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Choice News TUESDAY, DEC 18, 2012  |  19 comments
Young Earth Creationist Ministry's Biggest Critics: Christians

For 30 years, Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis has advocated a literal, straightforward reading of Genesis, the first book of the Bible. Interestingly, his staunchest critics have been fellow Christians.

Ham believes that God is the Creator of the universe and that it took six literal days for God to create everything. That view, he says, is a consequence of accepting the authority of the Word of God as infallible. To reject that belief is to undermine that authority.

Yet many Christians, he laments, not only dismiss the literal reading of the Creation account but also feel embarrassed by it. ...


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William S. Sutherland | Houston, Texas  Find all comments by William S. Sutherland
I used to watch Ankerberg's program occasionally, but when he had Hugh Ross on with his denying-the-Bible-as-clearly-written-in-Genesis agenda, I could take no more. A simple reading of Genesis 1 clearly shows it refers to days as we know them ( an evening and a morning). Ross, and those like him, are simply trying to accomodate the lie of evolution falsely-called science. I'll take God's Word over the theories of men any day! "Let God be true, but every man a liar."
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News Item12/26/12 2:07 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tony Cisneros AKA Observer?, we know your agenda also, Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists. I've already gave some excellent sources of arguments for the New Earth position, God, Man, and the Universe Introduction part 2 (with mp3 and PDF file) and even a more detailed ideas of Hugh Ross, q.v., Day Age-Progressive Creationism-Hugh Ross.

The historic Bible of the U.S. was the The Geneva Bible Of 1560.

Hmm, this fellow pointed out, "For one to believe that God inspired the King James Version of the Bible, he would be espousing Catholic or charismatic theology... Kindly put, that theological position is heresy to those of us who believe that the Words of Scripture were ended with the completion of John's finished manuscript of The revelation approximately 95-100 A.D." ---Jack Schaap from his book, --- Where are We Going?

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News Item12/20/12 11:06 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
ole wrote:
Old Earth Creationists include:

Ankerberg
Archer
Battle
Behe
Jennings Bryan
Bradley
Collins
Colson
Copan
Lane Craig
Geisler
Godfrey
Gonzales
Hannegraff
Hayford
Heeren
Hodge
Kaiser
Koukl
Lewis
Little
Mondore
Moreland
Newman
Neyman
Noll
Percey
P Phillips
W Phillips
Poole
Ramm
Richards
Ross
F Schaefer
Fr Schaeffer
Scofield
Snoke
Sproul*
Stobel
Taylor
Warfield

*waffling

While I'm Not A "Ruckmanite" When It Comes To My Uncompromising Stand On The Historic U.S. American Authorized English Holy Bible, The King James Holy Bible;

I'm Definitely Not An Alexandrian/Egyptian (Really Vatican-"Jesuit"-Agended) Corrupted-NT-Manuscript/Codex Cultist Like "Jim Lincoln" !

Who At Every Turn Will Spread Outriight Lies, False Propaganda & Idiotic Unreasonable Rhetoric Against The Historic U.S. American Holy Bible:

The King James Holy Bible !

We All Know "Jim Lincoln's" Agenda.

*He's An Occultic Freemason ! ? !

"Je[w]suit" ?

Bnai-Brither ?

Billy Grahamite ?

APOSTATE ?

"They Went Out From Us, But They Were Not Of Us; For If They Had Been Of Us, The Would No Doubt Have Continued With Us: But They Went Out, That They Might Be Made Manifest That They Were Not All Of Us."--1 John 2:19

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News Item12/19/12 2:54 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, what does an American child know about the bombastic AV? They and their parents stopped reading it in the 19th century?

Most of the people you listed are Christian--unlike many who support The Truth About KJV Only...Agendas.

2 Kings 18
3 And he did right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father David had done.
4 He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan.---NASB

Unfortunately for many, the AV has been turned into an idol like Nehustan

But if the really bad Bible, the AV, is what you prefer, you can get it in a Comparative Study Bible which will have three good translations in it, which will help prevent people falling into heresies such as referring to the Holy Spirit as, "it."

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News Item12/19/12 2:17 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
McGuffy--SchmaGuffy, What Would An Irishman (?) Or Celt (?) Know About The English Authorized King James Holy Bible ?

"Old Earth Creationists include:

John Ankerberg
Gleason Archer
John Battle
Michael Behe
William Jennings Bryan
Walter Bradley
Jack Collins
Chuck Colson
Paul Copan
William Lane Craig
Norman Geisler
Robert Godfrey
Guillermo Gonzales
Hank Hannegraff
Jack Hayford
Fred Heeren
Charles Hodge
Walker Kaiser
Greg Koukl
C.S. Louis
Paul Little
Patricia Mondore
J.P. Moreland
Robert Newman
Greg Neyman
Mark Noll
Nancy Percey
Perry Phillips
William Phillips
Mike Poole
Bernard Ramm
Jay Richards
Hugh Ross
Fritz Schaefer
Francis Schaeffer
C.I. Scofield
David Snoke
R.C. Sproul*
Lee Stobel
Ken Taylor
B.B. Warfield

*waffling"

Hmmm. And How Many Of The Above "Jewish"-Surnamed Individuals Were Open &-Or Secret (High-Ranking) Members Of The Freemasons--Or Of Their "Jewish"-Bankrolled Subsidiaries Like "Bnai-Brith", "Skull-&-Bones" & Etc.?

"Whose End Is Destruction, Whose God Is Their Belly, And Whose Glory Is In Their Shame, Who Mind Earthly Things." Philippians 3:19

"Beware Lest Any Man Spoil You Through Philosophy And Vain Deceit, After The Tradition Of Men, After The Rudiments Of The World, And Not After Christ." Colossians 2:8

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News Item12/19/12 2:10 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, one more thing for Observer, you can see how a Jewish physicist works at fitting in Creation in six literal days and still give the appearance of aged earth, how Zola Levitt might have thought it did work may or may not be correct, but you can watch that episode of his show here, Episode: “Genesis One — A Physicist Looks at Creation”

No, no American kid from the late 19th century on would touch the AV, Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today. The McGuffey Reader was a much more important influence.

McGuffey Fifth Reader, designed for the ten-year-olds of our American frontier wrote:
Erase all thought and fear of God from a community, and selfishness and sensuality would absorb the whole man. Appetite, knowing no restraint, and suffering, having no solace or hope, would trample in scorn on the restraints of human laws. Virtue, duty, principle, would be mocked as unmeaning sounds. A sordid self-interest would supplant every feeling; and man would become, in fact, what the theory of atheism declares him to be--a companion for brutes.
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News Item12/19/12 1:28 PM
Historical Biblical Literalist  Find all comments by Historical Biblical Literalist
C000W...The Average Professing Christian, In Fact The Average Man On The Street, Isn't As Analytical, Observant Or Informed On The Specifics Of The Data, Evidence & Proof The Biblical Literalist's Interpretation Of The True Historic Holy Bible--Which Is Complimented By The Phyical, Material, Cosmological & "Worldly" Evidence--Is The Only Accurate, True & Unquestionable Interpetation Of What Is, Has Been Or Will Be:

"Through Faith We Understand That The Worlds Were Framed By The Word Of God, So That Things Which Are Seen Were Not Made Of Things Which Do Appear."--Hebrews 11:3

Historically In The U.S.A., Since The True Holy Bible Was Removed From The Public Schools In The Early 1960s--And That True Holy Bible Was/Is The English Authorized King James Holy Bible--The U.S. Has Spiraled Down The Path Of Unprincipaled, Unethical & Immoral Degeneracy.

Historically, The Same Will Happen To The Professing U.S. Protestant-Christian Churches & Peoples Of Today & Tomorrow: When The Authorized King James Holy Bible Is Totally, Completely & Irrevokably Removed From The Pulpits, Homes & Hearts Of The Protestant Churches & People.

"The Lord Gave The Word: Great Was The Company Of Those That Published It."--Psalm 68:11

**And Great Was/Is The Company Who Interpret[ed] It Literally.**

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News Item12/19/12 8:21 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
HBLW...I believe in a young Earth as well and those who don't, I feel, are just willfully ignorant because there is so much proof. There is a lot of simple proof as well as technical. The oil pressure, the measurable sediment on the oceans floors, and the moon, continental erosion, level of silt in the Mississippi delta, the erosion rate of Niagara Falls, the quick formation of stalagtites and fossils, the coral reefs, the bristle cone pines, our measurably shrinking sun, etc, etc, etc, all testify to a young Earth. Even the Earths population testifies to a young Earth. What about dinosaurs? Well, they walked with man, of course.
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News Item12/19/12 7:59 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks James...checking it out today.
Walter, boy, do I miss that sky. I lived out in the counry in WI when I was younger and remember the amazing, awe inspiring wonder of the night sky. Simply amazing. So few have seen it without the pollution of distant, ambient light drowning it out. To be able to actually see the milkey way, etc...
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News Item12/19/12 2:32 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
COOO, I'm glad I'm integrating my URLs in my messages. You'll see the URLs when you use a standard browser.

No, looks like pure Aryans -- blue eyed blonds are the ones supporting the old earth idea. You can't blme

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News Item12/19/12 12:17 AM
Walter | Alabama  Find all comments by Walter
The heavens declare the glory of God. I just came in from staring up into an absolutely gorgeous night sky in remote rural Alabama. No city lights to mess it up. Every star He created was showing off. Breathtaking.
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News Item12/19/12 12:08 AM
Walter | Alabama  Find all comments by Walter
Which view gives our Father the most glory and awe?
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News Item12/18/12 8:44 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
ole wrote:
Old Earth Creationists include:
John Ankerberg
Gleason Archer
John Battle
Michael Behe
William Jennings Bryan
Walter Bradley
Jack Collins
Chuck Colson
Paul Copan
William Lane Craig
Norman Geisler
Robert Godfrey
Guillermo Gonzales
Hank Hannegraff
Jack Hayford
Fred Heeren
Charles Hodge
Walker Kaiser
Greg Koukl
C.S. Louis
Paul Little
Patricia Mondore
J.P. Moreland
Robert Newman
Greg Neyman
Mark Noll
Nancy Percey
Perry Phillips
William Phillips
Mike Poole
Bernard Ramm
Jay Richards
Hugh Ross
Fritz Schaefer
Francis Schaeffer
C.I. Scofield
David Snoke
R.C. Sproul*
Lee Stobel
Ken Taylor
B.B. Warfield
*waffling
Notice How The Majority Of The Named Individuals Above Have "Jewish" &-Or "Jewish"-Rooted Surnames?

Could It Be These "Jewish" &-Or "Jewish"-Rooted Surnamed Individuals Were "Indoctrinated", "Schooled" & "Sent" Into The Historic Biblical Literalist Christian Community, Churches & Institutions To Infiltrated, Destablize & Neutralize The Aforesaid Biblical Literalist Christian Community From Their Historic Stand On The Literal Interpreting & Rendering Of The True Historic Holy Bible Scriptures?

Looks Like That To Me.

--"If The Foundations Be Destroyed, What Can
The Righteous Do?" Psalm 11:3--

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News Item12/18/12 8:34 PM
ole  Find all comments by ole
Old Earth Creationists include:
John Ankerberg
Gleason Archer
John Battle
Michael Behe
William Jennings Bryan
Walter Bradley
Jack Collins
Chuck Colson
Paul Copan
William Lane Craig
Norman Geisler
Robert Godfrey
Guillermo Gonzales
Hank Hannegraff
Jack Hayford
Fred Heeren
Charles Hodge
Walker Kaiser
Greg Koukl
C.S. Louis
Paul Little
Patricia Mondore
J.P. Moreland
Robert Newman
Greg Neyman
Mark Noll
Nancy Percey
Perry Phillips
William Phillips
Mike Poole
Bernard Ramm
Jay Richards
Hugh Ross
Fritz Schaefer
Francis Schaeffer
C.I. Scofield
David Snoke
R.C. Sproul*
Lee Stobel
Ken Taylor
B.B. Warfield

*waffling

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News Item12/18/12 8:07 PM
Historic Biblial Literalist  Find all comments by Historic Biblial Literalist
Historic Biblical Literalists Have Always Taken The True Holy Bible Literally; In Their First Initial Reading, Rendering & Interpretation Thereof.

So It's Logical, Reasonable & Consequential That Historic Biblical Literalists Have Always Believed & Still Believe Today That God Created The World In Six (6) Literal 24-hr. Day Intervals--And That God Literally Rested On The Seventh (7th) 24-hr. Day Interval: Which Is The Sabbath (The Hebrew/Jewish Sabbath, Which Is Saturday [Or The Hebrew/Jewish Day Of Rest] -Opposite- The Judeo-Christian Sabbath, Which Is Sunday [Or The Historic Judeo-Christian Day Of The Celebration Of The Resurrection Day Of Jesus Christ]).

Being An Historic Biblical Literalist Myself, As Ken Ham Also Professes To Be, I Can Understand & See His Frustrations With The "Christians" That He Says Are Amongst His Most Avid Critics.

My Only Conclusion As To Why Many Other So-Called "Christians" Would "dismiss the literal reading of the Creation" & "feel embarrassed by it."--Would Have More To Do With The Professing "Christians'" Upbringing, Educational & Academic Backround; As Opposed To "Their" Profession/Confession Of Being Christian:

**Who've Historically, From The 1st Century Until Today, Have Interpreted The True Holy Bible Literally.**

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News Item12/18/12 4:58 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Where is this, on SA? Maybe there is a link that I can't see with my phone. I'll check when I get home sweet home because I like this kind of info.
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News Item12/18/12 2:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I have pointed out one of my church teachers, Pastor Don Goertzen has had some lengthy commentaries on Genesis, such as pointing out the errors of Hugh Ross, Day Age-Progressive Creationism-Hugh Ross

Near the end of this presentation, Don gave a list of Old Earth supporters--an interesting list. Anyway, this class lecture can be heard as an mp3 file or look at the pdf file which is a recreation of his powerpoint presentation. Since Don follows his PP presentation closely, you can get a good idea what was said, it is basically what he uses as a transcript. God, Man, and the Universe Introduction part 2.

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News Item12/18/12 7:31 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I've always believed in a six day creation and I don't believe in the gap theory, the gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. I believe that man and dinosaurs walked together. Dinosaurs were vegetarian until after the flood. Most dinosaurs were the size of sheep. Dinosaurs skeletons look ferocious, but so does the human being if one did not know what we should look like.
Before the flood of Noah, the climate, oxygen levels, radiation levels such as X and gamma rays, etc, etc, were very different. That's how they were able to live so long and grow so large. Reptiles never stop growing throughout their lifetimes. Because the climate was so different, carbon dating, etc can't be measured accurately. The fossils...instant compression from a raging, worldwide flood.
What's so difficult to believe?
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News Item12/18/12 5:52 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
"Ham believes that God is the Creator of the universe and that it took six literal days for God to create everything. That view, he says, is a consequence of accepting the authority of the Word of God as infallible."

It all starts with the inerrancy of scripture. Lose that, and you lose everything. The sword of the Spirit becomes a blunt blade.

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