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MONDAY, JAN 28, 2013| 18 comments| 1 commentary
Wisconsin sheriff urges residents to arm themselves
A sheriff who released a radio ad urging Milwaukee-area residents to learn to handle firearms so they can defend themselves while waiting for police said Friday that law enforcement cutbacks have changed the way police can respond to crime.

"I need you in the game," he says.

"With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option," he adds. "You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. ... Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there." ...


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News Item1/29/13 8:01 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
AJP Taylor wrote:
... whereas the Madison quote stated that most governments had actually taken that right away.
Perhaps you meant "should not" rather than "could not"?
I could have been clearer, or should have been clearer, or could or should have made it more clear, though had I thought about it, I would likely have said "could not rightfully..."
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News Item1/29/13 4:54 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
Well said, Mr. B. At least the Philistines were honest about why they would not allow Israel to have blacksmiths. They didn't try to say that it was to curb sword violence.
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News Item1/29/13 9:48 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr  b
I mean no disrespect to anyone, we're brothers and sister in Christ . If you want a gun if you don't , it's your choice . The gun isn't evil, it's the person who got their hands on it. You either choose light or darkness.
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News Item1/29/13 9:35 AM
Mr b | Long Island  Find all comments by Mr  b
I'm right there with you Kyle. I'm a collector . I'm responsible. Never would even think of using my rifles for more than skeet and target shooting. Somehow I'm demonized for it too . If a person wants to own a rifle or handgun , it's nobody's business . Not everyone who owns guns is irresponsible, disturbed or a criminal. But. We are labeld whacky because we support the 2nd amendment. Maybe those anti gun zealots don't like living free. Maybe they should move to Russia , England , or Australia .liberty and freedom is what makes America great . It's sad to see its own citizens being lead into slavery by our own government. They seem to want to be like the Israelites ,wanting to go back to Egypt cause its easier to have someone lord over you and tell you what to do and what you can have and how to live. Like sheep
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News Item1/29/13 7:07 AM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
I have never dropped my gun and shot anything, but somehow I'm being disadvantaged because someone else did? Look, if you don't like guns, don't buy one. It is impossible to vote to take away rights. That's like voting to change skin color. What you're taking about is "infringing" on the right.

It bothers me that you'd be voting by feeling, not fact.

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News Item1/28/13 8:55 PM
Barry from Ky | Northern Ky  Find all comments by Barry from Ky
Kyle wrote:
Barry,
You have the right to protect yourself with a gun at home, but you lose that right when you walk outside? What kind of logic is that?
There will always be careless people. The world is not perfect. I fail to see how some woman's carelessness constitutes due process against anyone else.
No Kyle, you still have the right to pack a weapon. I do feel that just because you have a right, you also have a responsibility. If it came to a vote to change the right to pack a gun out in public, I would not vote your way. Sorry. That is how I feel. The woman that dropped that gun that accidentally discharged got to walk away. I think she should have gone to jail!
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News Item1/28/13 6:25 PM
AJP Taylor  Find all comments by AJP Taylor
Mike wrote:
It was simply recognized that certain rights do not come from government, therefore could not be taken away by it.
... whereas the Madison quote stated that most governments had actually taken that right away.

Perhaps you meant "should not" rather than "could not"?

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News Item1/28/13 6:19 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
AJP Taylor wrote:
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Mike - it seems you also are taking issue with Madison rather than me. Go right ahead.
I'm curious. What did Madison say that gives you that impression?
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News Item1/28/13 5:50 PM
AJP Taylor  Find all comments by AJP Taylor
Kyle wrote:
I don't think you understand what a "right" is. By your logic, universal gravitation didn't exist until Newton.
With comparative reasoning like that, I need not worry what you think.

Mike - it seems you also are taking issue with Madison rather than me. Go right ahead.

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News Item1/28/13 5:19 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
AJP Taylor wrote:
If your quotation is correct they could not possibly have already had the right. Their former colonial government ("almost every other nation") having previously taken that right away. It would need to be expressly restored.
I suspect Madison was prone to hyperbole.
I don't think you understand what a "right" is. By your logic, universal gravitation didn't exist until Newton.
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News Item1/28/13 5:17 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
AJP Taylor wrote:
If your quotation is correct they could not possibly have already had the right. Their former colonial government ("almost every other nation") having previously taken that right away. It would need to be expressly restored.
I suspect Madison was prone to hyperbole.
It was simply recognized that certain rights do not come from government, therefore could not be taken away by it. The assumption on the part of most in power is that they are ultimate authority. The founders recognized the assumption for what it is, and legally restored the authority to where it belonged in the first place. And yes, there were attempts by the British to disarm the colonists.
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News Item1/28/13 5:12 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
Barry,

You have the right to protect yourself with a gun at home, but you lose that right when you walk outside? What kind of logic is that?

There will always be careless people. The world is not perfect. I fail to see how some woman's carelessness constitutes due process against anyone else.

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News Item1/28/13 4:25 PM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
Like Jim Lincoln, I have no problem with protection at home. My problem is with people packing around fire arms. I have no guns, i want no guns. I'm not afraid of guns. what do my repub friends say "guns don't kill people, people kill people". When people pack guns and are not trained to use them, you are asking for a big responsibility. Back in December of 2012 a lady with a conceal/carry permit let her weapon fall out of her purse and it went off and shot a table at McDonalds. Glad no one was shot and hope she does some soul searching to see if she is truly competent to carry a weapon around innocent people. The first line of the article says it all, "A sheriff who released a radio ad urging Milwaukee-area residents to learn to handle firearms"
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News Item1/28/13 4:10 PM
AJP Taylor  Find all comments by AJP Taylor
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
James Madison: "(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

Remember the second amendment did not GIVE rights to anybody, it confirmed rights they already had.

If your quotation is correct they could not possibly have already had the right. Their former colonial government ("almost every other nation") having previously taken that right away. It would need to be expressly restored.

I suspect Madison was prone to hyperbole.

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News Item1/28/13 3:53 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
James Madison: "(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

George Mason, author of the Virginia Bill of Rights, which inspired our Constitution's Bill of Rights, said, "To disarm the people — that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

Remember the second amendment did not GIVE rights to anybody, it confirmed rights they already had.

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News Item1/28/13 2:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item1/28/13 2:18 PM
gradyj  Find all comments by gradyj
AMEN. Mr. B
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News Item1/28/13 12:50 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
They might be charged as criminals for arming themselves . The govt would rather they lay down and be a victim . God forbid if a citizen arms his or herself . Personally I think every citizen should.
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