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FRIDAY, APR 12, 2013  |  345 comments
John 3:16 Conference addresses Calvinism

While stressing that the discussion between Calvinists and non-Calvinists in the Southern Baptist Convention is a family matter, speakers at the 2013 John 3:16 Conference outlined the differences between the two views and what they believe to be the issues hindering unity among Southern Baptists.

Frank Cox, pastor of North Metro Baptist Church in Lawrenceville, Ga., which hosted the conference on March 21-22, told attendees that the event would help them "engage in the conversation going on across the nation and the Southern Baptist Convention."

Jerry Vines, pastor emeritus of First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla., opened the conference by saying it was not about anger or fighting anyone over these issues. ...


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News Item4/21/13 11:28 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Could have been, bro. One thing is for sure...
Believing doesn't get me grace; grace gets me believing.
Amen to that. No salvation without grace.
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News Item4/21/13 10:07 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Perhaps it was God's sense of humor, John. Having the Lord born among those who had been forever cast aside hundreds of years before.
Could have been, bro. One thing is for sure...

Believing doesn't get me grace; grace gets me believing.

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News Item4/21/13 8:44 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Did you find them there notes yet, bro? I'm looking forward to a mini sermon on that.
I've been thinking about the 400 years when God was silent between Malachi and John Baptist. No prophet, and no word from God, for many generations. And yet, when our Lord was born, there was still a Spirit-filled man in Jerusalem who knew exactly what was taking place, and that The Christ had been born. No doubt there were others too.
Perhaps it was God's sense of humor, John. Having the Lord born among those who had been forever cast aside hundreds of years before.
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News Item4/21/13 6:22 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Hey John
Love that text [Gal 2:20]. I once preached from it. And it was particularly blessed. I'll see if I can dig out my notes and précis them for a posting.
Did you find them there notes yet, bro? I'm looking forward to a mini sermon on that.

I've been thinking about the 400 years when God was silent between Malachi and John Baptist. No prophet, and no word from God, for many generations. And yet, when our Lord was born, there was still a Spirit-filled man in Jerusalem who knew exactly what was taking place, and that The Christ had been born. No doubt there were others too.

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News Item4/19/13 5:50 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
I agree with the latter, John. But the orphan analogy you gave in connection for the adoption as sons of God doesn't work, for the very reason that in fact some children do not want to leave the orphanage, even though they would be blessed by it. And I know personally of homeless who refuse any help at all. You see, even a hot meal has to be willingly received. You can't make them take it.
Okay Mike, I offer you a real hot meal of sound doctrine, and you do not accept it. See, you are correct.

But actually you are right about my analogy not really working for my argument, so I'll retract it and stick to scripture.

The word and Spirit are a powerful combination. And in my own experience, which at the time I could not have described theologically, the very idea of "a choice" never entered my mind. I was convinced I was a hellbound sinner, and that I could do nothing to change that, but in the gospel there was a slight hope that God could forgive me and set me on a new path. In a short space of time, I went from being a rebel against God, to desiring him and his ways, to be born again and forgiven. Thus began a calling upon the name of the Lord for salvation. I had no choice, could do no other.

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News Item4/19/13 5:40 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Hi Mike
---
Tell you what, bro, do a little experiment. Go out into the highways and hedges and find a starving, cold beggar-hobo, and offer him a hot meal or some money, and see if you can find one who refuses it. The only reason you imagine that an orphan is capable of refusing eternal life and adoption by God, is because you don't take into account the fact that the Holy Spirit can convince even a rich man that he is a pauper and a beggar before God. When a sinner is thus dealt with by the Spirit, he doesn't really see "an offer", because he sees himself as undeserving of any such thing from God; rather he will take much convincing that God really is "willing and able" to give him such blessings as money can never buy.
I agree with the latter, John. But the orphan analogy you gave in connection for the adoption as sons of God doesn't work, for the very reason that in fact some children do not want to leave the orphanage, even though they would be blessed by it. And I know personally of homeless who refuse any help at all. You see, even a hot meal has to be willingly received. You can't make them take it.
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News Item4/19/13 5:04 PM
apost  Find all comments by apost
Mike wrote:
So John, are you saying no orphan offered adoption has ever said no, and if he did, was dragged out of the orphanage, "made willing" as in The Theology? Somehow it seems doubtful.
Don't worry Mike if the orphan was a baby and being adopted by Baptists in this "parable" he would have been left in the orphanage.

Whereas if he was old enough to speak he would have been required to declare his intentions Arminian style.

Thereby eliminating the Calvinist doctrine.

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News Item4/19/13 4:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
So John, are you saying no orphan offered adoption has ever said no, and if he did, was dragged out of the orphanage, "made willing" as in The Theology? Somehow it seems doubtful.
Hi Mike

Adoption is just one more marvellous aspect of the vast amount of benefits that come to a sinner, when God forgives him, gives him eternal life, saves him from the consequence of his sins which is eternal punishement in hell.

Tell you what, bro, do a little experiment. Go out into the highways and hedges and find a starving, cold beggar-hobo, and offer him a hot meal or some money, and see if you can find one who refuses it. The only reason you imagine that an orphan is capable of refusing eternal life and adoption by God, is because you don't take into account the fact that the Holy Spirit can convince even a rich man that he is a pauper and a beggar before God. When a sinner is thus dealt with by the Spirit, he doesn't really see "an offer", because he sees himself as undeserving of any such thing from God; rather he will take much convincing that God really is "willing and able" to give him such blessings as money can never buy.

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News Item4/19/13 4:45 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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And to think he adopts us into his own royal family. Can you imagine an orphan choosing to be adopted and by whom? It's never been heard of in the natural world, and certainly does not occur in the spiritual world.
---
So John, are you saying no orphan offered adoption has ever said no, and if he did, was dragged out of the orphanage, "made willing" as in The Theology? Somehow it seems doubtful.
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News Item4/19/13 2:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dorcas wrote:
John UK,
Amen to your post below.
On Christ the solid rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand!!
That's it Dorcas, where "all other ground" really does mean "all other ground".

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 KJV
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

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News Item4/19/13 2:14 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Hmm, John U.K., an interesting statement. The article itself is rather interesting. From the comments of Eric Caner, which I don't agree with, and Albert Mohler's refusal to make any comments, which I also don't agree with.

Thinking of Romans 8
30 and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
33 Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies;
34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?---NASB

The Arminians are shot down. But Pastor Vine has a point, 'that any unity will be disrupted "when either view attacks the other or accuses it of being on the borderline of heresy."' A worthy point to make--for a denomination.

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News Item4/19/13 2:04 PM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
John UK,
Amen to your post below.
On Christ the solid rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand!!
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News Item4/19/13 12:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I mentioned it once before, maybe a month or so ago, but wanted to post it up again so that anyone who hasn't really had this, what I call, "epiphany", can really do some pondering because realizing this, and I mean really knowing and feeling it is quite different than just having the thought and general image in our heads of Christ dying for us.
Herein lies the difference between a nominal Christian and a real Christian. A real Christian comes to Christ directly, and appropriates by faith the salvation he has made him aware of. The strength of such a revelation may vary from time to time, but will always stay with the recipient. The Lord Jesus Christ becomes a real Friend and elder Brother, as well as "my Lord and my God".

Redemption is both accomplished by Christ and applied by Christ. It most assuredly proves his great love "wherewith he hath loved us".

The strongest love that we have should be reserved only for HIM, who loved us and gave himself for us. What a Friend we have in Jesus!

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News Item4/19/13 7:32 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I mentioned it once before, maybe a month or so ago, but wanted to post it up again so that anyone who hasn't really had this, what I call, "epiphany", can really do some pondering because realizing this, and I mean really knowing and feeling it is quite different than just having the thought and general image in our heads of Christ dying for us.
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News Item4/18/13 6:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Hey John
Love that text. I once preached from it. I'll see if I can dig out my notes and précis them for a posting.
Hey, just in time, as I am about to go hit a sack. I look forward to hearing the sermon. Let's see, "crucified with Christ" and dead and buried and risen - could be baptism by total immersion for the one coming to believe on Christ, symbolically represented by going under the waves, and being brought back up, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.

Catch you tomorrow, Deo Volente!

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News Item4/18/13 5:58 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
Yes indeed, I will amen to that. It is the greatest revelation in all the world.
Galatians 2:20 KJV
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gave himself for me! Oh joy!
Hey John

Love that text. I once preached from it. And it was particularly blessed. I'll see if I can dig out my notes and précis them for a posting.

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News Item4/18/13 5:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
How wonderful that is Chris. These moments of visitation are precious. Treasure them!
Yes indeed, I will amen to that. It is the greatest revelation in all the world.

Galatians 2:20 KJV
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gave himself for me! Oh joy!

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News Item4/18/13 5:09 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Christopher000 wrote:
I just recently came to comprehend that Christ died, personally, for me (Us). I'm not talking about just reading it and having the information, I'm talking about feeling like I was at the base of the cross with nobody else around; just me and him. I'm talking about Him looking down at me, with nobody else around for miles, and saying, "I'm doing this for you". Like, really personal. There is a big difference when considering the big picture as opposed to comprehending the event as a very personal experience. Hard to believe and imagine that God Himself knows us so personally, right down to how many hairs we have on our heads, etc.
How wonderful that is Chris. These moments of visitation are very precious. Treasure them!
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News Item4/18/13 4:43 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I just recently came to comprehend that Christ died, personally, for me (Us). I'm not talking about just reading it and having the information, I'm talking about feeling like I was at the base of the cross with nobody else around; just me and him. I'm talking about Him looking down at me, with nobody else around for miles, and saying, "I'm doing this for you". Like, really personal. There is a big difference when considering the big picture as opposed to comprehending the event as a very personal experience. Hard to believe and imagine that God Himself knows us so personally, right down to how many hairs we have on our heads, etc.
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News Item4/18/13 4:41 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks, LawB, for the reminder. I really haven't done much witnessing because I'm afraid I won't know what to say, how to respond to questions, etc. Honestly, I really don't know how to go about it yet and figure I'd blow it and maybe cause damage.
Anyway, the reminder was about never knowing what kind of effect we may have on someone down the road. Maybe some people need to be watered by 10 people before something begins to change within them. We never know how important a sentence, a smile, a prayer, or any sort of attempt to witness may be to someone somewhere down the road. You are right in that we should not expect results, but should rather do as much watering as we can to prepare them for their next watering.
I usually have better analogies...ha-ha. I'm listening to talk radio while typing this and my brain is smoking.
Ok then...thanks!
Good point, we sow, we water, but God must give the increase
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