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FRONT PAGE  |  8/29/2014
SUNDAY, APR 21, 2013  |  17 comments
Florist sued again for refusing to provide flowers for gay wedding
A Washington florist is being sued by both the American Civil Liberties Union and the state attorney general for refusing to provide service to a gay couple planning their wedding, a legal tangle that has pitted antidiscrimination policy against religious freedom.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Washington filed a lawsuit Thursday, claiming that Barronelle Stutzman, owner of Arlene's Flowers and Gifts in Richland, Wash., discriminated against Robert Ingersoll and Curt Freed, who are longtime patrons of the shop. Last week, state Attorney General Bob Ferguson filed a consumer protection lawsuit against Ms. Stutzman, the first discrimination case based on sexual orientation brought by the Attorney General's Office, reports the Seattle Times.

In court documents, Stutzman said she would not sell flowers for a same-sex wedding because of her religious beliefs, reports Reuters. ...


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News Item4/22/13 3:03 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
US Wrote:
If a person went to a baker who owned a pro "gay" business and asked them to make a cake that said unless a person repents and turns from homosexuality they will spend eternity in the lake of fire...

Good one

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News Item4/22/13 11:14 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
The thing here too, is that the couple is not the one suing, it is the state and the ACLU. If a person went to a baker who owned a pro "gay" business and asked them to make a cake that said unless a person repents and turns from homosexuality they will spend eternity in the lake of fire, the ACLU would defend the baker's right to NOT make such a cake
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News Item4/22/13 10:30 AM
jamesc | Fallbrook, CA  Find all comments by jamesc
Pastor J David T. wrote:
No one in the Church community at No time challenge that or called it Sin.
True Christians (both leaders and lay people - e.g. John MacArthur, Ray Comfort, my pastor, you, me, others, ...) in the True body of Christ did and are still calling it sin. However, let us remember, 1 Corinthians 5:12-13:

"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. ‚ÄúPurge the evil person from among you.‚ÄĚ"

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News Item4/22/13 8:51 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Pastor j David t. You have said if all. That sums it all up. Thank you . That was the best comment on this story. You wrote the plain truth. I stand with you
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News Item4/21/13 7:40 PM
Capt Credence | Mesa, AZ  Find all comments by Capt Credence
What "some other Christians" say, is irrelevant, when Scripture says otherwise, i.e. "Do unto others ..." (Mt.7:12), "rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man" (Eph.6:7). 1Pet. 2:19-21 referring to suffering for doing what's right is especially relevant.
The shop owners did the right thing.

John Yurich USA wrote:
You stated that a Christian florist, photographer or baker would not provide wilted flowers, leave the lens cap on the camera or bake a cake that tastes awful for a homosexual wedding? Well where do you think I got that idea from? I got from some other Christians who stated on comments on another website the same thing I stated.
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News Item4/21/13 6:57 PM
Pastor J David T. | Arizona  Contact via emailFind all comments by Pastor J David T.
As my wife and I spoke on our way to Church today about the fear that speaking about Islam or using the name of Mohammed makes American afraid. Those who are saved and know Our Lord Jesus Christ as Savior listen up! We as the Church in America has greatly sin by Not speaking or standing on God's word long before now. Let me explain, if we as the Church had been Preaching the Gospel of Our Lord the "so call gay marriage mess wouldn't even be an issue". What has happen is that when President Obama can out and made the statement that he support or for " gay marriage". No one in the Church community at No time challenge that or called it Sin. First I would like to say to the Florist shop owner I would like to say I praise God for your for Standing. Whats going to happen is ACLU is going to try this from now on folks, and I say against those who Preach the Gospel or refuse to marriage in the Christian Churches across American. Hear the word of The Lord there are and will be so-called Pastors or Men and Women of God who will give in to this because of fear or Losing "our Taxes Credit". We must not be silent for if we do we as a Church in this county will not recover. There is coming when this Evil will be forced on the Church by the government.The Time is Now to Stand on God's Word!
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News Item4/21/13 6:50 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Fenda wrote:
The florist is A Christian. Christians do not sell bad products. Thus her witness is Christian and she is protected by God.
You stated that a Christian florist, photographer or baker would not provide wilted flowers, leave the lens cap on the camera or bake a cake that tastes awful for a homosexual wedding? Well where do you think I got that idea from? I got from some other Christians who stated on comments on another website the same thing I stated.
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News Item4/21/13 5:39 PM
Fenda  Find all comments by Fenda
John Yurich USA wrote:
If the florist had provided wilted flowers then the homosexual couple could not state that they were refused service and discriminated against and the florist would not have been sued.
The florist is A Christian. Christians do not sell bad products. Thus her witness is Christian and she is protected by God.
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News Item4/21/13 4:43 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Fenda wrote:
The florist's refusal is seen as discrimination.
Yet the fact of her personal faith and doctrine are being discriminated against by being compromised by the homosexuals and their supporters and the injustice of the courts application of one sided legal action.
Also from a Biblical perspective the courts and the homosexual supporters, ACLU etc, are sanctioning sin which sends people to hell.
Thus in doing so these "atheists?"/"secularists" are discriminating against Christians their beliefs and their rights to declare Bible facts warning others about sin and God's punishments, - on the basis of "atheist" beliefs.
May God have mercy on all involved.
If the florist had provided wilted flowers then the homosexual couple could not state that they were refused service and discriminated against and the florist would not have been sued.
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News Item4/21/13 12:23 PM
Fenda  Find all comments by Fenda
The florist's refusal is seen as discrimination.

Yet the fact of her personal faith and doctrine are being discriminated against by being compromised by the homosexuals and their supporters and the injustice of the courts application of one sided legal action.

Also from a Biblical perspective the courts and the homosexual supporters, ACLU etc, are sanctioning sin which sends people to hell.

Thus in doing so these "atheists?"/"secularists" are discriminating against Christians their beliefs and their rights to declare Bible facts warning others about sin and God's punishments, - on the basis of "atheist" beliefs.

May God have mercy on all involved.

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News Item4/21/13 8:16 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I don't know, John...I have watched a lot of court TV, the civil suit type stuff. You'd be surprised at some of the things people sue over...and win. In addition to replacing the original dollar value of whatever, they end up paying court fees, and usually some sort of damage above and beyond. I like the ideas, but I have to wonder if it would stop with the customer simply being angry and unsatisfied with the service they received. One thing will be accomplished, for sure and that is that the customer will never use their services again.
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News Item4/21/13 8:09 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
I guess it's all a fine line because I can't think of much that wouldn't open them up to a lawsuit anyway. The gay community has become a force to be reckoned with because they have so many brothers and sisters stitting in seats of power. What a great generation for the homosexuals who can all crawl out of their closets into the light of day; breathing a huge sigh of relief because they can finally be themselves. They have finally gained acceptance and legal rights to do what they do.
If a florist provided wilted flowers to a homosexual wedding, a photographer left the lens cap on at a homosexual wedding and a baker made the cake awful tasting then the homosexual couple could not state they were refused service by the florist, photographer and baker. There would be no grounds for the florist, photographer and baker to be sued by the homosexual couple.
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News Item4/21/13 8:01 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I guess it's all a fine line because I can't think of much that wouldn't open them up to a lawsuit anyway. The gay community has become a force to be reckoned with because they have so many brothers and sisters stitting in seats of power. What a great generation for the homosexuals who can all crawl out of their closets into the light of day; breathing a huge sigh of relief because they can finally be themselves. They have finally gained acceptance and legal rights to do what they do.
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News Item4/21/13 7:18 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mr b wrote:
I'm glad that florist stood up for truth. We should follow all examples of those who stand up for truth no matter what it costs us. We need more like this florist who's willing to stand up and not compromise .
That florist could have stood up for the truth by providing wilted flowers. That homosexual couple could not state the florist refused them service.
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News Item4/21/13 7:17 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
The article says its a " disturbing reminder of unequal treatment". The only thing that should really be disturbing is a sexual relationship between 2 people of the same sex. That's disturbing . How far our morals have sunk. God forgive us for allowing all this to happen
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News Item4/21/13 7:12 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
I'm glad that florist stood up for truth. We should follow all examples of those who stand up for truth no matter what it costs us. We need more like this florist who's willing to stand up and not compromise .
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News Item4/21/13 7:01 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
All that florist had to do was provide wilted flowers to that homosexual wedding. That homosexual couple could not state the florist refused them service. A photographer when asked to do a homosexual wedding could leave the lens cap on the camera at the wedding. The homosexual couple could not state the photographer refused them service. And a baker could make a cake that tastes awful then the homosexual couple could not state the baker refused them service.
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