Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church
In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority.
Rosemarie Smead is one of about 150 women around the world who have decided not to wait for the Roman Catholic Church to lift its ban on women priests, but to be ordained and start their own congregations.
In an interview before the ceremony, Smead said she is not worried about being excommunicated from the Church - the fate of other women ordained outside of Vatican law....
"Matthew 11:30 Â Â Â "30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is lightâMatchless paradox, even among the paradoxically couched maxims in which our Lord delights! That rest which the soul experiences when once safe under Christ's wing makes all yokes easy, all burdens light. "--JFB Commentary
I'm great at leaving out negative modifiers I have very little rote memory. One reason I was looking around for the Roman Road verses to put on a tablet and I landed on this thread, and hence my belated responses.
Jamesc, I really do have to look at some of my postings after doing them. If you are still around, I will state that this is not, "Easy Believism," it is just important to get the entire message of salvation to a person, before he turns off and tunes out. Many people are not going to sit through an hour or two lecture on their sin and why they need Christ. Now after they hear the presentation of the Roman Road, then you can go into detail. If you have is for the rote memory as I do, you'll even need prompt card of what I had in my last message.
John Yurich USA wrote: ..I have that in common with you....
You still don't get it.
To you Jesus is just a ticket to heaven. To those who are truly born again, he is the love of their life, truly their Lord who rules their thinking, their emotions, their plans, their ambitions etc. Everything revolves around the Lord. Their one sadness is they do not always live lives worthy of the Lord who gave everything he had, including his life for them. To them to Jesus is heaven! His word means soooo much to them and they cannot help but show their love to him by obedience. The Lord said:
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments
In a sense those who love him, don't need reminding of this, cos they do it naturally.
And they enjoy communion with Christ. The Lord deals with their souls. He comes alongside and administers the balm of Gilead when they are hurting. He chides them when they go wrong. He grants them wonderful new light from his word. He answers their prayers, uses them in witness, grants them assurance of faith, foretastes of heaven, spiritual tastes, desire for holiness etc.
You know nothing of this. All you want is a cheap ticket to heaven. And you've got a ticket that just don't go there!
Observer, I accept that salvation comes only through embracing Jesus as ones Lord and Savior. So I have that in common with you Evangelical Protestants. Isn't the whole reason to embrace Jesus is to go to Heaven after passing away? That is why Jesus was Crucified.
John Yurich USA wrote: ... fellowshipping in church is required to gain entrance into Heaven?
Lucky 'ol him!
Your never ending yada yada yada is just so tiring! Why are you on this forum at all? You've hardly got anything in common with anyone else here, excepting SteveR who loves your mamma church so much that one wonders why he doesn't just jump ship.
Your "I just want to be saved, but don't ask me to make sacrifices or to live a life of obedience to Christ because that doesn't contribute to my salvation" speaks volumes about you!
Presumably you've excised the book of James from your Bible and great chunks from other places too! Ever wondered why so many on this board who have exhorted you over the years can ALL see something you're soooooo blind to? viz. that the life of obedience does not add to salvation but is an evidence of love for the Savior.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
YOU don't live out of love to Christ. You live for save your own hide!
You have no testimony of the Lord's dealing with your soul. Your "I said a quick prayer and now I'm Christian" is meaningless tripe. You are a reprehensible product of quick Prayerism and seems like you will remain in your delusion till the day you die.
John Yurich USA wrote: Don't you understand shyness? For your information I don't have any unbelievers I mix with. I only have one friend who is a Christian(Baptist). And I have not seen or talked to him in 5 years. ---
Revelation 22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."
John Yurich's response: "No, I'm shy. Don't you understand shyness? Just leave the water of life by the back door and I'll pick it up on the way out."
Observer wrote: You think, if you get to heaven (and by my reckoning you ain't) that there is going to be some quiet corner to hide away? What good are friends? If you had Christian friends instead of mixing with unbelievers you wouldn't need to ask!
Don't you understand shyness? For your information I don't have any unbelievers I mix with. I only have one friend who is a Christian(Baptist). And I have not seen or talked to him in 5 years. Are you trying to state that fellowshipping in church is required to gain entrance into Heaven?
John Yurich USA wrote: Unprofitable Servant, In response to your post of 30 April at 2:27 PM. The reason why I don't like to worship at an Evangelical Protestant Church is that everybody is expected to engage in verbal communication and fellowship. And I just want to sit in the back of the church and leave after worship without communicating with anybody. I am shy and I don't see the need of having friends. What good are friends?
You think, if you get to heaven (and by my reckoning you ain't) that there is going to be some quiet corner to hide away?
What good are friends? If you had Christian friends instead of mixing with unbelievers you wouldn't need to ask!
Unprofitable Servant, In response to your post of 30 April at 2:27 PM. The reason why I don't like to worship at an Evangelical Protestant Church is that everybody is expected to engage in verbal communication and fellowship. And I just want to sit in the back of the church and leave after worship without communicating with anybody. I am shy and I don't see the need of having friends. What good are friends?
Jim, It is the manner of how the Romans Road, five or four things God wants you to know is used that makes it easy believism. You accurately quote Paul, but others who use RR just popish then declare someone saved because they simply said the prayer after acknowledging all those truths. The prayer ends up being the clincher. Paul did not say to the Philipian Jailer, "pray this prayer". He said, "believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved..." People end up trusting in the prayer instead of looking unto Jesus.
I would add this is a road, and as such not the destination, but still this will give a person even who has minutes live more than few minutes to live this really provide nothing, "Give Me the Works, Father" (PDF) but: The Roman Road Romans 3:10 As it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one." Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. Romans 10:13 For "Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."---NASB will save, by treading The Roman Road.
Ah, John U.K., there is really nothing that easy believism about the Roman Road, remember Paul also wrote in
2 Corinthians 13 5 Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you-- unless indeed you fail the test?---NASB
Barnes Commentary wrote: II Corinthians 13:5: Verse 5. Examine yourselves. 1Cor 11:28. The particular reason why Paul calls on them to examine themselves was, that there was occasion to fear that many of them had been deceived. Such had been the irregularities and disorders in the church at Corinth; so ignorant had many of them shown themselves of the nature of the Christian religion, that it was important, in the highest degree, for them to institute a strict and impartial examination to ascertain whether they had not been altogether deceived. This examination, however, is never unimportant or useless for Christians; and an exhortation to do it is always in place. So important are the interests at stake, and so liable are the best to deceive themselves, that all Christians should be often induced to examine the foundation of their hope of eternal salvation....
Observer wrote: Link to David Cloud's article - rather long but interesting observations: Quick Prayerism
Yes, I've just read through the article, and it is very well documented and explained. I very much like David Cloud's way of talking and writing, and he has written a valuable expose of the unbiblical "Roman Road" method of evangelism, along with the truth of God's word and how folks actually get saved. The emphasis on repentance is necessary, as a turning from sin is crucial to a genuine belief in Christ. The two can't be separated, but are wrought in the heart together by our Lord.
I would heartily recommend it to John Yurich, if he would make his calling and election sure, or expose the deception of a false "conversion" through "Quick Prayerism".
Dorcas wrote: JohnUK, Our family sings the doxology at family worship every day. I believe it is from Psalm 150:6.
The question is not have prayed a prayer or walked an aisle, bowed at an altar. (although nothing wrong with any of those) The question is have you been born from above? (John 3:5-8 NKJV)"Jesus answered, âMost assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, âYou must be born again.â The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.â
Note, the Lord says we will see the effects of the one who is born of Spirit. That is crux of what all are trying to say. No one is saying that going to a non Catholic church brings salvation, they are saying one of the effects of the work of the Spirit in the life of a true believer is they walk in the truth of the light of the Word of God.(one of the effects that can be seen) Maybe a person in a remote region in South America might have an issue getting to the truth of coming out from the Catholic church, but John Y, you can't have missed that in the many posts that have been offered. Do you see why Observer says ye must be born again?
Dorcas wrote: JohnUK wrote, It is a great source of encouragement to every believer who has been called and justified because it guarantees he will be also glorified.... Praise God from whom ALL blessings flow!! Love to hear and read about His mercy and grace!
You reminded me of what we used to sing at the commencement of every Sunday morning service in the very first church I attended after my conversion.
Praise God from whom all blessings flow Praise him all creatures here below Praise him abve, ye heavenly host Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
Ah, those were great days, with many people coming to know the Lord through the preaching of the word. The pastor then, a Welshman called Peter Jeffery, made several trips to the USA by invitation, as the Lord was mightily blessing people through his ministry, both in conversions and building up the saints in sound doctrine.
John Yurich USA wrote: Southern Baptist doctrine states unequivocally that salvation comes only through embracing Jesus as ones Lord and Savior, which is what Graham preached at those crusades. And my Baptist friend Baptist Church is an Independent Baptist Church.
You're wrong and it will be too late for you by the time you find out
Your look out, cos you've been warned plenty of times.
Some blind folk just don't like to have sight!
Hey John UK
Loved your comment about men wanting to control regeneration! Too true.
Did you watch the Billy Graham clip on YouTube?
This fool Yurich wants to rest his soul on Graham's gospel! He gonna be undone that's for sure!
Since you mentioned David Cloud a while back I did google him and found it interesting that he has written quite a bit on what he calls "Quick Prayerism". Worth a read. Yurich would do well to read it too.