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SUNDAY, MAR 24, 2013  |  205 comments  |  2 commentaries
FAU student says he was suspended for not 'stepping on Jesus'

A student at Florida Atlantic University's campus in Davie says he couldn't believe what he and his fellow students were asked to do by their instructor three weeks ago.

Ryan Rotela, a junior from Coral Springs at FAU, said what happened was an insult to his intelligence.

He said the instructor in his Intercultural Communications class at FAU told everyone in the class to take out a piece of paper, write the word JESUS on it in bold letters, and then put the paper on the floor and stomp on it. ...


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News Item3/31/13 3:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
beneath wrote:
It isn't! I just came on site with one alternative as you and others seemed to be attacking from the presumption of theological superiority, instead of appreciating God's sovereignty in the saving of the elect wherever HE might ordain they exist.

Thankyou for your Christian debate.

Beneath, it is difficult for you to come into a debate halfway through, and I appreciate that, and am willing to make allowances.

If you check through all my posts, you will see that I allowed for the salvation of God's elect, even if they are found within the skirts of popery.

But while you are checking my posts, you will see that I also believe in the revelation of God to his new child, steering them and leading them and guiding them, by his Spirit. With this in mind, I said that even one who knows little theology, as I myself when I was converted, will be led into the truth and away from error.

Regarding your words "presumption of theological superiority", I would rather apply that to the RCC, the office of the infallible pope, and councils like Trent, which anathematises you if you are a Christian by faith alone in Christ alone. I hope you can see what I mean.

My thanks to you, also.

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News Item3/31/13 2:41 PM
Laughable  Find all comments by Laughable
beneath wrote:
Indeed one of the commentators below posts from unChristian and satanic insolence. How sad that these religious reprobates fulfil the accusation of Matt 7:21-23.
Remember
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Duh! Mr Holier than Thou, you're doing the very same thing which you think you see in others and find so detestable!

In the first paragraph of your post you make an accusation. Care to substantiate it?

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News Item3/31/13 2:09 PM
beneath  Find all comments by beneath
John UK wrote:
Why is it so important to you that people on this protestant website acknowledge that there are some of God's blood-bought people within the folds of the RCC?
It isn't! I just came on site with one alternative as you and others seemed to be attacking from the presumption of theological superiority, instead of appreciating God's sovereignty in the saving of the elect wherever HE might ordain they exist.

Indeed one of the commentators below posts from unChristian and satanic insolence. How sad that these religious reprobates fulfil the accusation of Matt 7:21-23.

Remember
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Lloyd-Jones's point was don't condemn the individual, - But do condemn the RCC "system" and defend from Scripture.

Thankyou for your Christian debate.

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News Item3/31/13 7:13 AM
Watchman  Find all comments by Watchman
Wow, the threads that speak to Roman Catholic errors have been busy!!

Looks like the Jesuits have woken up to defend their darling 'church' and their new Jesuit Pope!

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News Item3/31/13 6:09 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
beneath wrote:
Your assumption is still that all the elect are theologically proficient enough to discern the vital differences between RCC theology and Reformed.
I guess you must be convinced that God does not save the lesser mortals who do not have the intellectual expertise to perceive the essential polemics of this theological dispute.
Beneath, your guesswork is way off beam.

When I was born again and saved through the gospel message, I knew no Christians and I could not tell the difference between a RCC and a Methodist. In fact, I asked someone what the difference was, and they did not know.

So what did I do? Flounder about in my theological ineptitude? Far from it. I began preaching the same gospel to make another Christian. And a friend of mine was converted. He said we ought to seek out a church, and I asked him which one. He said that he didn't know, but that we ought to ask our new Lord. And so we did. And he led us to the one gospel-preaching church in our town, an independent (Reformed) church. You see how reconciliation with God works?

Now why is it so important to you that folks on this forum agree that there are blood-bought believers within the RCC fold? Honest answer, please.

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News Item3/31/13 3:15 AM
Poster  Find all comments by Poster
Thats really good to hear Lurker because Christians who condemn others are not under grace themselves. Since all are born into darkness all are in need of light. The darkness is not a obstacle to God who is Light.

Besides no one can condemn another who has assurance of faith, their condemnation is made irrelevant.

Grace and Peace to you.

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News Item3/31/13 2:02 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Poster wrote:
Yes but you were always going to do that.
I'm happy with the understanding I have. Men live in darkness until they see the light.
I'm not sure what you are getting now so don't bother to reply - I won't.
Don't bother accusing me of not being saved or anything - I have assurance.
I don't know who can or can not potentially come into the light from their position of darkness but as far as I am aware the offer of grace has not been removed yet. Anyone living in darkness is a candidate for seeing the light I think.
No condemnation from me.

I suspect you got caught up unawares in a discussion that has been ongoing intermittently for a couple months. It happens.

Thanks for the exchange and blessings.

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News Item3/31/13 1:40 AM
Poster  Find all comments by Poster
Lurker wrote:
Jesus is seated on the right hand of the majesty on high.
Now what? Hint: He appointed means. And so I come back to the same question yet again. Are the appointed means to obtain "so great salvation" to be found in the RCC?
Yes but you were always going to do that.
I'm happy with the understanding I have. Men live in darkness until they see the light.
I'm not sure what you are getting now so don't bother to reply - I won't.
Don't bother accusing me of not being saved or anything - I have assurance.
I don't know who can or can not potentially come into the light from their position of darkness but as far as I am aware the offer of grace has not been removed yet. Anyone living in darkness is a candidate for seeing the light I think.
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News Item3/31/13 1:25 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Poster wrote:
My point? That it is only people who walk in darkness who can see a great light.
No church, denomination or race have the light. The light comes to people who live in darkness. Not from people of any church or religion to another.
Jesus is the light. He is a light to the nations - not a light in a nation. Or a church. People who live in darkness, such as RC's and many probably in your own church, still live in darkness.
Jesus is seated on the right hand of the majesty on high.

Now what? Hint: He appointed means. And so I come back to the same question yet again. Are the appointed means to obtain "so great salvation" to be found in the RCC?

2Cr 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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News Item3/31/13 1:05 AM
Poster  Find all comments by Poster
The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. (Isa 9:1-2)

My point? That it is only people who walk in darkness who can see a great light.
No church, denomination or race have the light. The light comes to people who live in darkness. Not from people of any church or religion to another.
Jesus is the light. He is a light to the nations - not a light in a nation. Or a church. People who live in darkness, such as RC's and many probably in your own church, still live in darkness.

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News Item3/31/13 12:52 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Poster wrote:
A people who lived in darkness have seen a great light ... Isaiah.
Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. (Isa 9:1-2)

Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying....

The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

.... From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Mat 4:12-17 c.f. Isaiah 9:1-2)

Fulfilled when Jesus began to preach. "God with us" was the great light.

Your point?

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News Item3/31/13 12:23 AM
Poster  Find all comments by Poster
Lurker wrote:
I asked: "Am I to assume, then, that it is your firm belief and argument that the uncorrupted gospel Paul preached, Christ crucified, shines forth from the RCC?Then how, pray tell, can anyone (SteveR, Martyn Lloyd-Jones, you (?)) assert that blood bought, born again Christians can be found in the RCC? Is there another means of salvation? Is the answer a secret??Exactly. Everyone can toss about their opinions and accuse whoever doesn't agree as being reprobate or someone can step up to the plate and give a biblical explanation of how saving light can shine forth from darkness.
What are you going to do?
A people who lived in darkness have seen a great light ... Isaiah.
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News Item3/30/13 10:18 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
I asked: "Am I to assume, then, that it is your firm belief and argument that the uncorrupted gospel Paul preached, Christ crucified, shines forth from the RCC?
beneath wrote:
No.
Then how, pray tell, can anyone (SteveR, Martyn Lloyd-Jones, you (?)) assert that blood bought, born again Christians can be found in the RCC? Is there another means of salvation? Is the answer a secret??
beneath wrote:
ps: This debate has been about whether there are any of God's elect in the RCC as suggested by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones.
Exactly. Everyone can toss about their opinions and accuse whoever doesn't agree as being reprobate or someone can step up to the plate and give a biblical explanation of how saving light can shine forth from darkness.

What are you going to do?

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News Item3/30/13 6:09 PM
Beneath contempt  Find all comments by Beneath contempt
beneath wrote:
Christians don't use insults like this.
What religion are you from?
I was calling it as it was. If you had not been so dumb, I would not have said so.

But you're still persisting!

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News Item3/30/13 6:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
beneath wrote:
Your assumption is still that all the elect are theologically proficient enough to discern the vital differences between RCC theology and Reformed.
Beneath, I wonder if you would answer honestly my following question?

Why is it so important to you that people on this protestant website acknowledge that there are some of God's blood-bought people within the folds of the RCC?

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News Item3/30/13 5:56 PM
beneath  Find all comments by beneath
John UK wrote:
Sure. If a believer was in the RCC, they would know that everyone else was unconverted, and they would not be able to enjoy any fellowship, because continual arguments would ensue
Your assumption is still that all the elect are theologically proficient enough to discern the vital differences between RCC theology and Reformed.
I guess you must be convinced that God does not save the lesser mortals who do not have the intellectual expertise to perceive the essential polemics of this theological dispute.
Isn't that philosophy from the arminian theory?

Beneath contempt wrote:
Duh! How dumb!
Christians don't use insults like this.
What religion are you from?

Lurker wrote:
Am I to assume, then, that it is your firm belief and argument that the uncorrupted gospel Paul preached, Christ crucified, shines forth from the RCC?
No.
ps: This debate has been about whether there are any of God's elect in the RCC as suggested by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones.
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News Item3/30/13 12:59 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
I believe salvation is important to go to Heaven after passing away. And I would be uncomfortable attending an Evangelical Protestant Church as I don't wish to communicate with anybody. I would sit in the back and leave after worship without communicating with anybody. And I do tell individuals on discussion forums that salvation is only by embracing Jesus as Lord and Savior.
I see. So you believe you are going to heaven, and when you attend your Catholic church, all the people there you believe are hell-bound sinners who will not hear about embracing Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, so they are very unlikely to get saved? Is that it?
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News Item3/30/13 12:53 PM
Huh  Find all comments by Huh
John Yurich USA wrote:
I believe salvation is important to go to Heaven after passing away. And I would be uncomfortable attending an Evangelical Protestant Church as I don't wish to communicate with anybody. I would sit in the back and leave after worship without communicating with anybody. And I do tell individuals on discussion forums that salvation is only by embracing Jesus as Lord and Savior.

What good does it do you in this life?

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News Item3/30/13 11:37 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
John Yurich, do you think salvation is important? Or is it something like joining a club? If you were genuinely converted, and saved from suffering in hell forever, how on earth can you attend a church where everyone around you is being deceived by false teaching and the false mass and the false confessions, yet you never even give a tract or try to help these deluded souls, into what you claim to have yourself? I just don't know how you could sit back, saying to yourself, "I'm all right, Jack." It's worse than callous.
I believe salvation is important to go to Heaven after passing away. And I would be uncomfortable attending an Evangelical Protestant Church as I don't wish to communicate with anybody. I would sit in the back and leave after worship without communicating with anybody. And I do tell individuals on discussion forums that salvation is only by embracing Jesus as Lord and Savior.
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News Item3/30/13 10:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Beneath contempt wrote:
Thank you bro for your response.
I believe this whole idea of "asking Jesus to come into my heart" is fatally flawed and accounts for more miscarriages in conversion than anything else.
Yes, it makes you wonder if preachers who encourage this sort of thing know what they are talking about. Inevitably arministic in doctrine, they vainly imagine that a sinner's prayer is a magic formula for salvation. There seems to be no comprehension of the effectual call of Christ, which reaches the heart.

A lot of churches are now full of these pseudo-converts, who of course will take leadership roles, and so the apostasy rolls on.
______________

John Yurich, do you think salvation is important? Or is it something like joining a club? If you were genuinely converted, and saved from suffering in hell forever, how on earth can you attend a church where everyone around you is being deceived by false teaching and the false mass and the false confessions, yet you never even give a tract or try to help these deluded souls, into what you claim to have yourself? I just don't know how you could sit back, saying to yourself, "I'm all right, Jack." It's worse than callous.

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