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Brewing trouble: Christian group urges stock dump over Starbucks gay marriage support

Offended by the decision of Starbucks chief Howard Schultz to support gay marriage, a Christian organization is seconding the CEO’s demand that Christian shareholders sell their stock in the ubiquitous coffee chain.

“Christians and pro-family groups across the United States have contributed significantly to the economic success of Starbucks,” said American Family Association President Tim Wildmon in a statement. “However, we can certainly honor Mr. Shultz’s request to take our business elsewhere.” ...


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News Item3/30/13 8:36 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
jpw wrote:
... is it a spiritual weakness...
I believe man was made in the likeness and image of God and in so much as God is one in three (the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost) man is likewise tripartite (body, soul and spirit).

It is the responsibility of man to live a life towards perfection.

Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

We ought to strive towards perfection in all three areas body, soul and spirit.

The spirit is the realm of the mind or intellect, the soul is the realm of emotion and the body is of course these vessels we inhabit.

Each of these realms will blend into the other. For example, if one is sickly (flesh), it is harder for him to think clearly (spirit) and it may make him impatient with folks or uncharitable (soul).

Looking from another angle we have an adversary who wants us fully dead. If he can get believers to die before their time because of their sedentary lifestyle or the poisons they consume then the victory goes to the devil.

There's more to be said on the topic but the short answer is yes, it is a spiritual weakness to abuse the temple of God and the curse causeless shall not come.

Appreciate your spirit and light JPW. May God Bless

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News Item3/30/13 12:21 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Rufus: "Caffeine is the most popular and widely used drug"

good point

Rufus: "Being high on a stimulant does not equate to being given up to a sound mind for the caffeine messes with ones mind and emotions"

yes, and a drain on the adrenals, which leads to all sorts of troubles.

Rufus: "Caffeine has addictive properties"

yes, and dependence increases as foods get worse and people get sicker to draw energy from the injection of caffeine throughout the day.

Rufus: "Caffeine stresses the immune system and in these perilous times, where toxins abound...:

yes, and match up a team of sugar filled caffeine drinking men to a team of men eating grass fed meats, raw fermented milks and butters and farm fresh eggs to tug of war. the second will win hands down. the farm fresh diet is an inheritance the other, a fastly approaching tragedy.

raw milk never was the problem. it was the early puberty inducing hormones and now possibly aspartame (given to us by same company that brought us gm seed), the overly pasteurized, non-fermented milks that do not contain the enzymes and cultures for digestion.

Rufus, can you define spiritually the issue of a people that exchanges their foods for the synthetics? is it a spiritual weakness or a peripheral issue in your eyes?

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News Item3/30/13 11:18 AM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
I must confess, I enjoy a good cup of coffee from Starbucks. But you have to remember, I served 6 years in the U.S. Army. I think that is where bitter coffee was invented!!
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News Item3/29/13 3:18 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Rufus, ah, you copied my comment so just read about the side effects of willow bark. If a person has Reyes syndrome, I would think he would have very unpleasant reaction to willow bark, as he would to aspirin. But, just a little more information, An Aspirin a Day ... or Not?
From your posted article...
"When you take aspirin, the level of stomach protection is decreased and you're more likely to bleed. Thus, people who take aspirin regularly -- even in a buffered or coated form -- will have roughly double the likelihood of having a perforated ulcer or bleeding in the GI tract," explains Fendrick. "Relatively little attention is paid to this problem that kills more people in the U.S. each year than asthma or cervical cancer. What we need to do is focus less attention on finding more things that make aspirin look good, we have plenty of those, and think more about focusing on how to minimize risk."

Why would you consume something that kills more people than asthma and cervical cancer?

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News Item3/29/13 2:45 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Rufus, ah, you copied my comment so just read about the side effects of willow bark. If a person has Reyes syndrome, I would think he would have very unpleasant reaction to willow bark, as he would to aspirin. But, just a little more information, An Aspirin a Day ... or Not?
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News Item3/29/13 2:29 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The better idea is not to patronize Starbucks. Probably many of you don't own Starbucks anyway, but may have one of their dens of iniquity by you.
Yes, taking a natural cure is acetylsalicylic acid, but of course willow bark might kill you like it did Beethoven, q.v., Willow Bark Side Effects and Safety. I prefer my bark has "Bayer" stamped on it so it's bite won't be worse than it's bark.
If you cared about side effects you wouldn't consume aspirin. Besides Willow Bark is where aspirin comes from, but the pharma companies have to modify it sufficient to patent it and when they do, they add lethal side effects to it. I prefer Willow Bark as God made it, not as man has tainted it.

Aspirin kills 400% more people than H1N1 swine flu

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News Item3/29/13 2:10 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The better idea is not to patronize Starbucks. Probably many of you don't own Starbucks anyway, but may have one of their dens of iniquity by you.

Yes, taking a natural cure is acetylsalicylic acid, but of course willow bark might kill you like it did Beethoven, q.v., Willow Bark Side Effects and Safety. I prefer my bark has "Bayer" stamped on it so it's bite won't be worse than it's bark.

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News Item3/29/13 1:48 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
JamesC: What do you do for a splitting headache?
Rufus: Peppermint Essential Oils or White Willow Bark

J: Do you use salt...?
R: I use Himalayan salt - salt is a good Bible food

Job 6:6 - Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?

J:Some folks say that dairy is bad for you too.
R: Some folks lack God's wisdom

Genesis 18:8 - And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

J: Slipper slope into legalism (though I'm sure you believe salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone).
R: You are correct in that these matters have nothing to do with eternal salvation but much to do with sanctification.

J: God determines when we die.
R: Yet one can die before God's appointed time.

Ecclesiastes 7:17 - Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

J:...The health nut vegan can drop dead anytime as much as the non-vegan that exercises little.
R:"Health nut vegans" are not very healthy

Luke 15:23 - And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

Thanks for your comments, grace and peace to ya.

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News Item3/29/13 1:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
jamesc wrote:
God determines when we die.
Hi James, I have met a lot of believers who say that. But then they go to their GP for pills, BP tests, cholesterol checks, cancer checks, the list is endless. Then if they have something wrong, which could be fatal, they accept the GP's advice, take as many pills as necessary, or undergo surgery, just to give them a few more years of life.

A few more years of life?

Am I missing something?

But then they say that GP's are a gift of God, as much as caffeine and nicotine, neither of which the human body is designed to utilise, and cannot utilise.

It's a mystery to me that wise Christian folks can come out with such strange conclusions about the things we take into the body.

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News Item3/29/13 1:22 PM
jamesc | Fallbrook, CA  Find all comments by jamesc
Rufus wrote:
Christians should not do drugs...moderately or in abundance.
...
What do you do for a splitting headache? Do you use salt (sodium-chloride)? It is addictive. Some folks say that dairy is bad for you too. Slipper slope into legalism (though I'm sure you believe salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone).

This kind of viewpoint on foods and what God has provided (in moderation) can lead to anxiety (calorie counting, hypochondriac, etc). ahh! Is what I'm eating killing me?

God determines when we die. What we eat or do may or may not speed up that process. The health nut vegan can drop dead anytime as much as the non-vegan that exercises little.

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News Item3/29/13 1:03 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
jpw wrote:
... or whatever else the Lord provides. (including coffee in moderate amounts)...
Christians should not do drugs...moderately or in abundance.

"Caffeine is the most popular and widely used drug in the world." - http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/drug-facts/caffeine

"It [caffeine] is a drug, and actually shares a number of traits with more notorious drugs such as amphetamines, cocaine and heroin." - http://www.howstuffworks.com/caffeine1.htm

"Caffeine is a drug which comes from the leaves, beans or nuts of different plants." - http://www0.health.nsw.gov.au/factsheets/drugandalcohol/caffeine.html

Being high on a stimulant does not equate to being given up to a sound mind for the caffeine messes with ones mind and emotions.

Caffeine has addictive properties and Christians should not expose themselves to being brought under the power of anything even if perchance caffeine was lawful.

Caffeine stresses the immune system and in these perilous times, where toxins abound, we ought not be taxing our immune systems further with caffeine.

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News Item3/29/13 12:42 PM
jamesc | Fallbrook, CA  Find all comments by jamesc
The poster formerly known as Russ wrote:
Save yourself a lot of money and go buy a coffee maker or espresso machine and then donate the rest to a missionary
That's exactly what I do. I don't feel like paying $2-5 for a cup of coffee. I can easily make my own. I'll get Starbucks only if I'm desperate.
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News Item3/29/13 11:09 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
how far do we take this?

we take our money to local farmers to keep the real foods going. and we make growing food accessible in our neighborhoods and trade our summer vegetables with one another with a cup of lemonade, or whatever else the Lord provides. (including coffee in moderate amounts)

u.s. is up to 87% gmo (the gay seeds) and the coorporations which are merging with gov are taking. and across nation, raw milk and heirloom seed growers are in court, and some swat teamed.

if evangelicals took their money to local growers where accountability was directly between buyer and seller, the structure of agenda 21, forming before our eyes, would be slowed to a halt.

this is why raw milk providers are under intense pressure and regulation.

sooner or later, I believe my sisters and brothers will understand this.

why are we putting stock money into stbks and not supporting our local farmers?? because we think wealth is in the wall street model. and look how the associates of our private investors, who own the FED, have treated Cyprus money -- the people of Cyprus are responsible for banking debt to have their savings taken? cutting off the foot to feed our face is what we've been doing.

as they used to say, put your money where your mouth is.

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News Item3/29/13 10:26 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Starbucks coffee is horrid anyway . Tried it once . Never again. All you see at a Starbucks is a lefty progressive liberal politically correct super soft sensitive types anyhow .
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News Item3/29/13 9:00 AM
The poster formerly known as Russ | Texas  Find all comments by The poster formerly known as Russ
It's really pretty simple and Paul even covers it in his meat sacrificed to idols discussion. Since you obviously don't know where every dollar you spend goes, that's ok. But as soon as you do know, you have crossed the ignorant line and must follow your conscience. For me, if I have an option to shop at a place that supports my values, then I will go there. If I'm left with no option then I do what I have to do. By the way, when did designer coffee become a necessity. Save yourself a lot of money and go buy a coffee maker or espresso machine and then donate the rest to a missionary
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News Item3/29/13 8:57 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Rufus
Starbucks should be an easy one to boycott. Christians should not be getting high on caffeine anyway.
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News Item3/29/13 8:21 AM
Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
We live in Podunk, NoWhere out west. We have two grocery stores and would have to drive over an hour and a half to shop anywhere else. One chain stories is openly supportive and friendly to the LGBT community - a set of friends refused to this shop there. Their call.

However, when the second store turned over the store management position to a ravenously gay man, they got their panties in a twist! Now what?!

Like Scott said, how far do you take this? My husband and I will not purposely support any group that is against Christ's laws. But we pay property taxes - funding abortions... This is a slippery slope since whomever we hand money to is a sinner and who may be unrepentant.

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News Item3/29/13 8:12 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Scott McMahan wrote:
How far do you take this boycott? If you sell your shares, you will get US dollars, and then you will own a stake in the US government, which engages in activities you probably object to. Anywhere you put your money will have some sort of similar objection.
(Remember, if you do boycott, Starbucks is in the S&P 500, so you'll also have to divest any index funds that mirror it.)
There's a better reason to boycott Starbucks anyway. The coffee is second rate and bitter, imo. Give me a Dunkin, Panera, or Tim Hortons
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News Item3/29/13 6:35 AM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Protected NameFind all comments by Scott McMahan
How far do you take this boycott? If you sell your shares, you will get US dollars, and then you will own a stake in the US government, which engages in activities you probably object to. Anywhere you put your money will have some sort of similar objection.

(Remember, if you do boycott, Starbucks is in the S&P 500, so you'll also have to divest any index funds that mirror it.)

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