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TUESDAY, MAR 26, 2013  |  18 comments
Prominent Arab Convert to Christianity Leaves Catholic Church Over Its ‘Weakness’ on Islam

In a shocking display that does not bode well for the Catholic Church and its stance on defending the multitudes of Christians currently being persecuted in Islamic countries, Magdi Christiano Allam, a prominent covert from Islam to Christianity, has left the Catholicism. He reasoned that he could not abide the church’s “weakness” and policy of appeasement towards Islam.

The Egyptian-born Allam, who publicly converted in St. Peter’s Basilica on Easter 2008 with the oversight of Pope Benedict XVI himself, renounced his Catholicism because, in his view, the church legitimizes a religion that is “inherently violent” to people of all walks, including fellow Muslims. ...


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Cliff Leckey | N. Ireland  Find all comments by Cliff Leckey
Grace wrote:
You are liars and you are spiritually abusive people.
All Jesus said of you is true.
That`s very strong Grace.
Would you not reconsider.
You can`t lump us all together after all what about John Y?
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News Item3/27/13 1:47 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Cliff Leckey wrote:
All the big stores are in Belfast & surrounding areas. We go to Co. Leitrim every year in my RV & like you say,the locals are very friendly as long as you don`t wave the Union Flag in their face (with the history,understandable).Like you say,wet a windy.the 40 shades of green need it!. "Staunchly Catholic" but after the ongoing child abuse scandals there has been something of a "cooling of the ardor" by "the faithful". Don`t know the figures but many are "nominally" RC and never practice.
Visit Ulster instead with your hard earned cash while it`s worth Something as we`ll soon be papering the house with it!
Thanks for that info Cliff. Do you really have RV's in NI rather than campervans?

Maybe the south is getting ripe for a harvest, as peoples' spiritual hopes are being dashed by the Catholics.

Maybe one day I'll pay a visit. The terminal for the ferry to Rosslare is not so far from me, and I'll leave the red dragon at home on your advice.

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News Item3/27/13 1:23 PM
Cliff Leckey | N. Ireland  Find all comments by Cliff Leckey
John UK wrote:
Do you have decent shops in NI? In all my life, I've never crossed the sea to visit north or south. Have you been to the south? Some say it is the most beautiful country, even though wet and windy. But apparently very friendly, even though staunchly Catholic.
All the big stores are in Belfast & surrounding areas. We go to Co. Leitrim every year in my RV & like you say,the locals are very friendly as long as you don`t wave the Union Flag in their face (with the history,understandable).Like you say,wet a windy.the 40 shades of green need it!. "Staunchly Catholic" but after the ongoing child abuse scandals there has been something of a "cooling of the ardor" by "the faithful". Don`t know the figures but many are "nominally" RC and never practice.
Visit Ulster instead with your hard earned cash while it`s worth Something as we`ll soon be papering the house with it!
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News Item3/27/13 7:13 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Found you out writes:
Grace wrote:
You are liars and you are spiritually abusive people.
All Jesus said of you is true.
SteveR you're an utter disgrace! Always maligning the saints of God and exalting the devils disciples.

So Grace was really SteveR?

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News Item3/27/13 5:37 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Thanks to Frank and SC for getting me up to speed on dominionism; I believe this was what Presbyterianism was all about in its early days. I don't think it's worth any research on my part, now I know the basics, at least I'll be able to recognise it. But I don't see how it will progress without having a solid group or denomination.

Cliff Leckey wrote:
Grace, the bags here have a charge in the supermarkets so give john UK another suggestion.
I'd already got my jute shopping bag, Cliff. It is very strong, and I can stick my head in it without suffocating, because it is breathable. I actually bought it from Tesco before my boycott came into play. I've not been to Tesco now for a long time. Do you have decent shops in NI? In all my life, I've never crossed the sea to visit north or south. Have you been to the south? Some say it is the most beautiful country, even though wet and windy. But apparently very friendly, even though staunchly Catholic.
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News Item3/27/13 5:00 AM
Found you out  Find all comments by Found you out
Grace wrote:
You are liars and you are spiritually abusive people.
All Jesus said of you is true.
SteveR you're an utter disgrace! Always maligning the saints of God and exalting the devils disciples.
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News Item3/27/13 2:08 AM
Grace  Find all comments by Grace
You are liars and you are spiritually abusive people.

All Jesus said of you is true.

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News Item3/26/13 10:25 PM
power  Find all comments by power
Who is the biggest living dominionist/threat to Christianity?

SC wrote:
Hey John,
Up late with kidney stone pain!
Google Christian Reconstruction or Theonomy and you will get the story. Rushdoony (a Presbyterian) championed this and it took roots in Presbyterianism [one could ask what doesn't? ]in the 60s and has grown considerably. The Paleo Presbys love it. Imagine what they could do to the Baptists if they succeeded!
It has also evolved a little and spread to Charismaticism in a slightly different form since the 80s.
Essentially those who hold these views believe that it is the duty of Christians to conquer and create a worldwide kingdom: in the case of Theonomists, patterned after the Mosaic Law. They wish to conquer all lands and make them like OT Israel viz. a theocracy.
Never mind that Christ said my kingdom is not of this world!!
Dr Masters wrote a book critiquing the movement. The blurb about the book (still available) states, "‘Reconstructionism’ claims that Christians have a mandate to secure dominion over the world, bringing society under the authority of the civil laws of Moses. This book points out the mistakes which have carried the movement far from orthodoxy"
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News Item3/26/13 8:48 PM
SC | UK  Find all comments by SC
John UK wrote:
I know nothing about a Christian movement which is dominionist. Could you give a bit more info on that..
Hey John,

Up late with kidney stone pain!

Google Christian Reconstruction or Theonomy and you will get the story. Rushdoony (a Presbyterian) championed this and it took roots in Presbyterianism [one could ask what doesn't? ]in the 60s and has grown considerably. The Paleo Presbys love it. Imagine what they could do to the Baptists if they succeeded!

It has also evolved a little and spread to Charismaticism in a slightly different form since the 80s.

Essentially those who hold these views believe that it is the duty of Christians to conquer and create a worldwide kingdom: in the case of Theonomists, patterned after the Mosaic Law. They wish to conquer all lands and make them like OT Israel viz. a theocracy.

Never mind that Christ said my kingdom is not of this world!!

Dr Masters wrote a book critiquing the movement. The blurb about the book (still available) states, "‘Reconstructionism’ claims that Christians have a mandate to secure dominion over the world, bringing society under the authority of the civil laws of Moses. This book points out the mistakes which have carried the movement far from orthodoxy"

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News Item3/26/13 8:32 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Hey Pilgrim! Sorry I read this so late as you are likely in bed. There are lots of different nuances to the dominionist movement, so it is sort of hard to define, but I will try. They believe they have to Christianize the world and then Christ will come back. The problem is in order for them to proceed, they have to be friends with the world, regardless of what they say. So, if they want to Christianize a government, then they have to have Christian politicians in government, etc. Now, in order for a politician to be elected in a fallen world, they have to compromise. But, the dominionist will gladly do that because in order to be relevant, they have to be part of whatever group they are trying to Christianize. Most know the Muslims seek world dominion; some know the RCC did that during the middle ages, but there a movement within Christian circles; "mostly" Pentecostal, the Vatican and Charismatics, but it is in all denominations.

Google Christian dominionist movements; some links are good, some aren't. I call them Christian politicians since they are the opposite of a Pilgrim.

Morals become more important to them then theology. In order for them to succeed, they have to join force like ecuminicalism.

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News Item3/26/13 7:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Everyone knows that Muslims are dominionists; some know the RCC are, but most don't realize there is a Christian movement that seeks the same thing.
Pilgrim, you've got my attention on this one for sure, as I know nothing about a Christian movement which is dominionist. Could you give a bit more info on that, like where these folks are? Or what denomination they belong to? Thanks.
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News Item3/26/13 6:30 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
Good quote, Jim.
Frank, the post was confusing for me as well. However, I did know what AWANA was because, believe it or not, one of my foster families were two of the founders. They are still going around getting new chapters started today.
I knew that AWANA was a program for youth or children in churches, but I didn't know what the acronym stood for. I still think I was right about his post, but since he didn't respond, I will never know. But, clearly this fellow from the article has no genuine testimony that I could ascertain? Everyone knows that Muslims are dominionists; some know the RCC are, but most don't realize there is a Christian movement that seeks the same thing. I always react to that sort of thing since that is one of my points of interest and one that I frequently criticize. Dominionism by whatever name they want to call it is -
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News Item3/26/13 4:21 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Good quote, Jim.

Frank, the post was confusing for me as well. However, I did know what AWANA was because, believe it or not, one of my foster families were two of the founders. They are still going around getting new chapters started today.

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News Item3/26/13 2:07 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike Gendron wrote:
Nearly 50 years ago, Roman Catholic Bishop Fulton Sheen predicted that Islam would be converted to Catholicism "through a summoning of the Moslems to a veneration of the Mother of God." He reasoned, "The Koran...has many passages concerning the Blessed Virgin. First of all, the Koran believes in her Immaculate Conception and also in her Virgin Birth. Mary, then, is for the Moslems the true Sayyida, or Lady." 1 More recently in a 1998 message to Islamic leaders, Pope John Paul II declared a unity of spirit already exists. He said, "There remains a spiritual bond which unites us and which we must strive to recognize and develop."
even in sermons like Is the World's Problem with Israel? I don't remember Gil pointed out the Inadequacy of Islam. I think he may have had one sermon specifically about Islam, but he looked at the bigger picture in most cases, you probably have to go to Mike Gendron to see, articles about Understanding Islam and Roman Catholicism. But thanks Frank and Mike! I like your comments.
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News Item3/26/13 12:54 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Baptist Crusades wrote:
Sounds like he wants another round of crusades. Should have bothered to check the CCC before joining. The RCC apparently has its belly full of that. Perhaps he could contact IHCC and lead their A.W.A.N.A.s to recapture the Holy Land.
Now I will admit that your post is a little confusing, at least for us old folks. But if you are saying that this fellow is simply following some sort of dominionist theology instead of the gospel of our Lord, then I tend to agree with you. I only skimmed the article and it seemed to me this fellow left the RCC; not because their overall theology was bad, but because a segment of it was false? STOP USING SO MANY ACRONYMS. "PLEASE"
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News Item3/26/13 10:30 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Baptist Crusades wrote:
Sounds like he wants

Perhaps he could contact IHCC and lead their A.W.A.N.A.s to recapture the Holy Land.

BC
I have no idea who you are or what kind of a Baptist church you might attend or not STILL IMHO you have seriously missed what one might get out of this news report.

Now since you mentioned AWANA (approved workmen are not ashamed) let me gently remind you:

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the Lord
( which is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom, something prophecied the Messiah Himself delights in, Isa 11:3)
is to hate evil;
Pride and arrogance and the evil way
And the perverse mouth I hate.

And let's be thoroughly honest here, both Roman Catholicism and Islam are enormously evil false religions, who according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church CCC 841 adore the same God.

And why shouldn't someone hate the evil of false relgions? after all Jesus Christ Himself loves righteousness and hates iniquity, and in genuine love for us
died to save us from our sins not coddle us in them.

People with any sense ought to leave churches that coddle sin and false teachings, and people do that don't they

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News Item3/26/13 7:21 AM
Baptist Crusades  Find all comments by Baptist Crusades
Sounds like he wants another round of crusades. Should have bothered to check the CCC before joining. The RCC apparently has its belly full of that. Perhaps he could contact IHCC and lead their A.W.A.N.A.s to recapture the Holy Land.
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News Item3/26/13 6:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Good for him...it CAN be done. I hope this leads him on his way to also realizing that the Roman Catholic church was/is anti-Bible and ends up leading him to the truth.
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