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Ken Ham Calls Out Evangelical Leaders Who 'Undermine the Word of God'
A noted biblical apologist and expert on creationism is calling out several of his colleagues. An audience of some 300 people at the recent National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) convention in Nashville were shocked to learn of the number of evangelical leaders who don’t believe in a literal 6 days of creation narrative.
At the recent NRB convention Ken Ham, president and founder of Answers in Genesis and the Cincinnati-based Creation Museum, gave a lecture entitled, “The Age of the Earth, Biblical Authority, and the Downfall of the USA.”
During his presentation Ham showed video clips of prominent evangelicals to illustrate how some modern Christian theologians are, what he calls, compromising the Word of God....
Don't we all do this, when we sin? Eric Hovind is the son of Kent Hovind and appeared in the video "The Truth Group - Truthe about the Dinosaurs" (which I recommend for kids and adults). In this video there appears many representatives from Answers in Genesis and Ray Comfort. I think the attacks against Ken Ham from YEC folks are unwarranted.
John UK wrote: John Stott was quite local to me, and has left a legacy of unbelief. Some of the visitors to our meeting were influenced by him, and do not believe in this truth, nor the eternal punishment of sinners. And they are ecumenists too, and very difficult to talk to. But at least they come, and hear the Bible truths being taught.
Now who said I couldn't read between the lines. The only thing I am familiar with about Van Kampen is he wasn't a preacher, he was extremely rich, he died in his 50s, but wrote some books on the pre-wrath rapture position which refuted the pre-trib rapture. I remember him using that phrase about children understanding things in one of his books and I have always liked it and use it often in my pages and pages of meditations (one of which is on God's wrath by the way). As you know I am a post-triber, but that is very close to the pre-wrath folks.
I do know a little about Stott and I understood that he didn't say he was against eternal suffering, but was agnostic about it??? I think he changed his mind about that issue towards the end of his ministry. I also understand that he was ecumenical. But except for those two things, he is also a mystery to me.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Glad to hear you are feeling better. Hebrews 11:3 "By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:11
Thank you, brother.
This may be the first time we've interacted so permit me to say I never fail to be blessed by your comments. As an ember out of the fire and no family or friends interested in bible discussions, reading the comments of likeminded brothers and sisters keeps me from growing cold so thanks for all your contributions.
Thanks for the texts you cited but they don't really answer my question. To be more specific, I intended to ask how can we be infallibly certain that heaven means the universe and earth means the planet we live on which I believe is the broadly accepted interpretation of Gen 1:1.
I asked a similar question on the BioLogos.org forum a few weeks ago and no one responded. Btw, BioLogos is a group of scientist/Christians attempting to find and teach harmony between the creation account and science.
The problem I have with old age theory is that its a relic of the era of darwin. I do not see someone reading the scriptures and coming to it on their own, but rather thinking the scientists must have something that the Christians do not and trying to meld the two theologies together.
are we in global warming or was it an ice age coming or.. let's just call it global change, but wasn't change always happening?
Pressure is put on the believer to be cosmopolitan, or progressive, hey, maybe I'm wrong, but so much I hear on this topic is very speculative, I'd just rather not speculate and leave the bible to say what it does plainly.
Frank wrote: The above were my "nail in the coffin" scriptures. I would say they explain the Genesis account quite well. One of my favorite expressions, "so simple even a child can understand". But, I admit to getting that phrase from a fellow named Robert Van Kampen.
John Stott was quite local to me, and has left a legacy of unbelief. Some of the visitors to our meeting were influenced by him, and do not believe in this truth, nor the eternal punishment of sinners. And they are ecumenists too, and very difficult to talk to. But at least they come, and hear the Bible truths being taught.
John UK wrote: Quite so, brother pilgrim. I guess some folks aren't willing to be aloof from the christendom consensus. The proof of the 6 day? Exodus 20:8-11 KJV 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. I'm right glad it is so simple for a little child to see it without bother.
The above were my "nail in the coffin" scriptures. I would say they explain the Genesis account quite well. One of my favorite expressions, "so simple even a child can understand". But, I admit to getting that phrase from a fellow named Robert Van Kampen.
Frank wrote: Heh brother, I personally don't listen to creation scientists or old earth scientists when they discuss their science. The reason is I am not a scientist, so how would I know which scientific argument is true and which is not. Scripture alone where possible. And scripture teaches a 6 literal day creation - period.
Quite so, brother pilgrim. I guess some folks aren't willing to be aloof from the christendom consensus.
The proof of the 6 day?
Exodus 20:8-11 KJV 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
I'm right glad it is so simple for a little child to see it without bother.
John UK wrote: Thanks a lot Frank! It explains a lot.
Heh brother, I personally don't listen to creation scientists or old earth scientists when they discuss their science. The reason is I am not a scientist, so how would I know which scientific argument is true and which is not. Scripture alone where possible. And scripture teaches a 6 literal day creation - period.
I also get amused when someone adheres to evolution and they say science supports that. I then ask them if they are scientists and of course they say no. I then say well how do you know what they are saying is true. TALK ABOUT ITCHING EARS.
I watched a video where Ankerberg and some other fellow said that they arrived at an old earth using a literal interpretation of the bible. But when Moses penned Genesis, my guess is those that read it believed morning and evening; day one, meant exactly that.
Rufus, I'm glad your not dogmatic. I understand your thought, but since the word can just as easily mean to fill or to fill up, then as long as we leave the "again" part out, we agree.
To see an assault on YEC hermeneutics I suggest godandscience.org. If you are serious about YEC apologetics, I carefully review their site for YEC/OEC materials. Some stuff there is arguments based on evidentialism, but some is Scripturalism.
Marty wrote: Not all old earth creationists deny original sin or argue for common descent. YECs care a lot about animals dying, but OECs care not about this
Agree; but nor do they care about logical and theological consistency. Which is not surprising considering their flawed their hybrid epistemology.
I find it ironic that at the same time Ken Ham identifies RC Sproul (whom I admire) as compromising the Word of God, Ligonier is having a "no compromise" conference. http://www.ligonier.org/learn/conferences/no-compromise-2013-national-conference/ I guess we pick our battles... You really can't say that those who support millions of years come off with a bulldog attitude regarding Scripture like Martin Luther who said, "...Here I stand...". In a way, belief in millions of years is like tradition in the Catholic church. Science apparently trumps the perspicuity of the Bible. Did God really say?... We heard that before from the father of lies.
Frank wrote: [28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Gen 1:28 KJV) [1] And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. (Gen 9:1 KJV) Strong's Number H4390 is the entry for to replenish. Probably means to fill. 4390 male' maw-lay' or malae (Esth. 7:5) {maw-law'}; a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):--accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full(-ly, -ly set, tale), (over-)flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-)full, + have wholly. But, I truly hate word studies. Gotta go to an appointment. Later
Thanks a lot Frank! It explains a lot.
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Dr. Terry Mortenson | 1/16/2009
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The only thing I am familiar with about Van Kampen is he wasn't a preacher, he was extremely rich, he died in his 50s, but wrote some books on the pre-wrath rapture position which refuted the pre-trib rapture. I remember him using that phrase about children understanding things in one of his books and I have always liked it and use it often in my pages and pages of meditations (one of which is on God's wrath by the way). As you know I am a post-triber, but that is very close to the pre-wrath folks. 
