Why Pope Francis Excites (Most) Evangelical Leaders?
Pope Francis has drawn much attention for being the first pope to come from the ranks of the Americas and the Jesuits, as well as take the name Francis. But evangelical observers highlight other reasons for enthusiasm for yesterday's precedent-setting election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, former archbishop of Buenos Aires, to replace Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI after his surprising resignation.
Though the pope doesn't speak for Protestant Christians, he holds an important role as one of the most public faces of Christianity, said Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.
"Around the world, there are millions of people who don't grasp the differences between Protestants and Catholics," he said. "To them, Christians are Christians and the pope speaks for Christians."...
I hope most evangelical leaders have come to their senses about obsequious Pope Uriah Heep I, One can hope that he leaves Protestants alone, and just encourages Catholic NGO to carry on it's charity work and stay out of religion, but with the likes "Mother" Teresa (1910-1997)--General Teachings/Activities there is probably little hope of that.
Yes, most Protestants should be excited by this new Pope, or any other who obviously denies Christianity! His Unholiness is no one father, unless he had some normal sex on the side at sometime.
Matthew 23 9 "And do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 "And do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.---NASB
Trying to appear some humble when it is really a mark of vainess.
Webster's 1913 Dictionary wrote: VAIN:
1. Having no real substance, value, or importance; empty; void; worthless; unsatisfying. "Thy vain excuse." Shak. Every man walketh in a vain show. Ps. xxxix. 6. Let no man deceive you with vain words. Eph. v. 6. Vain pomp, and glory of this world, I hate ye! Shak. Vain visdom all, and false philosophy. Milton.
My pastor in his "St. Patrick Day" Sermon points out most excellently what all this "excitement," is really about. Jesus Christ, Our One & Only High Priest. Oh, and it isn't the Pope.
how wrote: John Piper "I am thankful that God is willing to save us even when our grasp of the gospel may be partial or defective. None of us has a comprehensive or perfect grasp of it."
I don't accept Pipers conclusion. If a person does not understand salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone as a basic minimum then they cannot call themselves saved. If Piper teaches any different then he is a false teacher.
John Piper "I am thankful that God is willing to save us even when our grasp of the gospel may be partial or defective. None of us has a comprehensive or perfect grasp of it."
SteveR wrote: Wow, both of you now. Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
A verse that speaks of anger against the Lords anointed - you consider yourself to be that person do you?
SteveR wrote: Just think... I thought I was being nice to Baptists, as every Sunday there is a Baptist persecuting someone with their words. Ive noticed from some SA listed sermons that your favorite targets are the children in your own Congregations, but other times Catholics who arent around to defend themselves.
Discussions between genuine believers on doctrinal matters, even if heated at times, do not equate to persecution!!!
There is no way under heaven that a Catholic who has never been taught salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone can be truly saved anymore than a Hindu can who has never heard of Christ.
True faith includes believing the Christ of the bible and how the Bible says we are saved. Apart from this there is no salvation as much as ignorant people like you, gushing as you do with a false love to Christ haters, may wish it were different.
SteveR has been defending "millions" of supposed children of light resident within the RCC for months now, while at the same time condemning real God fearing Christians on this site, but has not once identified the saving light which somehow emanates from the darkness of the RCC.
It must be a secret revealed only to him which we'll have to wait for till the last day.
Oh, btw, I also noticed Jennifer's (upside down, imo) treatment of Rev 6:2 shortly after she posted but decided not to say anything knowing there are polar opposite interpretations of many things in the Revelation which will not adversely affect anyone's standing with God.
Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Just think...
I thought I was being nice to Baptists, as every Sunday there is a Baptist persecuting someone with their words. Ive noticed from some SA listed sermons that your favorite targets are the children in your own Congregations, but other times Catholics who arent around to defend themselves
Anyways, I have to go. If you or Mike care to defend that 'antichrist' Revelation 6:2 interpretation, I will return and counter.
SteveR wrote: You used the word 'persecuted,' in defense of your wicked beliefs.
Where in the quote you produce do I say what you made me say? Mine was a response to your idiotic assertion that we are the same as the RCC 500 years ago- just the flip side and impotent!!
But you cant produce the quote which proves your false allegation? And sure does not concern you, does it? But then we all know who your father is!
SteveR wrote: btw: Speaking of being a liar, you falsely accused me of being a Catholic in this post as well "And for the record Baptists have never persecuted anyone. We uphold freedom of speech and conscience. But that does not mean we countenance evil doctrine spread by devils who look to damn as many souls as possible. We know you from the flag you fly and we know your father the devil." "
You are a shameless impostor. A Jesuit pretending to be a Protestant in order to mislead the unwary.
SteveR wrote: Sorry Michael, I dont buy the 'Catholics are so bad
SteveR You might not like this but since your post gives the impression of "protecting Catholics" let me say this to you, especially that genuinely saved born again believers might be encouraged:
It is more than high time those who profess to be born again Christians showed more concern for our Lord Jesus Christ than sympathy for those who hate Him.
And let no one deceive you idolatry (including Mariolatry) is a sin, a very serious sin of those who hate God as He really is.
And likewise know this as well when RC people come to genuine Salvation they will be thankful to God that He brought conviction of the Truth into their lives that they might be saved and thankfulness that He kept them out of the hands and false teaching of ecumenicals who miserably failed to tell them the Truth they so desperately need to hear.
Problemo wrote: You Sir are an unashamed LIAR! Show me where I claimed that Baptists were right because we didn't kill anybody!!
You used the word 'persecuted,' in defense of your wicked beliefs.
btw: Speaking of being a liar, you falsely accused me of being a Catholic in this post as well
"And for the record Baptists have never persecuted anyone. We uphold freedom of speech and conscience. But that does not mean we countenance evil doctrine spread by devils who look to damn as many souls as possible. We know you from the flag you fly and we know your father the devil."
SteveR wrote: Sorry Michael, I dont buy the 'Catholics are so bad Protestants can, or sit idly by while others, defile Scripture to demonize them' defense. Its almost as silly as problemos 'Baptists must be right because we never killed anybody for our faith' defense borrowed from the Jehovahs Witnesses.
SteveR You really ought to fear God, nobody has to misinterpret Scripture to know Roman Catholicism is in your words bad, my words very bad indeed.
Ultimately your problem isn't with me BUT with God and His Word, which is Truth, just incase you might need a bit of gentle reminding AND HIS WITNESS of Christ is greater than all the false teaching of the RCC and apostate evangelicals too for that matter. The day of judgment for the RCC, which has repeatedly demonstrated her unfaithfulness to Jesus Christ over and over again in Mariolotry, the worship of the RC eucharist, infant baptism, etc. etc. is hastening closer day by day.
If you and other Catholic loving apostates really understood the love of God you all won't have a problem knowing speaking out against Catholicism and warning people of the RCC's false teaching is a wonderful loving thing.
Having been raised Catholic I thank God He kept me from being sucked into ecumenism.
SteveR wrote: Sorry Michael, Its almost as silly as problemos 'Baptists must be right because we never killed anybody for our faith' defense borrowed from the Jehovahs Witnesses.
You Sir are an unashamed LIAR!
Show me where I claimed that Baptists were right because we didn't kill anybody!!
Michael Hranek wrote: SteveR I acknowledged Jen's post as being an encouragement to me, that God has His remnant who who are not defiled in spiritual adultery with the Great Harlot of Revelation. Now if you want to discuss the Papacy being antichrist we could speak of Mariolatry and the blasphemous idolatry of a lifeless piece of bread if you like BUT PLEASE let's not sweep such spiritual filth under the rug of ecumenism like it somehow doesn't matter to those seeking to be faithful to Christ and His word.
Sorry Michael, I dont buy the 'Catholics are so bad Protestants can, or sit idly by while others, defile Scripture to demonize them' defense. Its almost as silly as problemos 'Baptists must be right because we never killed anybody for our faith' defense borrowed from the Jehovahs Witnesses.
SteveR wrote: So you think those verses mean that understanding Revelation 6:2 was hidden from John Gill Adam Clarke Matthew Henry among others for centuries just so your cult could come along and have the correct understanding of it during the last century or so?
You quote authors you'd have no sympathy with in their view of the RCC and then criticise others because they might differ (rightly or wrongly) on their interpretation of a verse in the Bible!
SteveR wrote: There was nothing clever about it. Jen thought Rev 6:2 was about the antichrist & you acknowledged it despite centuries of Godly men expressing the opposite understanding. You, and others here, seem to accept ANY interpretation of Scripture as long as it demonizes the RCC and any Christian associated with them. You dont even care if that symbol is Christ or the Gospel. Now thats wicked
SteveR I acknowledged Jen's post as being an encouragement to me, that God has His remnant who who are not defiled in spiritual adultery with the Great Harlot of Revelation.
Now if you want to discuss the Papacy being antichrist we could speak of Mariolatry and the blasphemous idolatry of a lifeless piece of bread if you like BUT PLEASE let's not sweep such spiritual filth under the rug of ecumenism like it somehow doesn't matter to those seeking to be faithful to Christ and His word.
Michael Hranek wrote: SteveR Clever, clever. As politely as I might I will pass on arguing the merits for or against the commentaries men have given of Scripture.
There was nothing clever about it.
Jen thought Rev 6:2 was about the antichrist & you acknowledged it despite centuries of Godly men expressing the opposite understanding. You, and others here, seem to accept ANY interpretation of Scripture as long as it demonizes the RCC and any Christian associated with them. You dont even care if that symbol is Christ or the Gospel.
SteveR wrote: So you think those verses mean that understanding Revelation 6:2 was hidden from John Gill Adam Clarke Matthew Henry among others for centuries just so your cult could come along and have the correct understanding of it during the last century or so?
SteveR Clever, clever.
As politely as I might I will pass on arguing the merits for or against the commentaries men have given of Scripture.
In favor of Scripture itself which reveals to us Jesus Christ as He really is, what He has done for us and God's will for us in Him. 1 John 5:9-13
Hint: for one thing it is NOT to go awhoring after those idolatrously worshipping the Queen of Heaven and idolatrously worshipping a lifeless piece of bread as if it where Jesus Christ Himself physically present.
Even children who have the Word of God rightly preached to them can know that, no matter how educated, sophisticated and popular men like Louis Palau and Francis 1 might be.
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One can hope that he leaves Protestants alone, and just encourages Catholic NGO to carry on it's charity work and stay out of religion, but with the likes 
Sermon points out most excellently what all this "excitement," is really about. 
I'm looking forward to putting up the URL to my pastor's sermon on March 17th, where he tore into Protestants who wanted to cozy up to the new Pope! 
