Relics said to be from Jesus' birth to be at Chicago church
Tiny fragments said to be from the manger that held the infant Jesus, the veil of his mother, Mary, and a thread from the cloak of St. Joseph will be displayed by a Roman Catholic church in Chicago when it celebrates its 155th anniversary on Sunday.
The fragments, released by the Vatican in 1972, were a gift to the Holy Family Church from the Shrine of Our Lady of Pompeii, also in Chicago. Displaying them now has particular significance because of their association with Christmas, which marks the birth of Jesus.
The Rev. Jeremiah J. Boland, administrator of the church, said on Friday that he is "not that interested" in carbon testing the items to see if they are from the beginning of the Christian Era.
"The Vatican has its own process to determine the authenticity of things," Boland said. "I'm more concerned with it as an object of faith."...
Crucifix Relics and You wrote: How do millions of Lutherans and Anglicans, who genuflect to a crucifix, somehow commit the unpardonable sin?
That is the second time you have asked that question and both times the only one calling it the unpardonable sin is you. What is the point you are trying to make?
Personally, I don't see it like that. I see that as being respectful to God and acknowledging what Jesus did on the cross as opposed to actually worshipping the cross itself. Maybe I'm wrong in this instance and others will disagree...I don't know.
As for the unpardonable sin, isn't that grieving the Holy Spirit and contributing the works of Christ to those of Satan?
I think it's very interesting how the RC church has always removed the 2nd commandment, and replaced it with another split commandment. I'm aware of the logic that the apologists use to defend this when they are confronted, but we all know that the real reason is to in fact support idolotry. The RC church relies on the fact that few Catholics read/study the Word of God, but rather depend on the litergies for their food. They are aware, however, that most Catholics know the 10 commandments and/or have placards of them hanging on a wall. So, relic, host, saint, and Mary worship...no problem because their version of God's commandments makes no mention of the issue.
Martin Luther got tired of relics even before you did C000. or for that matter Charles Spurgeon,
Charles Spurgeon wrote: With what indignation, then, must the Lord look down upon that apostate harlot, called the Romish Church, when, in all her sanctuaries, there are pictures and images, relics and slivines, and poor infatuated beings are even taught to bow before a piece of bread. In this country, Popish idolatry is not so barefaced and naked as it is in other lands; but I have seen it, and my soul has been moved with indignation like that of Paul on Mars' Hill, when he saw the city wholly to idolatry; I have seen thousands adore the wafer, hundreds bow before the image of the Virgin, scores at prayer before a crucifix, and companies of men and women adoring a rotten bone or a rusty nail, because said to be the relic of a saint. It is vain for the Romanist to assert that he worships not the things themselves, but only the Lord through them, for this the second commandment expressly forbids, and it is upon this point that the Lord calls himself a jealous God....
"The Vatican has its own process to determine the authenticity of things,"
From 2000 years ago...I doubt it.
Well, here's how I see it: when Jesus was born, He was a nobody to the world, save for the wisemen, and Joseph and Mary who were told by angels that He would save mankind. Their closest friends also knew that He would be someone special, but nobody knew until much later what His real purpose was and that He was God incarnate.
My point is that nobody would have the wherewithal to throw some pieces of the manger into their pocket and that the RC church has somehow retained these relics for the past 2000+ years. What would the manger have consisted of anyway...some hay on the floor in the corner of the barn?
I'm not trying to sound disrespectful but I'm tired of all of these "holy" relics these people claim to have to make themselves sound like they are the one true church; the be all and end all of Christianity. They have always worshipped these relics, treating them as the most holy of things...severed fingers, heads, foreskin, hands, bones, rooms full of bones attached to the walls, etc, etc, etc...sounds pretty morbid amd dark to me.
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Dr. Alan Cairns | 8/3/2009
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or for that matter Charles Spurgeon,
christopher000 from rhode island: "thanks for helping me to make some sense of..."
