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WEDNESDAY, DEC 26, 2012  |  19 comments
Christians accuse retailers of 'airbrushing' religious iconography from Christmas cards
Christians have accused retailers of failing to promote their faith to shoppers by ‘airbrushing’ iconography and messages relating to the religion from Christmas cards.

The Bible Society is aghast that references to the nativity but invisible in aisles full of Christmas cards on display in supermarkets, card shops and convenience stores with just 34 out of 5,000 cards surveyed containing such content.

Images of Jesus, choirs and crosses are also in similarly scant supply, bringing the total volume of Christian themed content down to a paltry 2% according to their research. ...


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Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Yurich USA wrote:
The Catholic doctrines that Luther retained...
John, thanks for your response. Have to agree with Michael don't think the Holy Spirit led Martin Luther to retain Catholic doctrines or relics. I believe the only one saying that you have to be a member of an evangelical Protestant church and not a Catholic one to obtain salvation is you, no one else has suggested that. What they have been saying is that a truly born again Christian would separate from the Catholic church as proof of the faith he has. In the letters to the churches in Revelation you see the Lord rebuking them for having those who hold false doctrine in their assembly. We are to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather to reprove or expose them. Faith without works is dead, even the demons believe and tremble, so simple belief in salvation correctly as a doctrine grants none access to heaven. Baptism is a public statement of faith by those willingly identifying themselves with Lord to be buried with Him in death and raised to walk in newness of life, a baby does not have that ability. Not sure why going to another church you would not want to fellowship with anybody, another sign of salvation is that we love the brethren.
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News Item12/29/12 10:46 AM
Hoosier idol  Find all comments by Hoosier idol
Lutherans and Anglicans who worship rocks, sticks and bits of wood are somehow saved but Catholics are not?
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News Item12/29/12 10:30 AM
Angela Wittman | SW IL  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
RE: John Yurich - Why don't you attend a Lutheran Church (LCMS) instead of the Roman Catholic? I understand how few and far between are good churches, but surely there is a Lutheran church within driving distance.
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News Item12/29/12 6:09 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
Am I supposed to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church and be miserable since I do not want to fellowship with anybody and don't like non liturgy servi
John Yurich
Is your UNRegeneration showing?
First you accuse the Holy Spirit in "leading Luther" to retain RC practises.
Second apparently you don't have a genuine Biblical understanding of what being born again means and where it takes a person.
Also when a person stands before Christ it will matter greatly what church that person attended as it shows their loyalty to Him or their despising of Him and His word. And there is a reason why you wouldn't in your present state be happy in a protestant/evangelical church, those who are in the flesh are at enmity with God, His commandments, His ways and what pleases Him.

Lastly there is something wickedly wrong with RC infant (quote) baptism. It is not just an infant dedication but a false teaching and practise that in infant baptism RC babies supposedly receive 'sanctifing grace' (supposedly born again of the Spirit) and begin the process of worthless RC salvation through the RCC and blind themselves to their desperate need of REPENTANCE leaving their lives open to in vain add Jesus with a sinner's prayer.

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News Item12/28/12 7:00 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Michael Hranek wrote:
John Yurich,
May your own post speak to you.
Luther being born again came out of the Roman Catholic Church.
No, he wasn't perfect and came out with a pile of Roman Catholic baggage BUT he came out.
The Catholic doctrines that Luther retained in the Lutheran Church are scriptural otherwise the Holy Spirit would have guided Luther to not retain them in the Lutheran Church. And whether or not someone who is Born Again leaves the Catholic Church is totally superfluous since nowhere in the Bible is church membership in any church and that includes Evangelical Protestant Churches mentioned as being a requirement for gaining entrance into Heaven. When everybody stands before Jesus He will not look at the church that one attended in determining who will enter Heaven. The only thing He will look at will be if one had embraced Him as their Savior and Lord.
Unprofitable Servant, There is nothing wrong with Infant Baptism since it does not impart salvation but is just a dedication of infants to Jesus just as Adult Baptism is just a dedication of adults to Jesus. Am I supposed to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church and be miserable since I do not want to fellowship with anybody and don't like non liturgy servi
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News Item12/28/12 12:02 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Sdracs wrote:
Millions of Lutherans for hundreds of years have been genuflecting to the crucifix. How did this become The Unpardonable sin?
I answer this carefully, knowing it will probably be misread. No one that I can see is calling it the unpardonable sin. But making any object a symbol that represents God to which we bow down violates the second commandment and does not recognize that our Lord said God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
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News Item12/28/12 8:50 AM
Sdracs  Find all comments by Sdracs
Millions of Lutherans for hundreds of years have been genuflecting to the crucifix. How did this become The Unpardonable sin?
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News Item12/28/12 5:48 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
Luther was Born Again and yet he retained in the Lutheran Church the use of statues of Jesus and some Saints, pictures of Jesus and the Crucifix because he was sane enough to know that just owning those items and not bowing down to them and not praying to them is not in violation of the Second Commandment.
John Yurich,
May your own post speak to you.
Luther being born again came out of the Roman Catholic Church.

No, he wasn't perfect and came out with a pile of Roman Catholic baggage BUT he came out.

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News Item12/28/12 5:38 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Yurich USA wrote:
Luther was Born Again...
Luther also was an anti-Semite and practiced infant baptism. We can truly say he operated under limited light. In his days the Catholic church was still busy persecuting true believers. (read Foxe's book of Martyrs -- http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=John^Foxe) The Bible clearly asks can two walk together except they be agreed. Light has no fellowship with darkness. By your own admission the Catholic church practices false doctrine. All of us have a command to make our calling and election sure. All of us have a command to examine ourselves whether we be in the faith. Your test of whether you are born from above is whether you are going to love the Lord (and His commandments) above your liturgy. (Luke 14:33; II Corinthians 6:16-7:1;I John 2:3-6)
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News Item12/27/12 7:05 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
No image could be factual. I have no pictures due to all things are lawful but all things are not expedient or edify not. I am not desiring to cause needless offense. Again, Acts 17 definitely dealt with false idols that the people were bowing down to as false gods. Agree, if Jesus had long hair, Judas would have not had to betray Him with a kiss.
Luther was Born Again and yet he retained in the Lutheran Church the use of statues of Jesus and some Saints, pictures of Jesus and the Crucifix because he was sane enough to know that just owning those items and not bowing down to them and not praying to them is not in violation of the Second Commandment.
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News Item12/27/12 4:49 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Rufus wrote:
When we add Acts 17:29 to the mix I am uncertain what cause any believer would have for putting "Jesus" on a crucifix, hanging a picture of "him" in a Sunday School class or depicting an image of him calming the sea. Just like the nativity scenes of this season the depictions are typically factually in error and they often present a wicked impression (ie Jesus is a long-haired effeminate hippie) in the minds of those that see the image. I encourage believers to steer clear of any image attempting to depict the Father, the Word or the Holy Ghost.
"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device." - Acts 17-29
No image could be factual. I have no pictures due to all things are lawful but all things are not expedient or edify not. I am not desiring to cause needless offense. Again, Acts 17 definitely dealt with false idols that the people were bowing down to as false gods. Agree, if Jesus had long hair, Judas would have not had to betray Him with a kiss.
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News Item12/27/12 3:56 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
... If people are bowing down and worshiping images of our Lord, then they violate the second commandment. To have a picture of say, Christ calming the storm on the sea of Galilee would be like unto fulfilling Deuteronomy 6:8,9.
When we add Acts 17:29 to the mix I am uncertain what cause any believer would have for putting "Jesus" on a crucifix, hanging a picture of "him" in a Sunday School class or depicting an image of him calming the sea. Just like the nativity scenes of this season the depictions are typically factually in error and they often present a wicked impression (ie Jesus is a long-haired effeminate hippie) in the minds of those that see the image. I encourage believers to steer clear of any image attempting to depict the Father, the Word or the Holy Ghost.

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device." - Acts 17-29

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News Item12/27/12 2:55 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Exodus 20:4-5 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, . Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:..." Is clearly referring to a false image of God and bowing down to it. Because no man had seen God and He is not like unto any image they would have made. The Lord Jesus changed that paradigm. He was the fullness of the godhead manifested bodily, of who John said "our hands have handled." So, if someone had drawn a picture of say Jesus teaching in the temple,he would not have violated the second commandment. If people are bowing down and worshiping images of our Lord, then they violate the second commandment. To have a picture of say, Christ calming the storm on the sea of Galilee would be like unto fulfilling Deuteronomy 6:8,9.
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News Item12/26/12 6:57 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Angela Wittman wrote:
Not trying to be argumentative, but how do Lutherans interpret the Second Commandment's meaning? It seems to me the Reformed confessions pretty much denounce images of God which I interpret would include images of Christ on the cross and as a babe in a manger. The Heidelberg Catechism is even more explicit as it says in Q & A of question 97: May we then not make any image at all? God cannot and may not be visibly portrayed in any way. Creatures may be portrayed, but God forbids us to make or have any images of them in order to worship them or to serve God through them.
Luther retained most Catholic doctrines in the Lutheran Church including the use of statues of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, Saint Joseph and the Crucifix. Luther did not retain in the Lutheran Church the unscriptural Catholic doctrines. Luther retained the Mass in the Lutheran Church minus the unscriptural parts to the Mass. Luther also retained in the Lutheran Church holy days honoring the Saints that Luther retained from the Catholic Church.
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News Item12/26/12 3:07 PM
Angela Wittman | SW IL  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
Not trying to be argumentative, but how do Lutherans interpret the Second Commandment's meaning? It seems to me the Reformed confessions pretty much denounce images of God which I interpret would include images of Christ on the cross and as a babe in a manger. The Heidelberg Catechism is even more explicit as it says in Q & A of question 97: May we then not make any image at all? God cannot and may not be visibly portrayed in any way. Creatures may be portrayed, but God forbids us to make or have any images of them in order to worship them or to serve God through them.
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News Item12/26/12 8:45 AM
Luther's iconoclasts  Find all comments by Luther's iconoclasts
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News Item12/26/12 7:57 AM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
Christians, time after time, are in the wrong battlefield. Our fight is not against flesh and shopping malls, but against powers and principalities. Besides, "images of Jesus" do not represent our faith. Our faith in action represents our faith! I am dumbfounded like most Christians by those who "celebrate" Christmas without having faith in Christ, but cards are a distraction.
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News Item12/26/12 6:26 AM
earth today  Find all comments by earth today
The church and Bible doctrine has been "air-brushed" from society now for decades. So why be surprised about christmas cards??

Instead of Bible doctrine we get satanic Liberalism in most churches so again no surprise about cards.

The western nations now get their moral standards from the abomination which defiles the land and its people so why the surprise?

The murder of unborn infants is a national past time in western nations so......?

The western nations are working their way to hell and the political leadership, and Liberal church endorses that journey.

Psalm 140:8 Grant not, O LORD, the desires of the wicked: further not his wicked device; lest they exalt themselves. Selah.
9 As for the head of those that compass me about, let the mischief of their own lips cover them.
10 Let burning coals fall upon them: let them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that they rise not up again.
11 Let not an evil speaker be established in the earth: evil shall hunt the violent man to overthrow him.
12 I know that the LORD will maintain the cause of the afflicted, and the right of the poor.
13 Surely the righteous shall give thanks unto thy name: the upright shall dwell in thy presence.

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News Item12/26/12 12:41 AM
John for Jesus | Atl  Find all comments by John for Jesus
Christians can't expect the world to celebrate the birth of Christ. What get's me upset is trying to find Christian Christmas music on "Christian" music stations just to here "Jingle Bells" or "Here Comes Santa Claus".
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