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Choice News WEDNESDAY, MAR 6, 2013| 45 comments| 1 commentary
2.5 Million Alcohol-Related Deaths Worldwide- Annually

Based on the analyses of 100 individual country profiles, The World Health Organization (WHO) has released The Global Status Report on Alcohol and Health focused on analyzing available evidence on alcohol consumption, consequences and policy interventions at global, regional and national levels.

The harmful use of alcohol is a global problem which compromises both individual and social development. It causes harm far beyond the physical and psychological health of the drinker, including the harm to the well-being and health of people around the drinker. Alcohol is associated with many serious social and developmental issues, including violence, child neglect and abuse, and absenteeism in the workplace.

The harmful use of alcohol (defined as excessive use to the point that it causes damage to health) has many implications on public health as demonstrated in the following key findings: ...


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News Item9/24/13 8:09 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
NCADD, an NGO which is the source of this article, considers alcoholism a disease.

I know there are militant abstentionist Fundies, but there are also militant Thou Shalt Drink Wine for Communion people, too.

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News Item9/24/13 7:55 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
There are many who would if they could add"thou shall not drink Alcohol" to the ten commandments...it is not there,but they wish with all their heart and quote every scripture they can to try and convince people that it is somehow there,we are warned about drunkenness but the use of Alcohol is not forbidden and its use is certainly not wise for everyone
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News Item3/8/13 10:38 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Cornish Pasty wrote:
i would rather have a 10% proof communion wine at the Eucharist than a feeble drop of Ribena. Apart from that, i would not drink anyhing else.
I'd rather have a Cornish Pasty than a glass of wine.
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News Item3/8/13 9:47 AM
Cornish Pasty  Find all comments by Cornish Pasty
i would rather have a 10% proof communion wine at the Eucharist than a feeble drop of Ribena. Apart from that, i would not drink anyhing else.
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News Item3/8/13 9:29 AM
GregPasty  Find all comments by GregPasty
Processed meat-the day after-so I got one thing right!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2289351/Processed-meat-blame-1-30-deaths-Scientists-say-rasher-cheap-bacon-day-harmful.html

'There is no clear and universal understanding of what is moderate drinking. Its meaning varies between cultures and within cultures according to gender, age, socio-economic status and people's self-reported tolerance'

Trendy bottled beer 'Newcastle' in the US- known as 'Dog' in my home city of Newcastle because it makes you 'mad', the bottle also was the most used offensive weapon.

'Alcohol is implicated in 47% of violent crime'

Which alcoholic drinks sold in UK public houses were available in Bible times? The aggressive brainwashing alcohol industry is Satan's instrument to ensnare millions of souls.

'Abstain from all appearance of Evil' I Thes 5: 22

10 things the alcohol industry won't tell you about alcohol - Doug Sellman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8djI1rUQkw

US Alcohol Advertising, Examples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jliidcBd_8

UK'47% of 15 year old girls have been drunk at least once in the last 4 weeks'

An epidemic which makes you weep for these youngsters, but when did your church last mention the dangers of 'alcohol'

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News Item3/7/13 6:28 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks for relating those experiences, Greg.
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News Item3/7/13 6:18 PM
GregPasty  Find all comments by GregPasty
Christians and Alcohol MacArthur
http://www.gty.org/resources/Sermons/80-380/Christians-and-Alcohol

http://www.gty.org/resources/Sermons/80-381/Interrogating-Alcohol

Fredrick Charrington

http://www.setfreebangor.co.uk/finding-god/frederick-n-charrington-abandons-fortune

The MacArthur links are helpful re: the evil alcohol industry today (I Thes 5: 22), the wine of the bible and why chose to abstain. The Charrington link explains how a brewery heir was converted 'I am responsible for their misery'.

I was converted in 1990 and became an ex-drunkard, once influencing a 16 year old to drink who commited suicide when drunk. I have never met a converted drunkard who drinks even moderately. 1991 I witnessed to Bryan who came to profess conversion. His older brother was into real ale pubs. I told Bryan that he would be a better witness to his brother if he abstained, but Bryan chose moderation and accompanied his brother Steve to real ale pubs. One day after returning home from the pub Steve was drunk, fell and hit his head and died after being in a coma.

We can disagree but maybe you can understand my personal conviction (and many other good men), choosing to abstain for the love of others will guarantee that I do not cause ANY to stumble or fall into misery.

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News Item3/7/13 5:50 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
When we're thinking about the temptation to sin brought about by desire for wine, the temptation is not the same for each. The devil tempts according to each one's weakness, and wine isn't a weakness for all. Some are tempted by otc drugs, some physical lust, some laziness, some self-righteousness, and so on. The sin is idolatry, that which one bows down to; that which takes God's place in the heart. Regarding the issue at hand, the intake of alcohol, we should make no generalizations of "wine is bad, no one should drink it." Those who know it is bad for them, who can be tempted to drunkeness, should in no way go near it. Remember there are cultures where wine is taken daily with meals, yet alcoholism is not a problem. No doubt they have other things which the fallen nature has "granted" them.

As for me personally, I like a glass of wine now and then, though I usually go weeks or months between. It just holds no temptation to overindulge. Satan works on me elsewhere. Even so...

Philippians 4:13
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."

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News Item3/7/13 5:20 PM
Jack Daniel  Find all comments by Jack Daniel
John UK wrote:
I never knew the Amazon jungle had a private healthcare system.
I was making my own comment.
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News Item3/7/13 4:59 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jack Daniel wrote:
Another snide British jibe at our private healthcare system.
I never knew the Amazon jungle had a private healthcare system.
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News Item3/7/13 4:56 PM
Jack Daniel  Find all comments by Jack Daniel
John UK wrote:
If I had a gangrene leg in a far flung land, and all there was to help was a man with a rusty hacksaw and a full bottle of whisky, I know what I would do (if I wanted to stay alive).
Another snide British jibe at our private healthcare system.
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News Item3/7/13 4:22 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
1. Correct. "Sin is trangression of the law" and I also can find no law.
2. Also correct.
3. Excellent point. If I had a gangrene leg in a far flung land, and all there was to help was a man with a rusty hacksaw and a full bottle of whisky, I know what I would do (if I wanted to stay alive).
And here I thought the British were tough!

Why is it that you understand my posts but Jim doesn't.
DON'T ANSWER THAT!

I have to take my wife out to dinner because she won her tennis match. Now if we go to someplace that serves alcohol, then it could be argued that I am supporting the sale of alcohol. But, then the only places that don't serve alcohol are fast food places.

I'll figure it out and will spend the rest of my kids inheritance somewhere.

Thanks again for your posts on this issue.

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News Item3/7/13 4:13 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK wrote:
...If I had a gangrene leg in a far flung land, and all there was to help was a man with a rusty hacksaw and a full bottle of whisky, I know what I would do...

Pretty funny...great visual. : )

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News Item3/7/13 3:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Yes Pilgrim, as hard as I might try, I cannot find scriptural grounds for anyone saying that drinking alcohol, in and of itself, is a sin and I'm not saying that in a condescending way.

But, I believe this is a healthy topic and every comment that I read was civil and kind.

Your parallel with John the Baptist is also found in PR. 31 where it says "strong drink is not for kings", but then it could be inferred it is for others; especially those that are dying or in some other way suffering.

1. Correct. "Sin is trangression of the law" and I also can find no law.

2. Also correct.

3. Excellent point. If I had a gangrene leg in a far flung land, and all there was to help was a man with a rusty hacksaw and a full bottle of whisky, I know what I would do (if I wanted to stay alive).

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News Item3/7/13 3:43 PM
The lesson rightly applied  Find all comments by The lesson rightly applied
Kyle wrote:
Quick! We must ban assault drinks! Let's limit ounces, institute background checks, license the ownership of alcohol, and make carrying a loaded bottle closer than a thousand feet of a school a five year prison sentence.
Look, constitutional amendments can be repealed!
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News Item3/7/13 3:22 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
Quick! We must ban assault drinks! Let's limit ounces, institute background checks, license the ownership of alcohol, and make carrying a loaded bottle closer than a thousand feet of a school a five year prison sentence.

Look, nobody is taking your booze away. These are common sense actions that in no way infringe of the right of law abiding citizens to consume alcohol.

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News Item3/7/13 2:28 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, Frank, under Old Testament demands there was no attack against moderate imbiding, unless you were under Nazarite vows. In the New Testament there was strong condemnation of drunkards, so this is still good advice,
[AUTHOR]Amer. Tract Dictionary 1859[/AUTHOR][QUOTE]Drunkenness

Is referred to in the Bible both in single instances and as a habit. Its folly is often illustrated, Ps 107:27 Isa 19:14 24:20 28:7,8, its guilt denounced, Isa 5:22, its ill results traced, 1Sa 25:36 1Ki 16:9 20:16, and its doom shown, 1Co 6:9,10. It is produced by wine, Ge 9:21 21:33 Jer 23:9 Eph 5:18, as well as by "strong drink," 1Sa 1:13-15 Isa 5:11. Hence the use of these was forbidden to the priests at the altar, Le 10:9; and all are cautioned to avoid them, Pr 20:1 23:20. To tempt others to drunkenness is a sin accursed of God, 2Sa 11:13 Hab 2:15,16. Its prevalence in a community is inseparable from the habitual use of any inebriating liquor....[/QUOTE]In Nebr. Grand Island Mayor Vavricek arrested on suspicion of DUI & Omaha State Senator...

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News Item3/7/13 1:14 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Quite so, Frank.
Matthew 11:16-19 KJV
16
Yes Pilgrim, as hard as I might try, I cannot find scriptural grounds for anyone saying that drinking alcohol, in and of itself, is a sin and I'm not saying that in a condescending way.

But, there is a cultural aspect to drinking. In Germany most "genuine" Christians will drink and that publicly; there is no chance they are being stumbling blocks. I think they drank until they felt merry? The same in Italy and I'm sure there are other countries as well. I remember this dear Hungarian woman who told me that when the American missionaries came; they put away their wine bottles and took off their slacks and put on dresses. Now I believe she did it because of the support they were receiving, but then I didn't really question her.

But, I believe this is a healthy topic and every comment that I read was civil and kind.

Your parallel with John the Baptist is also found in PR. 31 where it says "strong drink is not for kings", but then it could be inferred it is for others; especially those that are dying or in some other way suffering.

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News Item3/7/13 11:55 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
If God's BAC is 0.00, then Christ disobeyed His heavenly Father. I believe that Christ drank fermented alcohol.
Quite so, Frank.

In Jesus own words:

Matthew 11:16-19 KJV
16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

The parallel cannot be gainsaid. John Baptist was austere, total abstainer and ate little, and the Lord was not.

Now folks, look at the facts, and do not get caught up with the obvious exaggerations of the unregenerate who accused the Lord of drinking and eating to excess.

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News Item3/7/13 11:36 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Rufus wrote:
I believe God wants us to abstain from the appearance of evil, wants us to make no provision for the flesh and desires that we be given up to sound minds.
If drinking alcohol makes someone more subject to falling into sin, then they should abstain completely. Remember, I have consistently said if someone asked me if they should drink, I would say no.
If I was around another believer and didn't know his/her thoughts on the subject, I would error on the side caution (their consciences might be weak) and not offer them a drink or drink in their presence. But the issue for me has always been is drinking alcohol, in and of itself, a sin. IT IS NOT, because scripture does not prohibit it and in some cases like Pr 31, actually promotes it. Imagine yourself living in an area that has no other form of pain medication.

If God's BAC is 0.00, then Christ disobeyed His heavenly Father. I believe that Christ drank fermented alcohol. Now someone can assign such a low level of fermentation to the alcohol He drank that it might be irrelevant (I am not saying that), but it would still raise the bar to something above. 0.00?

If someone thinks that drinking alcohol at all is a sin - they shouldn't drink. Yes, avoid the appearance of evil!

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