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TUESDAY, FEB 5, 2013  |  29 comments  |  1 commentary
Sex Symbols Who Speak in Tongues?

I was at the grocery store the other day when I was unexpectedly confronted with an adult-oriented magazine located right next to the vitamin section. I immediately had to look away from the front cover, which featured a scantily clad, seductively posed, sex symbol. Yet it was only a few weeks ago that I read an article about how this same sex symbol loves to speak in tongues and has to restrain herself from outbursts in tongues while attending church services. What?

This is actually a perfect illustration of American charismatic Christianity, where you can say you love Jesus (like the rapper ‚ÄúThe Game‚ÄĚ claims to do) and still frequent strip clubs (as ‚ÄúThe Game‚ÄĚ still does), or where you can flow in the gifts of the Spirit and become a made-for-TV preaching sensation, only to announce that God told you that you married the wrong woman, leading to a quick divorce and remarriage.

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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Boy, I wish I had the knowledge to argue the Bible effectively. Even with witnessing, refuting Catholics, or whoever, I can put things down great on paper, but face to face, It just doesn't roll because I tend to need a little extra time to process my thoughts if I'm to make any sort of intelligent impact. I probably just need to study and practice much, much more so it becomes more natural.
Derek Prince wotsits?? Say what? I need to order an official UK dictionary.
1. The Lord understands, Christopher, and he will have you witness in the power of the Spirit, no matter how much you know or don't know. The important thing is to stay close to him, or you will end up a scholar with no witnessing power. IMHO

2. Let's see if anyone knows what the Derek Prince wotsits are, to be taken with medication and a glass of water.

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News Item2/7/13 4:54 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Boy, I wish I had the knowledge to argue the Bible effectively. Even with witnessing, refuting Catholics, or whoever, I can put things down great on paper, but face to face, It just doesn't roll because I tend to need a little extra time to process my thoughts if I'm to make any sort of intelligent impact. I probably just need to study and practice much, much more so it becomes more natural.

Derek Prince wotsits?? Say what? I need to order an official UK dictionary.

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News Item2/7/13 2:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item2/7/13 1:32 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Not sure I would think it appropriate or my place to go there, if it were me.
I don't disagree with you. The Lord knows why we intervene or why we don't. He sees our hearts, intentions and motives clearly. As long as we aren't guilty of being ashamed of the Lord and His word, Luke 9:26 (AkJV ) then I'm sure whatever we are led to do is okay.

If a brother told me he didn't intervene, I wouldn't reprove him; if he told me he did intervene, I wouldn't reprove him. I might simply ask him why in either case and go from there.

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News Item2/7/13 1:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John

Last Sunday meeting, a poorly visitor who has fallen for the charismatics false doctrines, told me that every day she takes medication along with two Derek Prince wotsits. I've heard this times, over the years, and I know that it is very hard to get this sort of thing out of the human heart. I did not reply, lest it turn her against me, and make her dig her heels in. She comes to hear the word of God, and I trust that she will hear his voice.

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News Item2/7/13 1:05 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John Beechy wrote:
Well there were some good posts, but I still remain perplexed. Anyway, so I'm sitting at this local eatery at the present and there are 3 women next to me. Typical worldly array, earrings, rings, pants, fashion purses, make-up, short, styled hair - you know. I can't help but hear their conversation, and I do admit I am nosey. But everything is the Lord this and the Lord that, the Lord told me, spoke to me, showed me.... What should I make of all this? Should I confront them or let them be?
Interesting! I would say it all depended on what they were saying. If they said something that was against scripture, then I might intervene; I have in the past. So, if she said the Lord told me to go to mass every day, then I would likely intervene. If she simply said the Lord told me to do such and such, I would likely ignore them.

I like the way you are putting these ideas in a cultural setting. You would have to be more specific for me to answer with more specificity. I remember once overhearing a small group of women who were studying to become pastors. I interrupted them and told them that was against scripture. They simply gave me a dirty look. But, I felt led to do that.

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News Item2/7/13 12:59 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Beechy wrote:
Well there were some good posts, but I still remain perplexed. Anyway, so I'm sitting at this local eatery at the present and there are 3 women next to me. Typical worldly array, earrings, rings, pants, fashion purses, make-up, short, styled hair - you know. I can't help but hear their conversation, and I do admit I am nosey. But everything is the Lord this and the Lord that, the Lord told me, spoke to me, showed me.... What should I make of all this? Should I confront them or let them be?
I can't afford to go to the local eatery.
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News Item2/7/13 12:53 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Beechy wrote:
Well there were some good posts, but I still remain perplexed. Anyway, so I'm sitting at this local eatery at the present and there are 3 women next to me. Typical worldly array, earrings, rings, pants, fashion purses, make-up, short, styled hair - you know. I can't help but hear their conversation, and I do admit I am nosey. But everything is the Lord this and the Lord that, the Lord told me, spoke to me, showed me.... What should I make of all this? Should I confront them or let them be?
Not sure I would think it appropriate or my place to go there, if it were me.
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News Item2/7/13 12:30 PM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
Well there were some good posts, but I still remain perplexed. Anyway, so I'm sitting at this local eatery at the present and there are 3 women next to me. Typical worldly array, earrings, rings, pants, fashion purses, make-up, short, styled hair - you know. I can't help but hear their conversation, and I do admit I am nosey. But everything is the Lord this and the Lord that, the Lord told me, spoke to me, showed me.... What should I make of all this? Should I confront them or let them be?
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News Item2/6/13 4:02 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
Yes Frank, I meant to do a followup on my post. I do believe that God speaks to people in some way that they would tend to receive the message clearly. I have no problem with someone passing along something that God may have revealed to them, or whatever, for my review. I guess where the issue arises for me is when God is seemingly on call at all times; whispering into the ears of the receivers 24/7. Like, I ask a question, have a dilemma, or whatever, and suddenly, POOF!, hey buddy, here's your answer...God just told me. Oh, how I wish that's how it worked!
Me too, but then if answers came that easily we would quickly worship our faith instead of our heavenly Father. Since you and I came out of the Charismatic movement, you and I will agree that is one of their major flaws. They worship their faith and go through these name it claim it routines as if their faith can make God do something He doesn't want to do. Like a kindly old man or genie just waiting to be rubbed the right way.
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News Item2/6/13 3:32 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Yes Frank, I meant to do a followup on my post. I do believe that God speaks to people in some way that they would tend to receive the message clearly. I have no problem with someone passing along something that God may have revealed to them, or whatever, for my review. I guess where the issue arises for me is when God is seemingly on call at all times; whispering into the ears of the receivers 24/7. Like, I ask a question, have a dilemma, or whatever, and suddenly, POOF!, hey buddy, here's your answer...God just told me. Oh, how I wish that's how it worked!
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News Item2/6/13 11:15 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks Frank...makes sense. I know what you mean about born again Christians seemingly hearing, receiving, or whatever, different things from God.
Well said! There is confusion in the body of Christ even though all have the Holy Spirit. I believe even believers can be hard hearted and stubborn regarding many of these matters; grieving the Holy Spirit. There is a growing process although there is much about this issue that I don't understand. I do know that I am only resonsible for what I believe like I said in my previous post. There are also those with the gift of discernment, so truth will be easier for them to recognize. Notice the below; Paul is referring to believers.

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, 3 for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

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News Item2/6/13 7:19 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Frank...makes sense. I know what you mean about born again Christians seemingly hearing, receiving, or whatever, different things from God. God told me to tell you this, God told me to do that, God told me to prophesy this, God told me this is wrong, etc I don't know, I've just wondered why God would not just tell me directly if everyone else seems to be hearing Him so very clearly. I feel like God would speak to us as individuals through our spirits, letting us know what's right, what's wrong, what direction He wants us to take, etc, etc. Why does somebody else always have to tell me what I feel God could convey to me on His own? Just thinking out loud...
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News Item2/5/13 6:17 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
"In God's scheme of things, the human conscience under the influence of the Holy Ghost would inwardly know if something was not right."
John UK, I thought that was a very good answer. I think we tend to over complicate things at times and I thought this post was a perfect response, and perfectly simple.
Yes Christopher, I don't disagree with you in the slightest. The problem arises when one believer says the Holy Spirit says one thing and then another believer says the same Spirit told them somthing differently. I always look at it this way; each of us are responsible to our Savior for what we believe and teach, etc., we are not responsible for what others believe unless we were responsible for teaching them something that is false or we didn't reprove and correct their false teaching when called to do so.

He asked Peter what others were saying about Him, but then He asked Peter, but who do "you" say that I am?

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News Item2/5/13 4:55 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
"In God's scheme of things, the human conscience under the influence of the Holy Ghost would inwardly know if something was not right."

John UK, I thought that was a very good answer. I think we tend to over complicate things at times and I thought this post was a perfect response, and perfectly simple.

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News Item2/5/13 4:44 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
The prayer sounds like mysticism and vain repetition all rolled into one. I remember in my Catholic youth that I was a very naughty boy and the Priest would have me repeat my prayers so many times for my penance that I use to lose count. I can still do the hail mary and the act of contrition by heart. BUT I DON'T.
What a wonderful reality, to be saved completely and eternally! Christ did not pay my debt and then tell me I had to pay Him back by good works, sacraments or anything else we can imagine. Now I am simply His slave and He can do as He will.
It is a most wonderful reality, Frank. Christ has set us free, and we willingly serve him. The war with the sin-nature continues, but nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus. It is finished, he said, and indeed it is. Nothing can be added to that immense work which our Lord accomplished in his life, death and resurrection. Safe forever!

Thanks for sharing that from your past.

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News Item2/5/13 4:29 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Yes indeed, Frank. The Saviour knows them that he saves, and them that are pseudo-believers who merely made mental assent and recited a poem called "the sinner's prayer".
I read a small book once which recommended the "Jesus Prayer". It was written, I think, by Eastern Orthodox, and the idea was to build up your prayer daily until you could recite it 5,000 times a day and ever increasing. You could call it a "mantra" I suppose. Not much wrong with the prayer itself, but to repeat it endlessly without faith, worthless.
The prayer sounds like mysticism and vain repetition all rolled into one. I remember in my Catholic youth that I was a very naughty boy and the Priest would have me repeat my prayers so many times for my penance that I use to lose count. I can still do the hail mary and the act of contrition by heart. BUT I DON'T.

What a wonderful reality, to be saved completely and eternally! Christ did not pay my debt and then tell me I had to pay Him back by good works, sacraments or anything else we can imagine. Now I am simply His slave and He can do as He will.

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News Item2/5/13 3:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Yes, John, isn't it wonderful that we have a Savior that can't be fooled and knows those that belong to Him and those that don't. You are correct; there are many taboos that are manmade and the Holy Spirit is the perfect discerner!
[19] Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. (2Ti 2:19 KJV)
[12] For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hbr 4:12 KJV)
Yes indeed, Frank. The Saviour knows them that he saves, and them that are pseudo-believers who merely made mental assent and recited a poem called "the sinner's prayer".

I read a small book once which recommended the "Jesus Prayer". It was written, I think, by Eastern Orthodox, and the idea was to build up your prayer daily until you could recite it 5,000 times a day and ever increasing. You could call it a "mantra" I suppose. Not much wrong with the prayer itself, but to repeat it endlessly without faith, worthless.

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News Item2/5/13 3:32 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
John, it is an important issue, especially as historically there have been taboos foisted on the Christian public, and I do not know if such a thing exists today. Maybe we would be better off spiritually if there was.
In God's scheme of things, the human conscience under the influence of the Holy Ghost would inwardly know if something was not right. But how many today are genuinely filled with the Holy Ghost and under his influence?
Yes, John, isn't it wonderful that we have a Savior that can't be fooled and knows those that belong to Him and those that don't. You are correct; there are many taboos that are manmade and the Holy Spirit is the perfect discerner!

[19] Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. (2Ti 2:19 KJV)

[12] For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hbr 4:12 KJV)

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News Item2/5/13 1:47 PM
  
For the born again believer. Chapter 5 of the book of Ephesians is a lamp unto our feet.Their are other chapters in the N.T.also that say much of the way a believer conducts his or herself in this world.
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