Study says too many Americans still drink too much
On any given day in the United States, 18 percent of men and 11 percent of women drink more alcohol than federal guidelines recommend, according to a study that also found that 8 percent of men and 3 percent of women are full-fledged "heavy drinkers."
That means the great majority of Americans stay within the advised limit of two drinks a day for men and one for women, according to the study that appeared in the Journal of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.
"And in fact, most adults don't drink at all on any given day," said lead author Patricia Guenther, a nutritionist at the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion....
The on-going problem with drinking in the Romish Church, Scottish style. Cardinal Keith O'Brien admits and apologises for sexual misconduct. I see he blamed a lot of his behavior on "drunken fumblings." In those days when I was in the Army, I noticed people got drunk, so they had an excuse to do something they shouldn't -- which of course made it no excuse at all.
Oh, and across the bigger puddle, Australia's new non-drinking puritans. In spite of the title of the story, the folks Down-under haven't become teetotalers yet.
John U.K., I'm glad the commentary of Amer. Tract Dictionary of 1859 was of use to you. I try to put informative articles, that will be of use to people. Oh, now you know where magic mushrooms come from. I think they might grow in the American Southwest, but I'll leave it up to people who are really interested in such things to research that.
Ah, back to Barley again? We know why people like barley! But hey you can read How Beer Saved the World. But the British and drunken priests around the world will say ... well especially the priests..., "amen" to that statement.
But being a teetotaler I'm no more excited about beer than I am about magic mushrooms.
"For the Lord thy God bringeth thee into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and depths that spring out of valleys and hills; A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of oil olive, and honey" (Deut. 8:7-8)
Barley was part of a staple diet..but more popular as a 'barley loaf' which we read that Christ fed 5000.
I don't doubt John at all about the benefits of such, but careful about these health food zealots who replace food with tablets and make a profit e.g. Tablets
Often like the vitamins con which makes some folks 'mega-rich'!
Just joking...I've heard of it. I used to eat so healthy, work out 5 days a week, etc. I have to get back into the swing of it. Why is everything that's good for you so difficult to keep up with? Not unlike sin, it's so much easier than being good, which everyone has to work at.
Christopher000 wrote: John/UK I'm not so sure that concoction you mentioned is non-alcoholic...
Barley grass powder is made from the dried young leaves of the barley plant. It is believed that the cultivation of barley's young leaves first took place as early as 7000 BC.
At the early stage of its growth, the barley plant is closer in composition to vegetables than grains, hence the name 'barley grass'. This concept is similar to that of wheat grass . There is said to be very little difference between the nutritional contents of barley grass and wheat grass.
As they grow, the nutrient content of young cereal grasses change rapidly. The nutrient concentration - vitamins, minerals, enzymes, amino acids, chlorophyll - deteriorate significantly.
In its young state, however, barley grass contains extremely high levels of the abovementioned nutrients. Barley grass powder thus contains very dense nutritional and healing properties in a concentrated form that is easily assimilated by our digestive system.
There are no known toxic effects to consuming barley grass.
John/UK wrote: "I make a non-alcoholic strong drink by juicing carrot, celery and cucumber, and then adding some barley grass powder. For anyone well toxinated, get ready for some explosions."
Oh boy...
"As for me, I am happy to take the Nazarite position, not as a vow, but because I have no desire, as a reborn child of God, for even a wee dram."
Huh??
I'm not so sure that concoction you mentioned is non-alcoholic...
Jim Lincoln wrote: Oh, oh, barley grass powder, you don't let it ferment do you John U.K.? If you start adding Mexican mushrooms I'm really going start to get worried!
Jim Lincoln wrote: American Tract Dictionary of 1859 has an interesting commentary on wine, q.v., Result 2- WINE
Thanks Jim, in that article is the "law" of Moses which I was looking for:
Leviticus 10:8-9 KJV 8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying, 9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
This is very similar to the law for the Nazarite vow...
...and it continues into the new covenant, for those in office:
1 Timothy 3:2-6 KJV 2 A bishop [or elder] then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to WINE, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Oh, oh, barley grass powder, you don't let it ferment do you John U.K.? If you start adding Mexican mushrooms I'm really going start to get worried!
American Tract Dictionary of 1859 has an interesting commentary on wine, q.v., Result 2- WINE (Of course your read Result 1 -- but that has to do with "the other white meat." ) I don't mind eating fish on Fridays or any other days since I do "lust" after that, so that's good non-Romish position. Oh, and I've eaten the other red meat -- ham on Fridays and other days as well, which I imagine might get some people of the Seventh-day Adventism (PDF) persuasion a little worked up as well.
Mike wrote: Question for anyone. "Non-alcoholic strong drink." What is it, and why is it to be avoided if it is non-alcoholic?
I make a non-alcoholic strong drink by juicing carrot, celery and cucumber, and then adding some barley grass powder. For anyone well toxinated, get ready for some explosions.
Mike, good post, especially on the purpose of scripture and how it applies.
Perhaps our friend Rufus should apply and behold:
"Be not drunk with [non-alcoholic strong] wine, but be filled with the Spirit." Eph 5:18.
Mike wrote: Question for anyone. "Non-alcoholic strong drink." What is it, and why is it to be avoided if it is non-alcoholic?
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Sacrament of the Lords Supper includes 'wine.' In 1 Corinthians we learn its wine that got some intoxicated. If Rufus's church wants to use grape juice, big deal as we saw from the Scripture. As long as they understand the symbolism, its fine. To me its a man made tradition like Catholics not eating steak on Fridays.
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
The above really doesnt sound like grape juice left unrefridgerated in the summer heat to me, now does it?
Its clear ALL things God made are GOOD. Its what men do with them that can be sinful
Food- GOOD...Gluttony BAD Wine- GOOD.....Drunkeness BAD
Finally From Jothams parable
Judges 9:13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Question for anyone. "Non-alcoholic strong drink." What is it, and why is it to be avoided if it is non-alcoholic?
2 Timothy 3:16-17 16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
Note the different purposes for which Scripture is profitable. They are listed as distinct items because they are distinctly wrought, depending on the Scripture which applies. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, but each Scripture does not necessarily serve the same purpose. When reading Proverbs, we need take note of this. Proverbs are wisdom. Apply them if they apply. Apply them when they apply.
Proverbs 9:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."
Proverbs 27:26,27 "The lambs are for thy clothing, and the goats are the price of the field. And thou shalt have goats' milk enough for thy food, for the food of thy household, and for the maintenance for thy maidens."
Do you all think the nazarite vow and warnings on drunkenness would set a precedent for how we live today in other matters? for instance, "I have a friend" who says that she wanted to have a procedure done that was created through the use of fetal cells. Apparently, they named the fetal cells WI=38 and MRC-5, the abbreviation for the institution where they took in the aborted fetuses for science, and the number being the 38th fetus or the 5th fetus...some researchers said the 5 was a male and the cells used were from the lung. so we are no longer under the law and its not explicitly dealt with in scripture and so its ok? what do you all think?
Rufus wrote: Scripture was provided but it was found in the wrong book. Strong drink is unmixed wine. Just like wine, strong drink can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic. The non-alcoholic strong drink is what a Nazarite was to avoid (as well as the alcoholic strong drink as that's the drink of the Philistines). The non-alcoholic strong drink is what was permissible for one who had not taken a Nazarite vow. Grace and peace to ya John. I'm off to a hike, will likely be awhile before I check in next.
John UK wrote: ... But I do not find a law against it in scripture, and you are yet to come up with one. And that is the problem with this debate - no scripture is ever given in evidence for total abstinence by command of God.
Scripture was provided but it was found in the wrong book.
Strong drink is unmixed wine. Just like wine, strong drink can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic. The non-alcoholic strong drink is what a Nazarite was to avoid (as well as the alcoholic strong drink as that's the drink of the Philistines). The non-alcoholic strong drink is what was permissible for one who had not taken a Nazarite vow.
Grace and peace to ya John. I'm off to a hike, will likely be awhile before I check in next.
Rufus, methinks you misunderstand my position on this.
Note,
2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Now throughout scripture, excess of drinking strong drink is condemned. In this we are perfectly agreed.
But my disagreement with you, is that (also in scripture) a Nazarite, taking a vow before God under his instruction, abstains from STRONG DRINK as part of his separation. Now if so, then it is implied that other Jews (godly Jews), did NOT abstain from strong drink, even though they kept to moderation.
Take John Baptist. He was a rare one in that he abstained from strong drink from his birth.
As for me, I am happy to take the Nazarite position, not as a vow, but because I have no desire, as a reborn child of God, for even a wee dram.
What's more, I have never recommended, nor ever will recommend anyone to taste alcohol. But I do not find a law against it in scripture, and you are yet to come up with one. And that is the problem with this debate - no scripture is ever given in evidence for total abstinence by command of God.
Christopher000 wrote: ... I thought the entire Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and thought that whether its Proverbs, or wherever, whenever we are told to do or not do something, it was to be taken as a command. ...
Chris you are right on your initial understanding, hold fast to it. Do not let men talk you out of obeying every word of God for man does not live by bread alone. I don't mean any disrespect to Mike and John's position (nothing but love for both and we are much agreed on other topics) for it is at least a consistent one for they see the instruction in Proverbs, they are just saying they do not have to obey the Proverbs. This is a strange doctrine to me and one that will not bring blessings and will bring forth the chastening of the Lord. "Pick and choose" is the proper expression, this is what I would refer to in other contexts as "Cafeteria Christianity". We have many Christians that say Matthew, Hebrews, James doesn't apply to them for it is "heavily Jewish flavored". This is the first occasion where I've witnessed an argument for Proverbs likewise not applying.
Matthew 4:4 - But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Christopher000 wrote: I thought the entire Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and thought that whether its Proverbs, or wherever, whenever we are told to do or not do something, it was to be taken as a command.
It is deep water here Christopher, and a theological maybe have the answer. Here is my thought on it:
Hebrews 8:10-13 KJV 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
A broken old covenant law will either end in death or lead to Christ. The latter is what every Christian has experienced, and as a new creature (2 Cor 5:17) he has a new heart and a new spirit and a new direction - all inwardly.
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I think they might grow in the American Southwest, but I'll leave it up to people who are really interested in such things to research that.
But the British 
and drunken priests around the world will say ... well especially the priests..., "amen" to that statement.
