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Out-of-Wedlock Births Need to Be 'Stigmatized,' Welfare Expert Says

The American society and public policy need to be much more authoritative about communicating the norm because certain behaviors and lifestyles are undesirable, one of the nation's leading experts on poverty and welfare said, adding that out-of-wedlock births needs to be "stigmatized."

David Blankenhorn, founder and president of the Institute for American Values and the host for a discussion on "Is the Marriage Gap Driving American Inequality?" at the Center for Public Conversation in New York City on Thursday evening, showed a public-funded poster saying if you finish high school education, get a job and marry before having children, you have a 98 percent chance of not being in poverty. ...


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SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
tsapost wrote:
Your friends in the RCC come up with a higher percentage Steve.
Quote;
"Yet there is one large obstacle to Putin’s plans which he has not yet publicly addressed face to face: the prevalence of abortion in Russia. According to LifeSiteNews, “the average Russian woman has seven abortions in her lifetime. As long as society fails to recognise the value of human life…it will be difficult to establish a new 3-child norm. Abortion must cease being a way of life if Russia and her people are to survive.” How will a country that was officially atheist for so long under Communism, and which fully endorses a “woman’s right to choose”, respond to this challenge" (CatholicHerald.co,uk)
I didnt doubt you had a source for that figure, as I have heard the number before. I just dont understand how they('my friends') can justify that statistic with a 1.7 fertility rate. I went to the source(LifeSitenews) and found another stat that seems incorrect

"MOSCOW/VLADIVOSTOK, April 12, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) -Â An English language news magazine from Moscow reports that up to one third of Russian abortions result in the death of the mother."

I dont think it helps our cause to exaggerate

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News Item4/20/13 2:41 PM
tsapost  Find all comments by tsapost
SteveR wrote:
Wiki shows a fertility rate of 1.7/woman, and an abortion rate of 1.3/live birth...so I get a current number closer to 2
While still very high, I think that 6 number was from the Soviet Era
Your friends in the RCC come up with a higher percentage Steve.
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"Yet there is one large obstacle to Putin’s plans which he has not yet publicly addressed face to face: the prevalence of abortion in Russia. According to LifeSiteNews, “the average Russian woman has seven abortions in her lifetime. As long as society fails to recognise the value of human life…it will be difficult to establish a new 3-child norm. Abortion must cease being a way of life if Russia and her people are to survive.” How will a country that was officially atheist for so long under Communism, and which fully endorses a “woman’s right to choose”, respond to this challenge" (CatholicHerald.co,uk)
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News Item4/20/13 2:14 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Borat wrote:
The average number of abortions per Russian woman is 6. They rarely resort to birth control. Abortion for them is a lifestyle.
Wiki shows a fertility rate of 1.7/woman, and an abortion rate of 1.3/live birth...so I get a current number closer to 2

While still very high, I think that 6 number was from the Soviet Era

UP
Maybe we are on the same page on this issue

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News Item4/20/13 1:49 PM
Borat  Find all comments by Borat
The average number of abortions per Russian woman is 6. They rarely resort to birth control. Abortion for them is a lifestyle.
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News Item4/20/13 12:59 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
SteveR, maybe we are on the same page and just looking at it from a different angles. I would hope you would know me well enough to think that I believe that single mothers need support. I believe that as we have opportunity to do good, we should do good to all men(and women) especially those of the household of faith. You have to ask yourself which helps them more, stopping them from doing that which makes them a single mom or assisting them after they are now facing the consequences of their bad choice. Obviously it would be better if they did not become a single mom in the first place. The article says place a stigma on unwed pregnancies. I know you don't think we should tell girls that it is something that should be glamorized. Yes, as you say, they need our help and we should be there to assist them. It would be better to avoid the problem in the first place. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

And for the record, I was not saying that single mothers who repent of their mistakes are the same as homosexuals who continue in their sin. I was showing that shame has a way of preventing unwanted behavior. Check your concordance, that is a biblical concept. (i.e. Rev. 3:18; 16:15)

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News Item4/20/13 11:38 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Why was homosexuality not so much out in the open 50 years ago, because it was stigmatized by society and people who didn't want that humiliation didn't make that choice. That is what the guy is saying. You mention, what about abortion, who do think is a major player against this campaign, Planned Parenthood, because if the behavior to get pregnant out of wedlock is looked down upon it cost them money they would get from the abortion. The stigmatization is not on having a baby but about getting pregnant out of wedlock. Nevertheless, stigmatization of the out of wedlock pregnancy is to stop you from the act that gets you there.
see http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter031413.php3
I wouldnt compare single mothers who repent of their mistakes with 'homosexuals' who wish to justify their continued life in sin

I dont know about your Church, but I know we go out of our way to help single mothers not stigmatize them

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News Item4/20/13 10:37 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
SteveR wrote:
You mean other than the obvious? ..
Luke 14:7 So He told a parable to those who were invited, when He noted how they chose the best places, saying to them: 8 “When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him; 9 and he who invited you and him come and say to you, ‘Give place to this man,’ and then you begin WITH SHAME to take the lowest place. (NKJV)

Why was homosexuality not so much out in the open 50 years ago, because it was stigmatized by society and people who didn't want that humiliation didn't make that choice. That is what the guy is saying. You mention, what about abortion, who do think is a major player against this campaign, Planned Parenthood, because if the behavior to get pregnant out of wedlock is looked down upon it cost them money they would get from the abortion. The stigmatization is not on having a baby but about getting pregnant out of wedlock. Nevertheless, stigmatization of the out of wedlock pregnancy is to stop you from the act that gets you there.

see http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter031413.php3

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News Item4/20/13 10:01 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Still trying to figure out how stigmatizing out of wedlock births does not stigmatize out of wedlock sexual activity??? Is there a large number of in vetro fertilization of out of wedlock mothers?
You mean other than the obvious? giving them incentive to visit the abortion butchers to avoid being stigmatized?

How about the Samaritan woman at the well? How about the Royal line transfer from Judah to Pharez? Would you really stigmatize Pharez?

Matthew 1:3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;

When will you realize its the sin we stigmatize, not the sinner who we are called to preach to?

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News Item4/20/13 9:28 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Still trying to figure out how stigmatizing out of wedlock births does not stigmatize out of wedlock sexual activity??? Is there a large number of in vetro fertilization of out of wedlock mothers?
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News Item4/20/13 9:07 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Disagree

We need to stigmatize out of wedlock sexual activity not births. Stigmatizing out of wedlock mothers & their children is not our calling & will only increase business for Planned Parenthood butchers

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