the person and pour or sprinkle THEM in the water!

It AIN'T what you do with the water! IT IS what you do with the person to be baptized!

Maybe you should try the second. If you do, let me know, I'd love to be there!

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News Item5/9/13 5:37 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death...

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism...

Abp. Tillotson, on these passages, says : “Anciently those who were baptized were immersed, and buried in the water, to represent their death to sin ; and then did rise up out of the water to signify their entrance upon a new life. And to these customs the Apostle alludes."

Neander says : "The usual form of submersion at baptism, practiced by the Jews, was passed over to the Gentile Christians. Indeed, this form was the most suitable to signify that which Christ intended to render an object of contemplation by such a symbol : the immersion of the whole man in the spirit of a new life."

Modern Presbys SURE DO LIE!

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News Item5/9/13 5:20 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Uldwyth wrote:
Not true!
.htm>A Conversation
Not true
The practice of immersion is what caused baby baptizers to switch to effusion. After immersing the baby in the name of the Father and then the name of the Son and then the name of the Holy Spirit, well you get the picture. The New Testament church was practicing immersion for believers only from Acts 2 on and churches that have held to that Scriptural practice have always existed through and including today. If you chose not to believe that then you chose to believe a falsehood and we will never see eye to eye. Observer has well documented that fact and it is frivolous to go down the road again.
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News Item5/9/13 5:04 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Uldwyth wrote:
Not true!
"The ancient Greeks used the word baptizo in a variety of ways that did not mean immersion. For example, brushing dye into the hair was called baptism. Most Baptists would admit that Homer new his Greek pretty well. In “The Battle of the Frogs and Mice”, Homer describes a frog named Crombophagus who was stabbed in the chest. After being stabbed, the frog hopped all over the lake with blood spurting out of his chest into the water. Homer said that the lake was thus baptized by the blood of the frog. (See Holy Baptism by Duane E. Spencer page 66-68) The application was clearly made by sprinkling."
"As to your assertions that “baptize” always means to immerse, you are misinformed. In the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament, the root of baptizw, baptw, is used to describe the morning condensation of dew upon the body of Nebuchadnezzar as he lay in the open field. (Daniel 4) This is hardly an immersion."
A Conversation
Same old LIES!

No mental activity detected. Nothing new here. Move on!

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News Item5/9/13 4:38 PM
Uldwyth  Find all comments by Uldwyth
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Baptist (those who practice baptism by immersion of believers only) date all the way back to Acts 1
Not true!

"The ancient Greeks used the word baptizo in a variety of ways that did not mean immersion. For example, brushing dye into the hair was called baptism. Most Baptists would admit that Homer new his Greek pretty well. In “The Battle of the Frogs and Mice”, Homer describes a frog named Crombophagus who was stabbed in the chest. After being stabbed, the frog hopped all over the lake with blood spurting out of his chest into the water. Homer said that the lake was thus baptized by the blood of the frog. (See Holy Baptism by Duane E. Spencer page 66-68) The application was clearly made by sprinkling."

"As to your assertions that “baptize” always means to immerse, you are misinformed. In the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament, the root of baptizw, baptw, is used to describe the morning condensation of dew upon the body of Nebuchadnezzar as he lay in the open field. (Daniel 4) This is hardly an immersion."
A Conversation

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News Item5/8/13 4:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
The first assembly of Christians commenced in Jerusalem around AD32 as described in the Bible in Acts 2:42. Gospel Hall brethren consider this to be their true historical roots. As Christianity spread throughout the Near Eastern world, other assemblies were planted in new locations (see Revelation chs 2–3). Throughout the centuries of church history there has always been a remnant independent evangelical testimony as documented in a popular book among Gospel Halls called The Pilgrim Church by E.H. Broadbent. Andrew Miller's mammoth work Church History traces the same theme. In the early decades of the 19th century hundreds of new such independent assemblies appeared almost simultaneously in various places around the world particularly in Ireland, Scotland, England, and continental Europe. This is believed to have been a recovery of numerous New Testament beliefs and practices which had been largely lost in Christendom over the centuries.
Gospel Halls - wiki

Just sayin'.

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News Item5/8/13 4:34 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Uldwyth wrote:
Let me help you with your english comprehension.
F.N.Lee's quote above, - "This was the result of the influx into the Church - of paganizing heresies in general, and of the submersionistic heathen 'mystery religions' in particular."
These "paganizing heresies"he refers to are the Baptists today those who immerse rather than do the Biblical mode of sprinkle/effuse.
If then you are using this to support your Baptist cause - invented AS A DENOMINATION IN 1521 - Then fine you can add paganizing heresies to your current church practices if that is what you desire.
Baptist (those who practice baptism by immersion of believers only) date all the way back to Acts 1. That would be around 27-34 AD, you can make up bogus years for the start of Bible believing, Bible practicing believers.
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News Item5/8/13 3:09 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Observer,
Your posts really are quite informative and I really enjoy your wit!
Thanks.
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