Pentagon: Soldiers Who Share Christian Faith Face Court Martial
The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...‚ÄĚ.
The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith....
Hi Roan, I just read through the entire thread and don't see the many posts that you said are not Christ-like. Which ones do you mean? I see the ones where Rufus and I give our opinions, but don't understand where the bad witnesses are coming from throughout the thread? I will say though that I'm fairly shocked that you would pop in here when there have been so many threads in the recent past that really could have used your comment. Just surprised that you would chooses this fairly mellow thread when there have been so many not so nice ones that could have used your input.
Okay, thanks Rufus...for the nice response and for expounding. I may be a bit more sensitive than I should be at times because I always assume people are out to get me and put me down, so I've always been a little hypersensitive. That causes me to attack when I feel someone has or is about to disrespect me. This is one of my problem areas, well, one of my many...ha-ha, that I work on each day. I think it's pride, I guess.
Christopher000 wrote: .... I think my choice was a fair one since I can't think of any other religion that would scare the government enough to just leave them be...no matter what. I think your post was pretty sharp, Rufus.
Proverbs 27:17 - Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
If I'm sharp, I'm not doing so to be mean but to attempt to enlighten and encourage some balance. Christians today are hung up on Muslims as though they are our primary enemy, though it is not Muslims that are leading this country and it is not Muslims that are taking away our liberty.
This article has nothing to do with Muslims but everything to do with another religion. That other religion will go unnamed but Muslims will be named though they have zero to do with this effort to be our enemy for the sake of the gospel.
Nope, I used the Muslim religion as the example because, next to Christianity, which means many things these days, it is next in line and cause for great concern. I used the Muslim religion as the example because our government officials won't even use the words terrorism, radicals, Muslim extremists, etc, etc, anymore because they have become so politically correct and afraid of the enemy. I used the Muslim religion as my example because most others fall under the Christian umbrella so the Muslim religion was the logical choice since the US government is afraid to stir up any sort of waves in the community for fear of retaliation. What other religion would blow up a day care if one of their sheep was court marshaled? I think my example was a good one considering the umbrella of terror that this religion has gripped the world with. So, I just can't agree with the comment that I have somehow vilified the poor Muslims, the same faith that commands them to convert or murder anyone who doesn't share their beliefs. I think my choice was a fair one since I can't think of any other religion that would scare the government enough to just leave them be...no matter what. I think your post was pretty sharp, Rufus.
MN wrote: I think his point Rufus, is that this is primarily targeted at Christians. Not so much other faiths.
It certainly is targeted at Christianity for Christianity is the only true faith and the devil desires to hinder the labor of the faithful. My point is, we vilify the Muslims even when they are not responsible for offense and give a free pass to the people of the faiths that are actually doing the offending.
Christopher000 wrote: I would be willing to bet that they would not court marshall a Muslim for sharing his/her faith.
Please note the gentleman leading this mess...his name is not Mikey Mohammed nor is it Mikey Ahmed nor is it Mikey bin Laden. Also note, the group he endorsed, the SPLC, is neither led nor funded by Muslims. In short, it is not Muslims that are leading the charge to eliminate religious liberty in the United States.
I really don't know when and if the Army was a "Christian" outfit. Perhaps in the Civil War? It certainly wasn't during the Viet Nam War, so you can't blame the present President for that. I can't even blame the Bushes for it. But the only Christian chaplains I saw were in Viet Nam, and I doubt if they got that much support, state side you didn't have any I would call Christian. So, nominal Christianity was just about the only thing tolerated.
Any proselytizer during the Vietnam war may not have gotten court-martialed, but no doubt life would be made hard for him.
If your children are Christian, the military is really not a profession for them. If they have a mind to do that, at least make sure they get training in other fields (by the way, good advice for anyone going into any field of work, even the Apostle Paul was a part-time tent maker ) they can have an interest in.
We ran a pulled punches war that we could have easily won in Vietnam. It was just a policy continuation. MacArthur had captured the capital city of the North and was pulled from command in the Korean conflict. I am not sure that the policies of politicians in Washington were necessarily the judgment of God on our nation for a Supreme Court decision as they were already running the war that way. (although God can certainly use that as a means Acts 2:23) I certainly would not say that soldiers deaths were due to pulling prayer and Bible out of public schools, that sounds more like the Westboro Baptist. doctrine. Public schools had left God out of the picture long before Madam Murray O'hare came along. Also agree with Joe's assessment. Sorry about your loss, Joe.
Bob Vincent wrote: America lost its first war after outlawing prayer and Bible reading from our public schools in 1962 and 1963. I was in high school when this happened. Shortly after we spat in God's face, over 58,000 Americans died for absolutely nothing in Vietnam, to say nothing of the losses from other nations. We have lost Iraq, and we are going to lose Afghanistan. Today is America's National Day of Prayer, and I am to pray for our military in our city's observance. I pray for their safety. But my beloved country has been under judgment for fifty years.
Despite the propaganda to the contrary, The US lost the War of 1812
Bob: I agree with many of your comments, but don't say that our soldiers, airmen, and Marines died for no reason in Vietnam. My greatest childhood hero, a Marine, laid down his life there and I never had the chance to meet him in this world. I know it was not your intent to disparage but be careful with your words. He and others who modeled utter devotion to duty did not die in vain. My grandmother hung his sword on the hearth and thought of him every day until she passed away last year at 100. God always has a purpose. It has been 46 years and his powerful legacy of Godly sacrifice and love for others lives on.
America lost its first war after outlawing prayer and Bible reading from our public schools in 1962 and 1963. I was in high school when this happened. Shortly after we spat in God's face, over 58,000 Americans died for absolutely nothing in Vietnam, to say nothing of the losses from other nations. We have lost Iraq, and we are going to lose Afghanistan. Today is America's National Day of Prayer, and I am to pray for our military in our city's observance. I pray for their safety. But my beloved country has been under judgment for fifty years.
its amazing itself that this Weinstein yields such power and influence.
praying for the younger generation.
praying that believers will remain faithful during tribuation.
if one sees a winter storm is approaching from the west he prepares for it. I suppose others turn their back and look up at the sunny sky in the east. in fact, one could argue that all the feel good sermons and escapist fiction movies of the last decades have been this, looking at the sunny skies instead of preparing their "flock" for the winter storm...