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WEDNESDAY, JAN 9, 2013  |  36 comments  |  1 commentary
Death penalty for holding Bible?

Just possessing a Bible still can be cause for a death penalty in North Korea, so it’s no surprise that the hermit kingdom remains No. 1 on this year’s World Watch List of the world’s most notorious persecutors of Christians, a project assembled by Open Doors USA.

Persecution of believers also increased sharply across Africa, eight out of 10 worst offenders are ruled by Muslim theocracy and Egypt, under the Muslim Brotherhood, actually saw its ranking lowered, but not because of any improvement there. It was because of worsening conditions elsewhere, the report said.

In North Korea, a possible lesser penalty for someone having a Bible would be for the offender, and three generations of his or her family, to be sent to prison camps, where at estimated 50,000 to 70,000 people are held. ...


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News Item1/14/13 11:41 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi Frank, I wasn't aware of your daughters prior life before doing a 180°. Boy, that's just terrible. I've heard of that before where someone, who once knew Christ, decides to hang it all up and fall into utter disbelief. I have to assume that there was a death or something that happened in her life that she didn't understand and ended up blaming God for? Well, that's all none of my business but what a terrible thing for a parent to go through, especially when , well, I'll leave it there...
I don't understand how that's even possible when someone knew Christ. I don't understand how anyone can be so comfortable just hanging it all up when they once believed, without any doubts.
Anyway, I'll continue to pray for her as I have been since you posted.
No, there was no catastrophic event that caused her to do that. If someone "knows" Christ, they can never fall away. Paul said they went out from us, therefore they weren't one of us. She simply fooled me and herself.
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News Item1/14/13 7:26 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Frank, I wasn't aware of your daughters prior life before doing a 180°. Boy, that's just terrible. I've heard of that before where someone, who once knew Christ, decides to hang it all up and fall into utter disbelief. I have to assume that there was a death or something that happened in her life that she didn't understand and ended up blaming God for? Well, that's all none of my business but what a terrible thing for a parent to go through, especially when , well, I'll leave it there...
I don't understand how that's even possible when someone knew Christ. I don't understand how anyone can be so comfortable just hanging it all up when they once believed, without any doubts.
Anyway, I'll continue to pray for her as I have been since you posted.
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News Item1/12/13 4:56 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
I agree with everything you wrote, although the abundant life may mean what you referred to as the spirit filled life. But, you and I will agree that although Paul lived a spirit filled life; he longed to depart. Ph 1:21
[16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: [17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. [18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Rom 8:16-18 KJV)
Amen Frank. It is a wonderful thing that we agree on most things, without even a mention of a confession or other literature. Of course, in the spring, you'll have the opportunity to amend my thinking on endtimes; but even then, we shall agree on the most important aspects, such as the final great judgment.

As for Paul wishing to depart and be with Christ, which is far better, it is inevitable that when we are granted a glimpse of the glory of heaven, we shall not even desire the very best earth can afford us, as it would pale into insignificance. The moment I was saved I desired heaven there and then.

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News Item1/12/13 4:48 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
I know what you mean bro. Many times in my life I have longed to be away and be with the Lord. But then...
John 10:10 KJV
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
There is such a thing as quality of life in the Spirit, and when I have experienced this, it has been just like living in heavenly places, surrounded by peace and joy, heavenly protection, and a complete disregard for temporal disturbances. To live or die becomes irrelevant, Christ is all in all and has the preeminence.
I agree with everything you wrote, although the abundant life may mean what you referred to as the spirit filled life. But, you and I will agree that although Paul lived a spirit filled life; he longed to depart. Ph 1:21

[16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: [17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. [18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Rom 8:16-18 KJV)

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News Item1/12/13 4:04 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Now this may not stand the test of theology, but I have always thought the more difficult our lives are here, the easier it will be to let go of them when the time comes; the more we will yearn for heaven. And, if we handle our circumstances according to the word of God, then the greater our rewards in heaven will be. When I read about our persecuted brethren around the world that thought is always in my mind. I always want them delivered, but the Lord may not!
Your sister sounds like a wonderful Christian lady. I may just put her on my permanent prayer list.
I know what you mean bro. Many times in my life I have longed to be away and be with the Lord. But then...

John 10:10 KJV
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

There is such a thing as quality of life in the Spirit, and when I have experienced this, it has been just like living in heavenly places, surrounded by peace and joy, heavenly protection, and a complete disregard for temporal disturbances. To live or die becomes irrelevant, Christ is all in all and has the preeminence.

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News Item1/12/13 3:41 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Well you know the Lord has chosen to allow our bodies to decay away until they won't work any longer. Just imagine if we lived in Adam's day and lived for several hundred years. It must have been a small foretaste of heaven, but for the fall.
Yes, my friend submits herself to the authority of God's word in all things, including manner of dress, no makeup or jewellery, wears a hat in fellowship, sets her heart on things above not on things on the earth, accepts every word of scripture as the word of the living God, inerrant and inspired, therefore his word to her; is always evangelising whatever she is doing, whether working, travelling on a bus, in hospital etc etc.
Now this may not stand the test of theology, but I have always thought the more difficult our lives are here, the easier it will be to let go of them when the time comes; the more we will yearn for heaven. And, if we handle our circumstances according to the word of God, then the greater our rewards in heaven will be. When I read about our persecuted brethren around the world that thought is always in my mind. I always want them delivered, but the Lord may not!

Your sister sounds like a wonderful Christian lady. I may just put her on my permanent prayer list.

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News Item1/12/13 3:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
It is great to hear that things are going well with you and with the Evangelistic outreach. Yes, my daughter is in the Lord's hands and He will eventually make the "right" decision regarding her salvation. I prayed for your sister that held the buffet for a week as I promised and I hope things are going well with her and the Lord allows her to witness with power and authority; in spirit and in truth. BUT NOT TEACH OR LEAD!
My body is grumbling more and more and more and more every day.
Well you know the Lord has chosen to allow our bodies to decay away until they won't work any longer. Just imagine if we lived in Adam's day and lived for several hundred years. It must have been a small foretaste of heaven, but for the fall.

Yes, my friend submits herself to the authority of God's word in all things, including manner of dress, no makeup or jewellery, wears a hat in fellowship, sets her heart on things above not on things on the earth, accepts every word of scripture as the word of the living God, inerrant and inspired, therefore his word to her; is always evangelising whatever she is doing, whether working, travelling on a bus, in hospital etc etc.

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News Item1/12/13 3:20 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Okay thanks Frank.
The evangelism went very well, and I thank you for prayers. Good things are coming from it. Some unbelievers are coming to the meetings now, and we are praying for fruit in the Holy Ghost. Also, other evangelistic endeavours are in the pipeline.
It is very sad about your daughter, but only time will tell. Our only recourse is to pray, and leave it with the Lord. He knows what he does.
I am feeling my age, but am wanting to serve the Lord until the day I see him face to face. And I am somewhat revitalised; if the spirit is willing, never mind what the flesh says, grumbles etc.
It is great to hear that things are going well with you and with the Evangelistic outreach. Yes, my daughter is in the Lord's hands and He will eventually make the "right" decision regarding her salvation. I prayed for your sister that held the buffet for a week as I promised and I hope things are going well with her and the Lord allows her to witness with power and authority; in spirit and in truth. BUT NOT TEACH OR LEAD!

My body is grumbling more and more and more and more every day.

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News Item1/12/13 3:04 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Christopher wanted the name of my daughter that I noted in a previous post. The one that professed Christianity for years, actually served with missionaries in Germany, went with me on a trip into communist Romania, and now professes to be an atheist. GO FIGURE.
I just included it in reply to the wrong post. Old age will do that to you; just wait and see.
How are you doing?
Okay thanks Frank.

The evangelism went very well, and I thank you for prayers. Good things are coming from it. Some unbelievers are coming to the meetings now, and we are praying for fruit in the Holy Ghost. Also, other evangelistic endeavours are in the pipeline.

It is very sad about your daughter, but only time will tell. Our only recourse is to pray, and leave it with the Lord. He knows what he does.

I am feeling my age, but am wanting to serve the Lord until the day I see him face to face. And I am somewhat revitalised; if the spirit is willing, never mind what the flesh says, grumbles etc.

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News Item1/12/13 2:48 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Christopher wanted the name of my daughter that I noted in a previous post. The one that professed Christianity for years, actually served with missionaries in Germany, went with me on a trip into communist Romania, and now professes to be an atheist. GO FIGURE.

I just included it in reply to the wrong post. Old age will do that to you; just wait and see.

How are you doing?

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News Item1/12/13 1:57 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Sandra!
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News Item1/12/13 12:15 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
I'll inquore about the forum but I wonder
what sort of action it saw when it was around since there's not a lot of posting that goes on here. Although, that could be the result of being limited to the news story of the day.
Ups & Frank...ok, understood.
Sandra!
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News Item1/11/13 9:47 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Thanks to all for your prayers for my son Sam. We moved him back home. Such a sad story Frank, definitely will be praying for your daughter. God bless you all.
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News Item1/11/13 8:48 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I'll inquore about the forum but I wonder
what sort of action it saw when it was around since there's not a lot of posting that goes on here. Although, that could be the result of being limited to the news story of the day.
True enough. The forums were a healthy exchange, and debates could go on for 12 months or longer, and sometimes necessitated a deeper level of sanctification than could be acquired any other way.

Bring 'em back, please.

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News Item1/11/13 7:13 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I'll inquore about the forum but I wonder
what sort of action it saw when it was around since there's not a lot of posting that goes on here. Although, that could be the result of being limited to the news story of the day.

Ups & Frank...ok, understood.

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News Item1/11/13 6:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Biblicist wrote:
Hey John UK! So ur still here then
If they were biblical I would have found them by now.
But to please u, i'll keep searching. If I find even an hint of them, i'll be sure to let you know.
I shall look forward to it.
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News Item1/11/13 6:08 AM
Biblicist  Find all comments by Biblicist
John UK wrote:
The Lord be with you too, Biblicist. Good to hear from you. Did you arrive at the biblical doctrines of grace yet?
Hey John UK! So ur still here then

If they were biblical I would have found them by now.

But to please u, i'll keep searching. If I find even an hint of them, i'll be sure to let you know.

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News Item1/11/13 4:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Biblicist wrote:
Thank you Lurker. I have been looking for these for some time now.
How do we know when someone posts to these? Is there some way to track new postings?
Blessings to all who knew me when I was posting a few years back.
The Lord be with you too, Biblicist. Good to hear from you. Did you arrive at the biblical doctrines of grace yet?
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News Item1/10/13 9:17 PM
Biblicist  Find all comments by Biblicist
Lurker wrote:
Actually, such a forum already exists ...Members Survey
Thank you Lurker. I have been looking for these for some time now.

How do we know when someone posts to these? Is there some way to track new postings?

Blessings to all who knew me when I was posting a few years back.

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News Item1/10/13 8:08 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
hello Jim....sorry, I have been too busy praying for the family of Carly Christenson.

as for Franks comment.. differences of opinion among those who love Christ are often derived not from spiritual differences, but differences in experience. that is why the younger generation has to be heard. they are in the frontlines so to speak, of the change of society, even if it sounds peculiar to us ("it never happened to me, therefore it isn't happening")..... when we were children these things did not happen... and so I think it is important that we hear one another out.

Some on here are history buffs. We in America like to read stories of WWII, for obvious reasons. What stands out to me are those who saw the concentration camps and would run back to their communities and speak of what they witnessed, and the response was, "oh, they wouldn't do that".

Let's not forget that human nature is played out. Its not just a talking point.

I pray, as well, for believers to remain strong and in the faith... great testimony, amen... precious to the Lord are His children.

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