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TUESDAY, DEC 18, 2012  |  27 comments  |  3 commentaries
The Decline of Evangelical America

IT hasn’t been a good year for evangelicals. I should know. I’m one of them.

In 2012 we witnessed a collapse in American evangelicalism. The old religious right largely failed to affect the Republican primaries, much less the presidential election. Last month, Americans voted in favor of same-sex marriage in four states, while Florida voters rejected an amendment to restrict abortion.

Much has been said about conservative Christians and their need to retool politically. But that is a smaller story, riding on the back of a larger reality: Evangelicalism as we knew it in the 20th century is disintegrating. ...


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Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
What Michael Hranek wrote:
Very well said concerning Roman Catholics.
It is a sin to withhold the truth .
By GODS gracious mercy HE saved myself
and my husband out of that satanic system.
May others be granted that grace, is our prayer!
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News Item12/24/12 10:53 AM
gone  Find all comments by gone
Why does Christian radio have even one woman? Fundamentalism is no longer on TV. Fundamentalism is no longer on Radio. Fundamentalism only exists on a few 90s-era backwater sites. Where did the red hot Sam Cathyes go? Even a 141 year old 14,000 member SBC went 'gay' two weeks ago. 90% of SA is pro-NA text. Many pastors embracing a billion year old Earth. What's going on? What's driving the demise of Fundamentalism?

in family wrote:
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News Item12/24/12 10:36 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
in family wrote:
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Speaking as a former knowledgeabe NEVER to be again Roman Catholic one of the worst, most UNLOVING things an evangelical can do against Catholic people who they care about and are friends with is to wrongly tell them or give them the impression they are fellow Christians a members in the family of God and be used by Satan to blind them to their desperate need to Repent of the False Religion they can love so much and to call out to Christ, who is mighty and willing to save them until He does.

Here would be an example why:
From Catholicism to Christ

in family,
I do not know who your Roman Catholic friends might be BUT know this they are going to hell apart from being genuinely saved by God and for God, so may you and I do everything we might rightfully do by the grace of God to see them saved AND NEVER Wickedly and Falsely Pretend because they profess to believe in God and Christ and are nice people, when they don't know Him as Lord and Savior and vilely substitute the RCC's Mary and Sacraments for the righteousness and holiness we can only have by Biblical faith in Jesus Christ as He is for real.

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News Item12/24/12 7:37 AM
in family  Find all comments by in family
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News Item12/24/12 7:15 AM
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Our Bott Radio Network now operates 90 broadcast signals covering 50 million people in 15 states. The following Broadcast Ministry Partners are helping us celebrate our 50th Anniversary in 2012 with messages of appreciation and support. Click on the individual links below to hear.

Thank you for listening.

Charles Stanley, In Touch
Chip Ingram, Living on the Edge
Chris Fabry, Love Worth Finding
Chuck Swindoll, Insight for Living
Dan Celia, Financial Issues Live
David Jeremiah, Turning Point
Dennis Rainey, FamilyLife Today
Erwin Lutzer, Running to Win
Flossie McNiell, Unshackled!
Haddon Robinson, Discover the Word/RBC Ministries
Hank Hanegraaff, Bible Answer Man
Howard Dayton, MoneyWise
Jack Graham, PowerPoint
James MacDonald, Walk in the Word
Janet Parshall, Best of In the Market with Janet Parshall
Janet Porter, Faith2Action
Jay Sekulow, Jay Sekulow Live!
Jim Daly, Focus on the Family
John MacArthur, Grace to You
Phyllis Schlafly, Phyllis Schlafly Live/Eagle Forum
Randy Carlson, Intentional Living
R.C. Sproul, Renewing Your Mind
Richard Land, For Faith and Family/Richard Land Live!
Robert Jeffress

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News Item12/24/12 6:50 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Becca wrote:
Up here in Maryland, you don't see this too much (you moreso see Word of Faith, an unhealthy emphasis on numerical attendance, and some Purpose Driven occasionally). Glad to hear you're not seeing it too much in your neck of the woods. Brannon Howse is a radio host who lives in Tennessee and he has seen a lot of this just across the board. I think what Jim is talking about is pretty much what Brannon means when he says that some Christians have "put the flag above the cross." Brannon's new book Religious Trojan Horse should address this as he has talked a lot about this issue on his radio show. God bless.
Becca
I appreciate your comments. Your mentioning Brannon Howse (Worldview Weekend) indirectly but very relevently touches on part of the problem we are having today.

How can we have a "Biblical Worldview" when we accept as authoritative contributors (1) Roman Catholic authors such as Phyllis Schlafly because she didn't speak on her religion only politics etc. or (2) Significant Compromisers such as Ravi Zacharias who both spoke to the Mormons in Salt Lake City Utah without warning them they have a false Jesus and refusing to pray in the name of Jesus during 2008's National Day of Prayer Event to not offend people.

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News Item12/23/12 5:23 PM
Evan Gelicals  Find all comments by Evan Gelicals
Psalm 38:1 O LORD, rebuke me not in thy wrath: neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure.
2 For thine arrows stick fast in me, and thy hand presseth me sore.
3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.
4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.
5 My wounds stink and are corrupt because of my foolishness.
6 I am troubled; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long.
7 For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease: and there is no soundness in my flesh.
8 I am feeble and sore broken: I have roared by reason of the disquietness of my heart.
9 Lord, all my desire is before thee; and my groaning is not hid from thee.
10 My heart panteth, my strength faileth me: as for the light of mine eyes, it also is gone from me.
11 My lovers and my friends stand aloof from my sore; and my kinsmen stand afar off.
12 They also that seek after my life lay snares for me: and they that seek my hurt speak mischievous things, and imagine deceits all the day long.
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News Item12/22/12 4:44 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim -- I expect Christ's return and consider every day a gift from God. Good day!
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News Item12/21/12 4:37 AM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
I think the woman that is riding the beast is still very influential with the goings of the beast.
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News Item12/20/12 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
By the way JPW, have you tried tofu? Probiotics' Benefits May Be More Than a Gut Feeling, well that is far as I'm going to go in pleasing people.

This is still a great commentary from an escapee from Ricky's church, A Purpose Driven Refugee. It should give people an idea why they do leave.

jpw, "rapture," is in the Bible just like "Trinity," even if those words are used, but the operational definition for either is certainly is in Scriptures. I would suggest that you look over ESCHATOLOGY--Different Rapture Views and Defending The Pre-trib Rapture or listen to the sermon, Pre- Vs Post Tribulational Rapture.

Yes, leaving idolatry is important and picking a version of the Bible for good reasons is helpful in that, see Comparing Bible Translations.

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News Item12/20/12 1:46 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
its in decline because a stubborn generation keeps saying that "its coming" and refuses to take up the suffering of those who "it" has already come to.

some of the strongest believers are leaving! warren's coorporate ceos come in and tell the elderly that the music has to be loud and the elderly can't handle the loud noise and leave.

its the families of autistic children, etc, who have had normal lives and then fallen to the eugenicist culture who are leaving.

they are forming small groups across the country, and leaving the 501 coorporation in the dust.

there are still some Godly leaders and great biblical churches out there.

but those who are walking through loss of jobs because of their faith or other such serious issues are finding the coorporation church to still be in "america is special" mode and refusing to take up the suffering of the younger generation living in darwins world.

I expect more and more decline. and then those who remain to grow stronger in their delusion, perhaps teaching more rapture theology and worship of the beast......unless we grow up and face what is upon the land now. and repent and come out of it. a process many believers have already come to. and I do not mean leaving a building, but leaving idolatry.

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News Item12/20/12 2:52 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I'm sorry that I didn't indicate that was a PDF file of Miles Stanford. Most of the time--and I do assume that you have the Adobe reader (It's free.) If you are using a Windows computer, it should integrate quite well with a Windows browser. While on android you do have to download a PDF file and then open it. There is a free version of the android reader for android also.

I would think the political emphasis that all too many churches--of course that's my personal opinion--is indicated by the article, and by the number of pastors who were going to flaunt the law and discussed politics from their pulpits even at the risk of losing tax exemptions.

I know I don't discuss politics at my church. My church not being a liberal ideas, I can assume most people are Republicans or at least conservative independents. Politics and football should be of equal importance in a church discussion--and perhaps put all a little more important --because neither have a direct bearing on what a church should be doing.

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News Item12/19/12 1:02 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
I.M. Wright wrote:
If the evangelical church is in decline, when was it in ascent?
A very good question.
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News Item12/18/12 7:18 PM
I.M. Wright | Isles of Langerhans  Find all comments by I.M. Wright
If the evangelical church is in decline, when was it in ascent? During the 1950s, when blacks had to sit in the back of the bus? Were those the Andy Griffith Show Good Old Days we wish we could have again?
And, if it was in ascent in those "good old days," what did it lead to? What was the great influence? What happened to all those "converts" that you see on the old Billy Graham Crusade programs?
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News Item12/18/12 6:42 PM
CAS | S.Cal  Find all comments by CAS
Here is the Cornerstone church website.

http://www.prescottcornerstone.com/people/

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News Item12/18/12 6:12 PM
Becca | Maryland  Find all comments by Becca
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
First, thanks to Becca from Maryland for the great and insightful comment. Second, let us hear from others on Jim from Lincoln's comment. I will admit most the people in the church I attend would more than likely vote republican. We don't take polls so I cannot guarantee that. However, I don't believe I have met any that are evangelical Republicans first and Christians as an afterthought. Politics doesn't get as much discussion time as sports, work, or family issues. Anybody else notices that those with whom they have fellowship put their conservative politics ahead of their Christianity? or is this just a straw man?
Up here in Maryland, you don't see this too much (you moreso see Word of Faith, an unhealthy emphasis on numerical attendance, and some Purpose Driven occasionally). Glad to hear you're not seeing it too much in your neck of the woods. Brannon Howse is a radio host who lives in Tennessee and he has seen a lot of this just across the board. I think what Jim is talking about is pretty much what Brannon means when he says that some Christians have "put the flag above the cross." Brannon's new book Religious Trojan Horse should address this as he has talked a lot about this issue on his radio show. God bless.
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News Item12/18/12 5:37 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
First, thanks to Becca from Maryland for the great and insightful comment. Second, let us hear from others on Jim from Lincoln's comment. I will admit most the people in the church I attend would more than likely vote republican. We don't take polls so I cannot guarantee that. However, I don't believe I have met any that are evangelical Republicans first and Christians as an afterthought. Politics doesn't get as much discussion time as sports, work, or family issues.
1)Anybody else notices that those with whom they have fellowship put their conservative politics ahead of their Christianity?
2)or is this just a straw man?
1)Haven't seen it in my fellowship.
2)Straw man. Jim likes to imagine there should be no connection between who we are(Christians) and what we do(be salt and light IN the world, which does not exclude the world of politics)
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News Item12/18/12 4:38 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Becca
I've already noticed that too many Evangelicals are evangelical Republicans first, perhaps Christians as an after-thought. ...
First, thanks to Becca from Maryland for the great and insightful comment. Second, let us hear from others on Jim from Lincoln's comment. I will admit most the people in the church I attend would more than likely vote republican. We don't take polls so I cannot guarantee that. However, I don't believe I have met any that are evangelical Republicans first and Christians as an afterthought. Politics doesn't get as much discussion time as sports, work, or family issues. Anybody else notices that those with whom they have fellowship put their conservative politics ahead of their Christianity? or is this just a straw man?
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News Item12/18/12 3:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Try downloading it....
Thanks Neil, this time it came up correctly, so I've saved it in My PDF's in My Documents. For some reason, the first time I tried, it came up all numbers and squiggles and was not readable at all. Thanks for offering a solution.
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News Item12/18/12 3:42 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Linky no worky, Jim.
Try downloading it, then opening it separately with a PDF reader, in case something's wrong with your plug-in or you have hyperactive antivirus software.

From what I can tell, it tries to re-use the vague political labels of Left & Right in a theological context, which is pointless & confusing.

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