Hobby Lobby, the Christian-owned company that provides hobby, arts and crafts supplies to tens of millions of customers across America, will defy the Obamacare mandate that health insurance for its employees cover “abortion-inducing drugs.”
The confirmation is from a statement released by an attorney, Kyle Duncan, who said in a website statement that, “The company will continue to provide health insurance to all qualified employees. To remain true to their faith, it is not their intention, as a company, to pay for abortion-inducing drugs.”
The conflict is the latest firefight in the battle against Obama’s mandate that employers pay for abortifacients no matter their religious beliefs. The administration has argued in many of the dozens of lawsuit that have erupted over the conflict that religious people who own corporations must give up their rights to religious freedom....
"Birth Control, as popularly understood today and involving the use of contraceptives, is one of the most repugnant of modern aberrations, representing a 20th century renewal of pagan bankruptcy." — Dr. Walter A. Maier, Concordia Lutheran Theological Seminary, St. Louis, Missouri, c. 1930.
What's the leading cause of 21st Century pagan bankruptcy? 20th Century birth control.
Even the Assembly of God's Green Family understands the connection. You don't kill off your kid and continue to call yourself Christian. Where's the army of evangelical Protestant theologians covering David Green's back as he is publicaly-assulted by the Government and the Press? Where's Gil Rugh's press release slamming the President's attack on the Constitution, freedom of religion, the church, tiny children and the family?
Hobby lobby is standing up for what they believe no matter what it costs them. That's how we should be . Never mind the theological arguments. Abide by the word and live it out. Keep it simple. Hobby lobby will be blessed for what they are doing. May we follow that same path. A Muslim stands for what they believe inspite of who and what it costs them. Well , so should we. I may not always be right, my point may be argued , but Im not here to be liked , I'm here to follow Jesus
jpw wrote: likely the business will go down, highly symbolic of what will happen to human beings or people, man, woman and child. a coorporation is not a human being...
In the strictest sense, on the legal document, a corporation is a legal entity. However, that piece of paper does not run the business, people do. That piece of paper does not produce the product or service, people do. That piece of paper does not deliver the product or service, people do. Those employees are not a legal document. Just last year a guy got fired for appearing in a video he made being rude to a Chik-fil-A employee. Why? Because he represented a corporation, and that was not the image they wanted out in public, not because of a legal document. Corporations ARE people. The ones who work there, the investors, and the other business and people they serve with their product or service. Not enough characters to address why it would not be a good idea for everybody to have their own sheep and trade for wool products or whether having to steal to avoid starving to death and living with no food and shelter is preferable to working long hours for low wages. (not saying conditions there are ideal)
likely the business will go down, highly symbolic of what will happen to human beings or people, man, woman and child. a coorporation is not a human being. so I will not lament the end of a business, but rather the people who have invested their time and energy to do legitimate selling and trading. and even more so for the forced eugenics on a society, the loss of a man's freedom to take care of his body, and to provide nourishment through the working of land and legitimate work.
funny thing is that people could return to the land and feed and clothe and care for themselves right now.
instead of buying plastic and synthetic yarn, they could, for instance, have sheep and trade wool products. who is it for me to interject that buying Chinese products made by slaves could be part of the problem?
what orwellian talk....this plan has nothing to do with "care".
The demonic Obama and his minions are now going to use the court system to force them into bankruptcy, which will in the end bring WAY MORE MONEY into Obama's hands to murder preborn babies then if they just shut the whole company down, or sold it. Or unless there is some truly safe way to only hire pt people. Otherwise MARK MY WORD they will all go down and be slandered in the media to create a justification for getting forced into bankruptcy, the media being Obama's slaves and mouthpiece and NO NOT THE MINSTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS as some slanderously interpret the Bible to mean for all governments without any exception. Only a violent civil war will stop America from further fall, and since that will never happen again, you only have two real choices left: GIVE IN or GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN like our forefathers got out of Romanist and Calvinist Europe when they were placed in similar situations under those governments in their times.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Now you sound like the president, "you didn't create that..." The State did not create Hobby Lobby, David Green risked his capital to put the company together. The state does not create individuals, (I Timothy 6:13a)"In the sight of God, who gives life to everything..." and who says they want man as their king, we are not a monarchy. This isn't Cuba, the state is not all in all. We can fire our elected representatives. Our government is not above the law and the president is clearly violating the rights granted in our constitution. If you just being sarcastic, sorry I missed that point.
John Beechy wrote: Hobby Lobby is a State-created company, and the workers are State-created "persons," so the State can do whatsoever it pleases with its creations. If these people want man as their king, then homage and allegiance to the State is required first, foremost, and above all, as the State is all in all, and then, and only then, can a "person" worship his little Jesus, Buddha, Mary, or himself.
Now you sound like the president, "you didn't create that..." The State did not create Hobby Lobby, David Green risked his capital to put the company together. The state does not create individuals, (I Timothy 6:13a)"In the sight of God, who gives life to everything..." and who says they want man as their king, we are not a monarchy. This isn't Cuba, the state is not all in all. We can fire our elected representatives. Our government is not above the law and the president is clearly violating the rights granted in our constitution. If you just being sarcastic, sorry I missed that point.
Hobby Lobby is a State-created company, and the workers are State-created "persons," so the State can do whatsoever it pleases with its creations. If these people want man as their king, then homage and allegiance to the State is required first, foremost, and above all, as the State is all in all, and then, and only then, can a "person" worship his little Jesus, Buddha, Mary, or himself.
"Not relevant, Jim. Christianity is not a religion. You start from a wrong premise. You lump the faith of Jesus Christ as one of many religions, which it isn't. It is one of a kind, it is from God, and is above secular rule. You seem to forget that the court has no authority to redefine what it is, just so it can rule against it. Why do you do that? Try finding this authority in the Constitution if you can't find it in the Bible. It isn't there either".
"Christianity (from the Ancient Greek: Χριστιανός Christianos and the Latin suffix -itas) is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings." -Wiki/Christianity
The premise is wrong. They are not discriminating against an employee by not paying for their birth control. They are not stopping an employee from purchasing birth control. The Obama administration is discriminating against them by requiring them to violate their religious convictions
...But also remember being a secular business they can't discriminate because of race, religion, etc. Many businesses did that in the past, Christians and blacks have benefited from businesses being "secular." The HCA law needs to be changed, not the idea of secularism...."
Jim, I am missing your point? Are you saying that Hobby Lobby must offer the Birth Control?
Jim Lincoln wrote: Mike you seem to forget there are some who think, Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists is the Christian way of doing things and they would discriminate in hiring Jews and Blacks, though the State won't allow them to excercise their religious prejudices. One can't run a business in a vacuum. Religious organizations have a lot of good protection in this country, where even Scientology ---
Not relevant, Jim. Christianity is not a religion. You start from a wrong premise. You lump the faith of Jesus Christ as one of many religions, which it isn't. It is one of a kind, it is from God, and is above secular rule. You seem to forget that the court has no authority to redefine what it is, just so it can rule against it. Why do you do that? Try finding this authority in the Constitution if you can't find it in the Bible. It isn't there either.
Mike you seem to forget there are some who think, Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists is the Christian way of doing things and they would discriminate in hiring Jews and Blacks, though the State won't allow them to excercise their religious prejudices. One can't run a business in a vacuum. Religious organizations have a lot of good protection in this country, where even Scientology (q.v., What is Scientology? ) is called a valid religion in this country, but not in countries like Germany.
Being studio personnel in a t.v. station is an extremely hard thing to do, while they use to run tobacco advertisements, they still do run liquor advertisements, and have shows obscene shows on. So? what is these personnel and even station owners who object to such things are going to do? They might be able to run golden oldie shows if they can afford the services that provide them, hold their noses, and try to counteract the bad effects they are having on the community in other ways, or just get out of the business. Oh, stations have been closed for unfairness in politics too.
Jim Lincoln wrote: --- As the Supreme Court judge pointed out, this is a secular business and not a church, and there were other appeals to be made by the Greens anyway. But also remember being a secular business they can't discriminate because of race, religion, etc. Many businesses did that in the past, Christians and blacks have benefited from businesses being "secular." The HCA law needs to be changed, not the idea of secularism.
No court has authority to overrule the free exercise clause of the 1st Amendment. Period. If Christians own a business, it cannot become anti-Christian in its management, merely because some "judge" calls it secular. Everything a Christian does is, or should be done, as a Christian lives out his faith. Defending the ongoing attempt to ghettoize Christians into a building on Sunday, or to make the Faith private and personal only, is unjustifiable.
These HHS Mandates will drive the faithful out of their businesses and church properties and deep into the Christian catacomb. Obama will leave the religiously inert church undisturbed.
The government of the United States has absolutely no business forcing any citizen, business, church or school to provide funding for the purpose of destroying an unborn human life.
It's better to obey God rather than man. I hope Hobby Lobby stands their ground.
3. Of or pertaining to this present world, or to things not spiritual or holy; relating to temporal as distinguished from eternal interests; not immediately or primarily respecting the soul, but the body; worldly. New foes arise, Threatening to bind our souls with secular chains. Milton.
As the Supreme Court judge pointed out, this is a secular business and not a church, and there were other appeals to be made by the Greens anyway.
But also remember being a secular business they can't discriminate because of race, religion, etc. Many businesses did that in the past, Christians and blacks have benefited from businesses being "secular." The HCA law needs to be changed, not the idea of secularism.
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