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FRONT PAGE  |  7/29/2015
WEDNESDAY, APR 3, 2013  |  36 comments
Man gunned down after church service

Children screamed in terror and hid under the pews at Hiawatha Church of God in Christ on Sunday, witnesses said, as an Ashtabula man was shot and killed by his son just after the Easter service.

Richard Riddle, 52, was leaving the church on Hiawatha Street with his wife at about 1 p.m. when his son, 25-year-old Reshad Riddle, approached him and fired a single round from a handgun, instantly killing Richard, church associate pastor Sean Adams said.

“Witnesses at the scene said the shooter entered church and made some references to Allah, but we are not sure if that was a motive or if there was a family problem, Stell said. “We have no motive confirmed with family members. There is no indication that the father and son had a bad relationship. Everyone thinks this was very surprising.” ...


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News Item4/5/13 5:21 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Brian wrote:
Mike,
Reference please. Your selectivity is noted.
Wrong country, apologies. It's Norway.(Anders Breivik) And more appropriate to say Western World. There are worse mass killings if you include the whole world, take in hijackings and the Mao Tse types. If you check out the lists, it isn't confined to your selective generalization of Kyle's "evident hellhole." But I'll forgive your selectivity if you forgive mine.

Mass Killers

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News Item4/5/13 5:02 PM
Killem' all, let God sort'em | USA  Find all comments by Killem' all, let God sort'em
I find that attending church a very uplifting experience to prepare me for the week ahead. Not sure about guns in church. It does just feel wrong! I don't live in a "bad" area. Never had an incident in church. This gun discussion in the U.S. isn't going anywhere soon, is it?
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News Item4/5/13 12:50 PM
Brian  Find all comments by Brian
Kyle wrote:
Fair enough. I did change from "mass murder" to generic crime. I was irreverant, but I didn't attack you personally. Calling me "boy" was not ad hominem?
So, that said, have we found a line? Carrying a gun in church in anticipation of a mass murder is over the line in your opinion, but is it ok to carry in church in anticipation of, say, a single murder? theft? assault? where is your line?
Your calling me man was not ad hominem. It was simple rudeness, most easily addressed by illustration, which seems to have been effective. Your ad hominem was in the false accusation of "pretty naive" on dishonest grounds, but we have dealt with that.

I have never felt the need to carry a gun to protect my family, despite many years attending inner city churches.

I can understand why some might feel the need carry a gun in Baghdad and Tucson. However, I have only worshipped with Christian refugees from Baghdad, not Tucson. Have you considered moving?

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News Item4/5/13 12:26 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
Brian wrote:
Not at all, boy. Actually, it is pretty dishonest of you boy to move the goal posts.
You were talking about "mass murder" in church. Now you are shifting ground and engaging in ad hominem on the basis of not committing crimes at all. Calling
No, I have never come across a mass murder in church in my lifetime. That is not naïvety, but historical fact, boy.
Fair enough. I did change from "mass murder" to generic crime. I was irreverant, but I didn't attack you personally. Calling me "boy" was not ad hominem?

So, that said, have we found a line? Carrying a gun in church in anticipation of a mass murder is over the line in your opinion, but is it ok to carry in church in anticipation of, say, a single murder? theft? assault? where is your line?

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News Item4/5/13 12:19 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
I think we should not separate our conduct in a church setting from our conduct outside of a church setting. In other words, if it is okay to arm ourselves for protecting our love ones and others outside the church, then it is okay to arm ourselves from within what we call a gathering of believers. I personally see no distinction, but I can easily understand if others do. So, if I have a gun at home, then I should be willing to use it, if nothing else to protect my wife. Using that same philosophy, if I feel my wife or my brothers and sisters are at danger in a church setting, then I should have a gun and use it the same way I would use it if I was at home or for that matter anywhere. I know from previous threads that a good argument can be made either way on this issue, but this is my 2 cents.

The above does not take into account the law of the land, but just the philosophy of having guns and being willing to use them.

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News Item4/5/13 11:12 AM
Brian  Find all comments by Brian
Mike,
Reference please. Your selectivity is noted.
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News Item4/5/13 9:54 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Brian wrote:
Not at all, boy. Actually, it is pretty dishonest of you boy to move the goal posts.
You were talking about "mass murder" in church. Now you are shifting ground and engaging in ad hominem on the basis of not committing crimes at all.
No, I have never come across a mass murder in church in my lifetime. That is not naïvety, but historical fact, boy.
Boy, maybe you should follow through on your suggestion, and advise Kyle to move to the Netherlands, where the world record for mass murder is held...boy.
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News Item4/5/13 9:33 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Rufus wrote:
This would be most noble if executed, if the bad guy only shoots once and if you are fortunate enough or fast enough to position yourself in front of the bullet.
Rufus,
I respect your opinion. However, I feel its the Christian duty to be the killee not the killer. With all that said & if this does happen, that guy better have a high calibur weapon and not miss before I get my hands on him
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News Item4/5/13 9:25 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
SteveR wrote:
...One of my tasks might be to take the first bullet though....
This would be most noble if executed, if the bad guy only shoots once and if you are fortunate enough or fast enough to position yourself in front of the bullet.
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News Item4/5/13 8:34 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Kyle wrote:
Yes, packing a .38 during the Lord's Prayer is perfectly acceptable, unless you can get the rest of the world to agree to not commit mass murder while you're saying it. You'd just cower and call in the help of policeman's gun, right? Would you prefer to just have a whistle to blow?
Hey, maybe that should have been in the list of suggestions recently given in Colorado on how you should ward off a rapist, after you pee yourself and puke on command!
Good Morning Kyle
That might be your calling, but not mine....You see...I'm immortal until I have completed my tasks set for me here on this fallen earth. Unlike Rufus, & while Im an excellent shot, one of my duties isnt to get into a gunfight at Church where innocents could be struck by MY bullets via ricochet or mistake. Im not a vessel created for dishonour. Even well trained police will hit bystanders in a gunfight. And certainly not as we pray 'Thy Kingdom Come Thy Will be done on Earth as in Heaven.' One of my tasks might be to take the first bullet though. Oh by the way, anyone wicked enough to rape you kyle, might enjoy it more if you wet yourself first
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News Item4/5/13 1:21 AM
Brian  Find all comments by Brian
Kyle wrote:
Pretty naive, man. Do they have police where you are, or has everyone agreed to not commit crimes?
Not at all, boy. Actually, it is pretty dishonest of you boy to move the goal posts.

You were talking about "mass murder" in church. Now you are shifting ground and engaging in ad hominem on the basis of not committing crimes at all.

No, I have never come across a mass murder in church in my lifetime. That is not naïvety, but historical fact, boy.

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News Item4/5/13 1:07 AM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
Brian wrote:
In most countries that can be reasonably assumed.
Pretty naive, man. Do they have police where you are, or has everyone agreed to not commit crimes?

Solla Sollew ("where they never have troubles, at least very few") must be pretty nice.

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News Item4/5/13 12:08 AM
joe lee | usa  Find all comments by joe lee
Brian:
To say just find some safe place to move does not really answer the question at hand -- what should we as churches do when faced with the risk of an unpredictable and violent attack?
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News Item4/4/13 11:13 PM
Hot Rod Nate | Indiana  Find all comments by Hot Rod Nate
I'm moving.
Soon as my Master calls for me to join him.
;-)
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News Item4/4/13 9:15 PM
Brian  Find all comments by Brian
Kyle wrote:
unless you can get the rest of the world to agree to not commit mass murder
In most countries that can be reasonably assumed.

I am sorry you live in such an evident hellhole. Have you considered moving?

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News Item4/4/13 6:55 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
SteveR wrote:
Yet packing a 38 during the Lords prayer is just fine?
Yes, packing a .38 during the Lord's Prayer is perfectly acceptable, unless you can get the rest of the world to agree to not commit mass murder while you're saying it. You'd just cower and call in the help of policeman's gun, right? Would you prefer to just have a whistle to blow?

Hey, maybe that should have been in the list of suggestions recently given in Colorado on how you should ward off a rapist, after you pee yourself and puke on command!

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News Item4/4/13 5:59 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Rufus wrote:
. Does a strong, Christian, man duck under the pew, reach for his cell phone or defend the innocent?
That depends how scared we are
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News Item4/4/13 5:00 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
SteveR wrote:
Thank you for the honest answer
If the Garden of Gethsemane was in Texas, that servant of the High Priest would have lost more than an ear though
As with all things it is important to understand God's timing and circumstances in each given situation. Clearly, there is a time for martyrdom as demonstrated by Stephen and others. Clearly, there is a time to put up thy sword as in the garden. Yet, there is a time to buy a sword a time to bear the sword and I believe a time to use the sword. What's the right play? If some gentleman comes into a church with a gun and yells Ally, Ally, Admiral Akhbar and threatens to put a bullet in a brother or a sister or their children. Does a strong, Christian, man duck under the pew, reach for his cell phone or defend the innocent?
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News Item4/4/13 4:07 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Rufus wrote:
What can I say...I like life.
Caffeine is bad for you.
Alcoholic wine is bad for you.
Aspirin is bad for you.
Lead poisoning is bad for you.
All should be contended against.
"And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough." - Luke 22:38
(Stated shortly after partaking of the passover)
Thank you for the honest answer

If the Garden of Gethsemane was in Texas, that servant of the High Priest would have lost more than an ear though

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News Item4/4/13 3:33 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
SteveR wrote:
Let me get this straight Rufus
You have a concern with coffee before Service
Wine during Service
Aspirin After Service
Yet packing a 38 during the Lords Prayer is just fine?
What can I say...I like life.

Caffeine is bad for you.
Alcoholic wine is bad for you.
Aspirin is bad for you.
Lead poisoning is bad for you.
All should be contended against.

"And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough." - Luke 22:38

(Stated shortly after partaking of the passover)

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