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SUNDAY, APR 14, 2013  |  386 comments
Pope picks cardinals to advise on Vatican reform
The Catholic Church's new leader has appointed a group of top churchmen to advise him on how to reform the Vatican's often arcane bureaucracy.

Pope Francis chose eight cardinals and a bishop who between them represent nearly every continent, and only one of whom is currently a Vatican official.

The bureaucracy, or Curia, has been blamed for the Church's hesitant response to sex abuse and other crises.

It is nearly 50 years since the Vatican's last major reforms.


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News Item6/15/13 7:22 PM
sledge-hammer  Find all comments by sledge-hammer
Helps wrote:
Really?
I would say you cannot have had much to do with Anglicans! The rank and file care as much for the articles as the clergy; in other words not at all.
I possibly have met more 'religious' Anglicans than evangelicals and you are of course correct that the rank and file care as much for the articles as they do for the Christ of Holy Scripture. Yet if the Anglican clergy behave like Romanist Priests one can understand the reason why Anglicans never hear the evangelical witness that can be easily drawn from the 39 articles of faith. Why leave them in ignorance and not at least challenge their understanding of their Anglican foundations?

You might know of Pastor Carson (Chester)-it was interesting to hear of his recent good witness 'A wonderful gospel witness at the Anglo-Catholic shrine in Walsingham'

It was interesting to hear Pastor Carson challenge the supposed evangelical Archbishop of York Dr John Sentamu with one of the articles and Sentamu standing and reading the article. At least he was challenged

Here

Pic of 2008 witness

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News Item5/6/13 6:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
The point this fellow made before was that the LXX translated the word taw-bal as dip. Well what a surprise that they didn't use naw-zaw!! Yet this silly fellow thinks that his point has somehow won him credit. Sheer insanity!
They say that insanity makes one giggle a lot.

I'm outta here!

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News Item5/6/13 6:02 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
SteveR wrote:
{giggle}I know this is difficult for you, but Levitcus 4:6 contains both, dip & sprinkle. Note the Hebrew Word for sprinkle is naw-zaw' and as noted earlier dip is taw-bal'
Confusing the two makes you look really silly, and is entertaining
Leviticus 4:6 And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood seven times before the LORD, before the vail of the sanctuar
The point this fellow made before was that the LXX translated the word taw-bal as dip. Well what a surprise that they didn't use naw-zaw!! Yet this silly fellow thinks that his point has somehow won him credit. Sheer insanity!
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News Item5/6/13 9:34 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
OK
I could be wrong about you. Maybe in time I will see that good fruit of Election
How the unregenerate view me is of no concern to me. Rather I am thankful that The Father has justfied me by grace through faith alone in Christ alone, and that I have the witness of the Spirit to that fact.

Steve, if you are looking to yourself for salvation, you are going to be bitterly disappointed, because God will accept you not. I am amazed that you can compare man's puny efforts at holiness with the perfect righteousness of the Christ, imputed to all that believe. You would be far more at peace with yourself and others if you would simply bow down before the Incarnate God and accept that you are naught but a wretched sinner needing mercy.

Self-righteousness is obnoxious to the Lord, and he will have no truck with it, nor with those who parade it.

Why do I tell you all these truths? Because I hate you? God knows I do not!!

However, the new birth is beyond your control, and you are totally dependent on God showing you mercy. Baptism will not do it. Holy living will not do it. Genealogy will not do it. But the Spirit is abroad in this world, bringing light and life to whomsoever he will. I hope he finds you.

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News Item5/6/13 9:09 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Correct! So why be so antagonistic towards me?
OK
I could be wrong about you. Maybe in time I will see that good fruit of Election
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News Item5/6/13 8:30 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Only the ELECT are part of the royal priesthood, people promising themselves salvation spreading hatred of the actual priests are not
Correct! So why be so antagonistic towards me?
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News Item5/6/13 8:09 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Two things Steve:
1. You show by that comment that you have no concept of the priesthood of all believers.
2. Have you ever SEEN the blood of The Lamb? Do you have any idea of what "sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" actually means?
Only the ELECT are part of the royal priesthood, people promising themselves salvation spreading hatred of the actual priests are not
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News Item5/6/13 8:02 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Relevant if you actually are a Priest(which I doubt)
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Two things Steve:

1. You show by that comment that you have no concept of the priesthood of all believers.

2. Have you ever SEEN the blood of The Lamb? Do you have any idea of what "sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" actually means?

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News Item5/6/13 7:56 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people..
Relevant?
Relevant if you actually are a Priest(which I doubt)
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
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News Item5/6/13 7:43 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
{giggle}I know this is difficult for you, but Levitcus 4:6 contains both, dip & sprinkle. Note the Hebrew Word for sprinkle is naw-zaw' and as noted earlier dip is taw-bal'
Confusing the two makes you look really silly, and is entertaining
Leviticus 4:6 And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood seven times before the LORD, before the vail of the sanctuar
Being a priest before God, I care nothing for how men perceive me. Rather I am only concerned with how God perceives me. And he sees me as justified, perfect in his sight.

Revelation 1:5-6 KJV
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Sprinkling with blood? No problemo.

Hebrews 9:19-20 KJV
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people..

Relevant?

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News Item5/6/13 7:29 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
It is naught. Thanks for the info, bro.
And John Sprinkler sure don't sound right to me.
{giggle}I know this is difficult for you, but Levitcus 4:6 contains both, dip & sprinkle. Note the Hebrew Word for sprinkle is naw-zaw' and as noted earlier dip is taw-bal'
Confusing the two makes you look really silly, and is entertaining

Leviticus 4:6 And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood seven times before the LORD, before the vail of the sanctuar

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News Item5/6/13 6:26 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
John, the unanimous testimony of church history is that the word indisputably means to dip, submerge.

What have they produced of any substance that has given you pause for thought? I suspect absolutely nothing!

It is naught. Thanks for the info, bro.

And John Sprinkler sure don't sound right to me.

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News Item5/6/13 5:44 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
....It was GREAT to read Tyndale's instruction on immersion and the symbolism of death and burial with Christ and being raised with him...
John, the unanimous testimony of church history is that the word indisputably means to dip, submerge.

There was a new breed of Presbys that arose in the 19th century in the US who decided on a different game plan viz. to revise history and change the meaning of the word take what it may. Hodge junior and Dale are in that group.

Shamelessly these guys accused their forebears of being ignorant, and careless (well they had to if their arguments were going to get any traction) and accused the baptists of lying!

I have produced abundant testimonies from Presbys and we could add many more if we thought that these guys had any integrity. But, you have seen that they lack it completely. And look at their utter inability to deal with God's word. They're all at sea. They haven't a clue! They are past caring!

What have they produced of any substance that has given you pause for thought? I suspect absolutely nothing!

Read any of their works on baptism and you will find the same shallow reasoning exhibited on this forum. Its all just specious nonsense to support their superstition!

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News Item5/5/13 7:04 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Folder wrote:
blah blah.....
Only from about 350 A.D. onward, did the deformation of sprinkling as the Biblical mode of baptism -- increasingly take root. This was the result of the influx into the Church -- of paganizing heresies in general, and of the submersionistic heathen 'mystery religions' in particular." (Rev. Prof. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee)
And there was me thinking that earlier you maintained that this was unheard of before 1521!

Make your _______ up. Now let's see if he can figure out what the missing word is! He would need the missing word to figure it out! He just ain't got it!

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News Item5/5/13 6:35 PM
Addendum  Find all comments by Addendum
cont/d....

And the grand result of the whole discussion is, if possible, still more wonderful. ******Beginning with the position that baptize means immerse******, he ends by maintaining that immersion is not baptism. This surpasses the jugglers. Here is the word baptize meaning immerse, or, if you prefer it, intuspose; now a few passes of logical and philological sleight of hand, and behold ! immersion, or intusposition, is not baptism at all. If you feel inclined to say the force of absurdity could no further go, be not too fast, for Dr. Dale, apparently fascinated by his fancies, has in his most recent production practiced an utter reductio ad absurdum upon his own theory.

I would add that his failure is sealed when he can find nothing in the term that even intimates sprinkling!!

________________________________

But its us Baptists who apparently are bent on changing the meaning of the word!

Ha!

He did do the Presbys a huge favour by giving that unthinking crowd 4 volumes of cut and paste material!

Did anyone read Seaton come up with the practice before the end of the second century?! NO! Oh dear!

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News Item5/5/13 6:34 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Read the following review and then Dale's work and you will see right through his specious arguments.

Dr. Dale takes an additional step which is novel and surprising. In the first place, he confounds the literal and figurative uses of the term in question, and substantially claims that in the literal use it can have no more definite sense than it has in the figurative - a process destructive of all exact interpretation. He then attempts to show that the word is used in three different senses: first, intusposition without influence..; second, intusposition with influence..; third, influence without intusposition... This last can only be called a figment of Dr. Dale's fancy. By the same sort of process I could reduce to a nebulous condition the meaning of any word whatever... This fanciful notion he attempts to support by a mass of painstaking, but utterly wild interpretation, such as can only excite one's astonishment.

TBC

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News Item5/5/13 4:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Folder wrote:
John the Baptist was so called because that is what he did - baptise!
Oh dear, you mean he baptised sinners upon their confession of repentance. I thought you said that was right out of order, being arminist and all?

I'm outta here!

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News Item5/5/13 4:44 PM
Folder  Find all comments by Folder
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Free print download, Calvinism & Arminianism and of course a free sermon, Calvinism & Arminanism Contrasted.
The facts on comparing Calvinism with the heresy of Arminianism are very simple Jim.
1. Calvinism is Biblical.
2. Arminianism is salvation by works like the popish method.

BTW Jim, Calvin would never have used a Bible which has been influenced by heretics such as Westcott, Hort, Nestle and Aland - for example the NIV, NASB etc etc.

And he rejected out of hand the current heretics of his time - the anabaptists.
"Already at the front of the first edition of his Institutes, in his 1536 Preface to Francis King of France, Calvin was defending himself against the Romish charge that the Calvinists were Anabaptists. Together with the Romanists, Calvin too opined that the "tumults and disputes" of Anabaptism "ought to be ascribed to the malice of Satan...by means of his Catabaptists and other portentous miscreants" (F.N.Lee. reformed.com)

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News Item5/5/13 4:28 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Free print download, Calvinism & Arminianism and of course a free sermon, Calvinism & Arminanism Contrasted. The summary for the above sermon,
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
The contrasts surrounding the views of Calvinism and Arminianism are not mere theological issues but are highly significant in influencing how we live our lives. This study contrasts what are generally considered to be the five points of Calvinism. Laying the groundwork for an understanding of these issues begins with coming to a biblically correct concept of man's sin and the effect that has had on man's spiritual condition
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News Item5/5/13 4:27 PM
Folder  Find all comments by Folder
SPRINKLING is of course the BIBLICAL mode of BAPTISM!

"In the third century, we find baptism by sprinkling in Clement of Alexandria and in Hippolytus. We also encounter it in Origen, in Cyprian, and in Dionysius Alexandrinus.

In the fourth century, we find baptism by sprinkling in: Eusebius; Lactantius; Athanasius; the Apostolic Constitutions; and Cyril of Jerusalem. We also find it referred to in: Hilary; Basil; Gregory Nazianzen; Gregory of Nyssa; the Second Council of Constantinople; Ambrose; Didymus of Alexandria; and Jerome.

The relevant citations from all of the above, should all be studied in their original languages (chiefly Greek or Latin). Most of these citations are contained in Robert Ayres's 627-page standard work on the mode of Christian baptism during the apostolic and early-patristic ages.

Only from about 350 A.D. onward, did the deformation of sprinkling as the Biblical mode of baptism -- increasingly take root. This was the result of the influx into the Church -- of paganizing heresies in general, and of the submersionistic heathen 'mystery religions' in particular." (Rev. Prof. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee)
+++

John the Baptist was so called because that is what he did - baptise! Naturally he did this in the nearest source of water - BY EFFUSION.

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