While CNN’s Piers Morgan is a well known critic of America’s Second Amendment, he has now ventured into a new campaign to reform another document critical in the development of western civilization; the Bible.
During a discussion on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight” on Monday — Christmas Eve — with Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren, Morgan argued that there needs to be an “amendment to the Bible” for same-sex marriage, because like the Constitution, the Bible is “inherently flawed.”
“Both the Bible and the Constitution were well intentioned but they are basically, inherently flawed. Hence, the need to amend it,” Morgan told Warren during a conversation where Morgan emphasized the need for America to separate Church and State....
Mike wrote: You know that isn't what I said the parable was about, John. But it does reveal a principal of investment and gain, which parable would not have been used if said parable example were not right in his sight, though it had deeper meaning. Does the Lord use false example to reveal truth?
Phew! I misread your words then, Mike. Sorry about that. And what a relief.
John UK wrote: Mike, if the parable of the talents is about making a good profit (free enterprise), then alas I am undone, and woe is me, for being so unsuccessful in my work.
You know that isn't what I said the parable was about, John. But it does reveal a principal of investment and gain, which parable would not have been used if said parable example were not right in his sight, though it had deeper meaning. Does the Lord use false example to reveal truth?
Mike wrote: Hi John, Francis was mistaken for he denied Scriptural teaching. The biblical principal as you know is this: 2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." **I see free enterprise in the parable of the talents. Note the criticism of the one who made no profit for the master.** Also the parable of the virgins. Note when the foolish said "Give us of your oil.." the response was go "buy for yourselves" They were free to buy earlier, but didn't.
Mike, if the parable of the talents is about making a good profit (free enterprise), then alas I am undone, and woe is me, for being so unsuccessful in my work.
John UK wrote: Good morning Mike St Francis of Assissi had a certain interpretation of scripture, by which he possessed nothing at all, and for daily sustenance he and all his followers had to beg from others. Now if his Bible principle was true, it ought to be able to work if everyone followed it. But obviously if all followed his example, there would be no-one with possessions to beg from, and everyone would starve to death. I was just wondering if Free Enterprise ....would work if every person embraced it. Naturally this would have to be theoretical, because of the points you mentioned. However, if it was a biblical principle, therefore commanded by God, it ought to work if everyone obeyed him.
Hi John, Francis was mistaken for he denied Scriptural teaching. The biblical principal as you know is this:
2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."
I see free enterprise in the parable of the talents. Note the criticism of the one who made no profit for the master.
Also the parable of the virgins. Note when the foolish said "Give us of your oil.." the response was go "buy for yourselves" They were free to buy earlier, but didn't.
Mike wrote: 1)Probably not. Not everyone is comfortable with freedom. If the world were Christian, perhaps. 2)It would cause problems, esp for govt types with control issues.
Good morning Mike
St Francis of Assissi had a certain interpretation of scripture, by which he possessed nothing at all, and for daily sustenance he and all his followers had to beg from others. Now if his Bible principle was true, it ought to be able to work if everyone followed it. But obviously if all followed his example, there would be no-one with possessions to beg from, and everyone would starve to death.
I was just wondering if Free Enterprise (the modern word for capitalism) would work if every person embraced it. Naturally this would have to be theoretical, because of the points you mentioned. However, if it was a biblical principle, therefore commanded by God, it ought to work if everyone obeyed him.
John UK wrote: Mike, 1)do you think it would be possible for everyone in the world to be Free Enterprisers, or 2)would that cause a problem?
1)Probably not. Not everyone is comfortable with freedom. If the world were Christian, perhaps. 2)It would cause problems, esp for govt types with control issues.
From where does the erudition come to the secular mind? A truly erudite mind would understand that it is possible to be blind to certain realities. So far, I have never met one, secular or no, who would assert that nothing was outside of their grasp. Sadly, we cannot 'see' that we are blind to something, until we see it. I believe even Mr. Morgan might understand and attest to this, were it brought to his attention.
Constitution trumps Bible wrote: To the erudite secular mind, the Bible was wrong about slavery...marrying your rapist.
An even worse place in hell is reserved for the darkest souls on earth like you. How ironic it will be in the blackness of darkness forever, shameless Bible manipulating heretic.
Mike wrote: Not really. A true free enterpriser wants others to be free enterprisers. He's more likely a mere filthy lucretist socialist who wants for himself, but not so much for others. You know, like governments who rob the people, but find someone else to blame so the people never quite catch on? Happening here right now.
Mike, do you think it would be possible for everyone in the world to be Free Enterprisers, or would that cause a problem?
Not really. A true free enterpriser wants others to be free enterprisers. He's more likely a mere filthy lucretist socialist who wants for himself, but not so much for others. You know, like governments who rob the people, but find someone else to blame so the people never quite catch on? Happening here right now.
Lamentable. This poor clay pigeon. Difficult to believe that this blind individual could have come from a country that produced the likes of Spurgeon, Flavel, Owen and so many other enlightened souls. Wish I could say that I was never like him. But that is what gives us the edge, and that is one of our most powerful tools. We have been where they are, and there but for the grace of God... Sad are they who 'tamely deliver up their conduct to be molded by the fashion of the day.'
Why is what ignorant buffoons say about the Bible, notable enough to be put into print?
As for his opposition to the 2nd Amendment? It is irrelevant, he is a British citizen. He should be aware by now the Revolutionary War is over. If he doesn't like the way things are here, no one will stop him from leaving. But like most foreign complainers, he does like American dollars.
But of course one of the most popular petitions is to have the Westboro Church in Kansas labelled as a hate group, White House petitions hit Westboro church. (No I didn't sign it or initiate it.)
Perhaps he is trying to get on a more watched network like Fox News, after all Rupert Murdoch owner of Fox also owns and produces most of the new bibles that have been amended, including Zondervan (NIV,NASB) Thomas Nelson (NKJV, The Voice) and Crossway (ESV)
Perhaps he is trying to get on a more watched network like Fox News, after all Rupert Murdoch owner of Fox also owns and produces most of the new bibles that have been amended, including Zondervan (NIV,NASB) Thomas Nelson (NKJV,
The U.S. is a libertine state. They've got freedom up the wazoo. Gay marriage is just another Constitutional 'emanation' that SCOTUS will undoubtedly find come June.
To the erudite secular mind, the Bible was wrong about slavery (it should have never been), the Scriptures, too, are wrong about gay marriage (it's a freedom that should have always been). In addition to a girl required to marry her rapist and the stoning of an incorrigible child, the pagan will presume the Bible also requires an update on slavery and marriage. Just like Microsoft frequently requires patches and revisions.
Why is it that Christians take a mushy defense posture? Piers should be asked, "what is your fundamental base for making such an assertion?" By what authority exposes the Bible as inherently flawed? We, as Christians, should be gentle but not ignorant. We have logic and truth on our side and should use them.
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(No I didn't sign it or initiate it.)
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