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FRONT PAGE  |  4/30/2016
THURSDAY, JAN 17, 2013  |  26 comments
Guns, abortion, and tyrants
Guns and abortion. One is an enumerated, constitutional right, and the other is not. The Second Amendment guarantees the right of the people of the United States to keep and bear arms. It’s not a government-given right; it’s a natural right—the right to defend yourself, your family, and your freedom.

In rare circumstances, abortion might be necessary to preserve the mother’s life. But there is no right to kill unborn babies in the U.S. Constitution. But 40 years ago next week the U.S. Supreme Court contended that abortion is an implied “right of privacy,” one that previously had lain hidden in our founding document.

I made the point on social media that conservatives should tie any talk of gun restrictions to abortion restrictions. You want to infringe on an enumerated right? Do the same for an implied right that results in the death of an unborn baby. You want to rid the country of guns? Then ...


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News Item1/24/13 10:51 AM
Pedant  Find all comments by Pedant
No.

cause for alarm wrote:
And those founding tyrants that gave us these amendments , bill of rights and constiution, and liberties you and i enjoy are being eradicated by these new tyrants you seem to have no issue with
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News Item1/23/13 10:25 PM
cause for alarm  Find all comments by cause for alarm
And those founding tyrants that gave us these amendments , bill of rights and constiution, and liberties you and i enjoy are being eradicated by these new tyrants you seem to have no issue with
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News Item1/23/13 9:10 PM
Pedant  Find all comments by Pedant
cause for alarm wrote:
The founders of this nation wouldnt stand for this treason, but we do.
That's right, the founders of "this nation" would be too busy committing their own treason.
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News Item1/23/13 8:58 PM
cause for alarm  Find all comments by cause for alarm
Guns, abortion, tyrants, sounds like our govt. Maybe thats what they should change the name to. God help us for falling asleep while these that have a "form of godlieness" slowly enslave us all. God forgive me for blogging. Sitting here is doing nothing. The founders of this nation wouldnt stand for this treason, but we do. Something is very wrong. We deserve the judgment we get for allowing the heathen to lord over us.
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News Item1/20/13 4:37 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Llandrindod Wells wrote:
No need to apologise to me, no offence taken. However, your hypocritical attacks on Jim speak for themselves.
Interesting. Jim doesn't seem to mind the discussions. Perhaps he should be the one to point out the hypocrisy in them? I realize we are all prone to blindless of our own faults, but I don't actually remember posting a position which I do not believe.
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News Item1/20/13 4:15 PM
Llandrindod Wells  Find all comments by Llandrindod Wells
Mike wrote:
Please accept my apologies for insensitivity to your grammatical sensitivity.
No need to apologise to me, no offence taken. However, your hypocritical attacks on Jim speak for themselves.
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News Item1/20/13 4:12 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Llandrindod Wells wrote:
Whereas you believe that otherwise intelligent and literate constitutional writers put totally redundant clauses at the start of their sentences for no reason.
Please accept my apologies for insensitivity to your grammatical sensitivity.
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News Item1/20/13 3:42 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yawn is right, when hearing the uninformed comments from Republicans, ah you didn't read from the 2008 Supreme Court decision, Mike of NY? The Supreme Court Ruling on Guns; There Is Something for Both Sides in the Culture War Over Gun Control.

Some you guys work for gun manufacturers or its vicar the NRA? The NRA is really the spokesman for the gun manufacturers more than anyone else. As you should know 90% of the NRA membership wants background checks as you can read at the bottom of this blog, Jan. 17 Updates on the Gun Violence Debate Oh, and of course, >POLL: After Newtown Shootings, Most Back Some Gun Controls.

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News Item1/20/13 3:39 PM
Llandrindod Wells  Find all comments by Llandrindod Wells
Mike wrote:
Yawn. You read funny.
Whereas you believe that otherwise intelligent and literate constitutional writers put totally redundant clauses at the start of their sentences for no reason.
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News Item1/20/13 3:19 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, UPS, the 2nd Amendment dealt with state malitias, and the Supreme Court also dragged in the 14th, if memory serves but anway:
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Yawn. You read funny.
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News Item1/20/13 3:09 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
inalienable -- given by God, secured, natural.....

"we hold these truths to be self-evident"

it is evident to all humans that others have the same right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

in other words, when we take away another man's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, or in other words, steal, that our consciences are pricked if they are not severed.

in the Mao regime and others, you'll see a disenfranchised group,, like for them the poor youth, and they will then "steal" to "get even" at society.

which is the inherent danger of putting society into "groups" and demonizing them.

in my opinion, you cannot and God allows us not to eradicate the inherent inalienable value of the human individual, even as written in the 10 commandments.

It says not a qualifier as to which human being, all.

any Christian, be it poor, rich, white, black, country or city dweller that lets themselves get drawn into "group think" or "group hate" is being led away from the community of believers into the world.

demonizing groups is a way to shift power, advance of the self or the group in an illegitimate way. this is not the way of Christ.

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News Item1/20/13 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, UPS, the 2nd Amendment dealt with state malitias, and the Supreme Court also dragged in the 14th, if memory serves but anway:
Justice Scalia wrote:
Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited...
[It is] ... not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

"We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those "in common use at the time". We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual weapons.'"

The court even recognizes a long-standing judicial precedent "... to consider... prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons."

excerpt from, ...
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News Item1/20/13 1:56 PM
  
Let's see if white space postings are allowed.
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News Item1/18/13 6:08 AM
Mr. B | N.Y.  Find all comments by Mr. B
I don't know. Mr white space. .i post comments from my iPod touch.
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News Item1/18/13 5:00 AM
White space  Find all comments by White space
wrote:
That's right unprofitable servant. Awesome comment and well spoken truth. God bless you
Howd u get to post without a moniker?
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News Item1/17/13 7:59 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Llandrindod Wells wrote:
An excellent parallel.
Yes, Do away with the IMPLIED rights of private gun ownership divorced from well regulated (i.e. controlled) militia service [District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008); McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010)]
As has been pointed out, it isn't an implied right, it exists outside the realm of privilege granting by government. The 2nd codifies the pre-existing right. There is no group right that excludes the private right in the 2nd Amendment. The clarifying portion, if it isn't obvious, is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms.." It doesn't say the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, as if the militia were somehow disconnected from the people who compose it. In any case, nothing at all is said allowing federal self-injection into the matter. If you think it's ok, because "we have to do something," point to the president's constitutional authority to do so.
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News Item1/17/13 5:43 PM
  
That's right unprofitable servant. Awesome comment and well spoken truth. God bless you
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News Item1/17/13 5:15 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
The original intent and purpose of the Second Amendment was to preserve and guarantee, not grant, the pre-existing right of individuals to keep and bear arms. Although the amendment emphasizes the need for a militia, membership in any militia, let alone a well-regulated one, was not intended to serve as a prerequisite for exercising the right to keep arms.

The Second Amendment preserves and guarantees an individual right for a collective purpose. That does not transform the right into a "collective right." The militia clause was a declaration of purpose, and preserving the people's right to keep and bear arms was the method the framers chose to, in-part, ensure the continuation of a well-regulated militia.

There is no contrary evidence from the writings of the Founding Fathers, early American legal commentators, or pre-twentieth century Supreme Court decisions, indicating that the Second Amendment was intended to apply solely to active militia members.

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html

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News Item1/17/13 4:37 PM
Mr. B | Long beach new York  Find all comments by Mr. B
No , I dont
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News Item1/17/13 2:29 PM
Llandrindod Wells  Find all comments by Llandrindod Wells
Mr. B wrote:
The gun laws, I won't imply.
But YOU DO!
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