At some point in the past year, the United States experienced its 55 millionth legal abortion -- a tragic number that is far more than the combined U.S. death count of every American war since the nation's founding.
The total spans 40 years, beginning with the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision on Jan. 22 legalizing abortion nationwide. The abortion count is based on data compiled by the Guttmacher Institute, which supports abortion rights. National Right to Life releases an annual tally using the Guttmacher data.
"That's 55 million creative minds, 55 million people that could be working, 55 million that could be contributing to society," Randall K. O'Bannon, National Right to Life's director of education and research, told Baptist Press. "It's hard to fathom all the different ways in which any person has the potential to impact the community and impact our country. The loss is staggering."...
Ah, according to government sources it has only been 50 million since 1973, q.v. Abortion in the United States. You can't expect too much else, considering the USA isn't a Christian nation. Christians do have to work to show pregnant women there are other alternatives to abortion, while supplying the same.
Christopher000 wrote: I believe that elect souls, even in the womb, will yet be saved, even if they never see the light of day. John UK, I choose to believe this as well because nobody has been able to prove otherwise to me. I'm sure you remember the argument that ensued recently over this, heated at times, particular topic. Anyway, thanks for the response.
I sure do remember it Christopher, but sssshh, or Presby will be back, all hot under the collar, with his infant baptism theory.
I hadn't even noticed that there was a vid. What is it, a birth video? If so, no thanks. I think some things are much too personal to be viewed by just anyone...natural or not.
This video should not be allowed on this site. I understand how incredible it is, however this should be a safe place for all believers, even those who are struggling. The images at the end should have been screened.
I believe that elect souls, even in the womb, will yet be saved, even if they never see the light of day.
John UK, I choose to believe this as well because nobody has been able to prove otherwise to me. I'm sure you remember the argument that ensued recently over this, heated at times, particular topic. Anyway, thanks for the response.
Staggering statistics! Though pro life myself found the inclusion of the delivery scene a little too revealing if one is to embrace modesty. Birth is beautiful, but there is no need to show the baby coming out of the mothers body. Yes, the scene was shown with the birth process blocking most of the personal area, butI think we have enough nudity in the world without posting it on a Christian website.
terminologically speaking wrote: The "Particular" enthusiasts are being pedantic in their terminology. Perhaps John you will catch up with the Calvinists on this terminology too.
It depends on what sort of Calvinists you are referring to. Besides, the only reason you don't like TUPPIP is because it doesn't sound such a good acronym.
But at least I suppose I should be grateful you didn't call me a hyper-Wesleyan this time.
John UK wrote: You will see from above that I believe in particular redemption, which the Calvinist calls limited atonement, whereby Christ our Saviour has atoned for the sins of God's elect in particular, and they can never come into condemnation, no matter what happens
Congratulations John in using the term "Calvinist" - Instead of "frenchy" Well done at last!!!
Dictionary:: *Particular.*:- "of or pertaining to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general"
*Limited*:- "confined within limits; restricted or circumscribed"
Ultimately there is no difference to the end result.
The "Particular" enthusiasts are being pedantic in their terminology. Perhaps John you will catch up with the Calvinists on this terminology too.
Always remembering that it is God who has applied (past tense) any limits to the salvation of the elect.
110 million wrote: This is the infamous 1971 SBC Resolution No. 4---On Abortion: "W H E R E A S , Others advocate no legal abortion [the Roman Catholic Church alone], or would permit abortion only if the life of the mother is threatened; ... Be it further Resolved, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, in- cest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother." _________________ This Resolution was sustained throughout the 70s and 80s and is one from which they cannot recover.
Sort of like the RCC's inquisition, Allan Schwarb?
Or the RCC's soteriology....
CANON 9: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."
.... which is leading billions down the broad path of eternal damnation of body and soul?
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks John...that makes sense. I guess I was considering a specific baby killed by a specific doctor. I was thinking that maybe that child was to grow up and be responsible, through their witness, to lead that particular Doctor to Christ. I understand though...if they are chosen, they are chosen, one way or another?
Yes, the particularly redeemed doctor in his sins will be witnessed to by a particularly redeemed saint, to bring him to the salvation God planned for him in eternity. Why God permits him to be so evil until that point is God's prerogative. If it helps any, I believe that elect souls, even in the womb, will yet be saved, even if they never see the light of day. This too is a wonderful doctrine which leaves nothing to "chance". God knows what he does.
You will see from above that I believe in particular redemption, which the Calvinist calls limited atonement, whereby Christ our Saviour has atoned for the sins of God's elect in particular, and they can never come into condemnation, no matter what happens. The punishment for sins can never be applied twice, once in the Saviour and again in the sinner.
Redemption and the application of it always go together, and the two will never be found separated.
Thanks John...that makes sense. I guess I was considering a specific baby killed by a specific doctor. I was thinking that maybe that child was to grow up and be responsible, through their witness, to lead that particular Doctor to Christ. I understand though...if they are chosen, they are chosen, one way or another?
Christopher000 wrote: That's 55 million creative minds, 55 million people that could be working, 55 million that could be contributing to society," ...and my comment would be this: How many living today, or in the past, will remain lost for all eternity because one of the children they murdered was suppose to share the good news with them or make some sort of other spiritual impact in their life?
Good morning Christopher. There is a simple answer to your question, and it is "none". So don't lose any sleep over it.
You are making salvation of sinners a very haphazard affair, whereas the sovereign Lord has all things in hand. His elect were secured in eternity, were saved when the temple's curtain was torn from top to bottom, and experienced it in time when the gospel came with power, bringing new birth, repentance and faith. Nothing can separate God's elect from his love and salvation.
These biblical doctrines are most wonderful, and show that salvation is by grace alone, indeed, all of grace. Nothing is left to "chance" because "chance" does not exist in God's dictionary.
That's 55 million creative minds, 55 million people that could be working, 55 million that could be contributing to society,"
...and my comment would be this: How many living today, or in the past, will remain lost for all eternity because one of the children they murdered was suppose to share the good news with them or make some sort of other spiritual impact in their life?
This is the infamous 1971 SBC Resolution No. 4---On Abortion:
"W H E R E A S , Others advocate no legal abortion [the Roman Catholic Church alone], or would permit abortion only if the life of the mother is threatened; ...
Be it further Resolved, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, in- cest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother."
_________________
This Resolution was sustained throughout the 70s and 80s and is one from which they cannot recover.
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been 50 million since 1973, q.v. 
