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MONDAY, DEC 17, 2012  |  20 comments
Obama Administration's War on Religion

When David Green started his family-owned business 40 years ago, it was an enterprise housed in a garage, financed by a $600 bank loan. The first retail store, he recalled in a recent article for USA Today, ‚Äúwasn‚Äôt much bigger than most people‚Äôs living rooms, but we had faith that we would succeed if we lived and worked according to God‚Äôs word.‚ÄĚ Forty years later, it appears that the faith and the work have been abundantly rewarded. The company, Hobby Lobby, is now one of the nation‚Äôs largest arts and crafts retailers, with more than 500 stores in 41 states.

But the faith of Green and his family stands to be penalized, not rewarded, by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services mandate that requires coverage of contraception, sterilization, and abortion-inducing drugs, with no deductibles or co-pay, in the health insurance employers provide for their workers. Green, a devout Baptist, says his ...


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News Item12/31/12 2:22 PM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
Ya, ok.

Lurker wrote:
1) How can the state prohibit you from loving God with all your heart, mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself?
2a) True.
2b) Let the heathens do as they may. God will deal with them.
But since we have some religious liberties granted by the constitution, why not thank God for being born here rather than in a country where religion is dictated by the state and disobedience will cost you your head? Isn't it more profitable and God honoring to find something to be thankful for rather than whining about something beyond your control?
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News Item12/28/12 8:50 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John Beechy wrote:
1) God gives the liberty written on the believers' heart, the State god and its disciples prohibit such liberty.

2) Man-made constitutions are unholy and not inspired by God. I suppose my only whine about some constitution is man elevating it as some holy document when it ain't.

1) How can the state prohibit you from loving God with all your heart, mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself?

2a) True.

2b) Let the heathens do as they may. God will deal with them.

But since we have some religious liberties granted by the constitution, why not thank God for being born here rather than in a country where religion is dictated by the state and disobedience will cost you your head? Isn't it more profitable and God honoring to find something to be thankful for rather than whining about something beyond your control?

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News Item12/28/12 1:23 PM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
God gives the liberty written on the believers' heart, the State god and its disciples prohibit such liberty. Man-made constitutions are unholy and not inspired by God. I suppose my only whine about some constitution is man elevating it as some holy document when it ain't.

Lurker wrote:
OK, John. Since you explained what you meant I'll be straight with you.
You believe acting out you faith is religious liberty but you didn't say who (God or state) granted it. So I'll give you a couple biblical examples which clearly demonstrates that acting out one's faith is not a religious liberty granted by God but by men which can be taken away with the stroke of a pen.
Because of space constraints I'll ask you to read Daniel chapter 6 (specifically verses 6-9) and Acts 4:1-31 (specifically verses 13-18).
Believe what you will but I believe you are whining about religious liberties granted by the constitution which are slowly being taken away but what God has written on your heart (Jer 31:31-34) can never be taken away.
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News Item12/28/12 10:48 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John Beechy wrote:
I do not understand "softshoe routine" and "mental gymnastics." Anyway, since you are lurking out of a window of illusion, the problem you are having is seeing religious liberty as being possessing a Bible (what kind?) and being allowed (by who?) to read said Bible in the privacy (is a home private?) of your own (own?) home (what is meant by home?). I do not believe that. I believe if one has religious liberty he or she is free to be a doer of the faith. You either have it or you don't. Seems simple to me.
OK, John. Since you explained what you meant I'll be straight with you.

You believe acting out you faith is religious liberty but you didn't say who (God or state) granted it. So I'll give you a couple biblical examples which clearly demonstrates that acting out one's faith is not a religious liberty granted by God but by men which can be taken away with the stroke of a pen.

Because of space constraints I'll ask you to read Daniel chapter 6 (specifically verses 6-9) and Acts 4:1-31 (specifically verses 13-18).

Believe what you will but I believe you are whining about religious liberties granted by the constitution which are slowly being taken away but what God has written on your heart (Jer 31:31-34) can never be taken away.

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News Item12/28/12 4:29 AM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
I do not understand "softshoe routine" and "mental gymnastics." Anyway, since you are lurking out of a window of illusion, the problem you are having is seeing religious liberty as being possessing a Bible (what kind?) and being allowed (by who?) to read said Bible in the privacy (is a home private?) of your own (own?) home (what is meant by home?). I do not believe that. I believe if one has religious liberty he or she is free to be a doer of the faith. You either have it or you don't. Seems simple to me.

Lurker wrote:
1) Presumptious statement? I asked a question to which you responded with a softshoe routine.
2) What problem would that be? I don't consider your mental gynastics a problem of mine.
I'll ask again. What God given religious liberty are you being deprived of? Or do you just like to whine about the state whose grant of religious liberty is as stable as the shifting sands?
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News Item12/25/12 10:15 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John Beechy wrote:
1) Your presumptuous statement merely begs more questions, as does the one that followed.

2) Would you like help with the problem you seem to be having, or would you rather continue lurking through a window of illusion?

1) Presumptious statement? I asked a question to which you responded with a softshoe routine.

2) What problem would that be? I don't consider your mental gynastics a problem of mine.

I'll ask again. What God given religious liberty are you being deprived of? Or do you just like to whine about the state whose grant of religious liberty is as stable as the shifting sands?

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News Item12/25/12 8:38 PM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
Your presumptuous statement merely begs more questions, as does the one that followed. Would you like help with the problem you seem to be having, or would you rather continue lurking through a window of illusion?

Lurker wrote:
If you possess a bible written in your own language and you are free to read it in the privacy of your own home, what more did God provide by way of the Protestant Reformation that you are being deprived of?
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News Item12/25/12 1:56 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Beechy wrote:
There is no religious liberty and there never was. One powerful religion that defines and regulates religion does not constitute religious liberty. Religious bondage, yes. We are born into the religion of Statism and owe allegiance and obedience to the State god.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. That is a restriction on GOVERNMENT not on religion. Yes there WAS religious liberty and we still are blessed to have some today.
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News Item12/25/12 1:44 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John Beechy wrote:
There is no religious liberty and there never was. One powerful religion that defines and regulates religion does not constitute religious liberty. Religious bondage, yes. We are born into the religion of Statism and owe allegiance and obedience to the State god.
If you possess a bible written in your own language and you are free to read it in the privacy of your own home, what more did God provide by way of the Protestant Reformation that you are being deprived of?
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News Item12/25/12 1:28 PM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
There is no religious liberty and there never was. One powerful religion that defines and regulates religion does not constitute religious liberty. Religious bondage, yes. We are born into the religion of Statism and owe allegiance and obedience to the State god.
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News Item12/25/12 12:07 PM
Mr b | Long beach new york  Find all comments by Mr b
But obama is " celebrating" Christ . This guy is pathetic .
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News Item12/17/12 10:31 PM
Adrian | Canada  Find all comments by Adrian
It too is happening here north of your border. When will the Christians stand for truth and righteousness? I include myself in that statement. We sit by and watch minority groups make laws, change the way our children are taught, what they are taught. God give us the boldness and aggressiveness to stand up for your name!

Amen

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News Item12/17/12 7:06 PM
Martin | Texas  Contact via emailFind all comments by Martin
Mr. B,
Many are surprised, not at what the government is doing, but at the way that so many professing Christians are yawning about it and raising no voice of protest at what are clear violations of our constitution. Nowhere does the constitution say that business owners must set aside deeply held religious principles when running their business, or that they must operate their business on principles of secular humanism. Christians ought to make their voices heard; they ought to let government leaders know that assaults on religious liberty are not acceptable. I don't agree with Daniel B. when he says that serving God is not a right but a privilege, if he means we have no God-given right to serve the Lord in freedom. From the standpoint of what God owes us, it is true He "owes" us nothing but judgment. But in His grace to us, He has granted us certain rights. The government does not have any legitimate authority to grant us those rights or take them away. Human governments are established to secure and defend rights which God has granted to men. Governments will be judged by God when they refuse to recognize the God-given rights of their citizens.
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News Item12/17/12 6:30 PM
mr.b | long beach new york  Find all comments by mr.b
The govt is and is succeding in rubbing out God. Soon we who live like we believe in Him will be persecuted. We shouldnt be suprised but prayed up to face the onslaught
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News Item12/17/12 6:25 PM
mr.b | ling beach new york  Find all comments by mr.b
I dont know why everyone is suprised. Christianity has been under fire in other countries, its gonna happen here. Its happening now. I love daniel b's comment. He said it all.
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News Item12/17/12 6:07 PM
Martin | Texas  Contact via emailFind all comments by Martin
Jim,
There is a huge difference,in my opinion, between the government prohibiting the free exercise of religion (e. g., Obama attacking Hobby Lobby by forbidding it to operate according to the religious principles on which it was founded), and the government giving grants to "faith-based initiatives" that serve the public interest(for example, faith-based drug rehab programs that help U. S. citizens get off drugs.) I am not saying I support the latter, but I don't see how you can regard that as an "attack" on religious freedom in the way that Obama is so clearly attacking religious freedom by fining Hobby Lobby a million dollars a day. Faith-based initiatives are under no obligation to receive a penny of federal money; Hobby Lobby is under obligation to pay for abortions for their employees-- or else shut their doors. Remember, even Thomas Jefferson supported using federal money to finance Christian missions to Native Americans-- a fact that surprises many people. He would never have said that businesses which operate on moral or religious principles must give up those principles-- or else stop operating.
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News Item12/17/12 2:26 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I wonder where all the complaints were when "Baby Face" Bush was attacking religion? Bush-friendly Church Gets $1 Million 'Faith-based' Grant and The Faith-Based Initiative and ‚ÄėCharitable Choice‚Äô: Harmful to Religious Liberty and Civil Rights are as bad as any other attacks on Christianity. It seems that it was under GOP Presidents, the taps to tax money was turned on to fund Romish Schools, q.v., Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No. It was GOP court that ok'ed this obscenity.

The Greens have already started court cases to support their ideas. I suppose if he doesn't win, he can still campaign to have the law changed while obeying it, close his business, or move to another country. The Mennonites in Latin America might welcome him. Rendering To Caesar: A Biblical Perspective On Government

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News Item12/17/12 1:11 PM
Daniel B | North  Protected NameFind all comments by Daniel B
This happens because the church has been asleep and preachers preaching about health and wealth and teaching the church how to be good little compromisers on every issue they face. Serving God has always been a privilege and not a right. Reasonable service (Rom 12:1)
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News Item12/17/12 12:24 PM
John Beechy  Find all comments by John Beechy
There is no religious liberty and there never was. One powerful religion that defines and regulates religion does not constitute religious liberty. Religious bondage, yes. We are born into the religion of Statism and owe allegiance and obedience to the State god.
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News Item12/17/12 8:45 AM
Martin | Texas  Contact via emailFind all comments by Martin
This is an outrageous assault on religious liberty in this country, and it shows the hypocrisy of the Obama administration in their claim to be concerned about working people. They would rather put a company out of business that employs thousands of workers, rather than allow the company to continue to operate in accordance with the religious principles on which it was founded, if that threatens in any way their efforts at total government control of the private sector. How can one interpret their attack on Hobby Lobby as anything other than clear evidence that they are more about the implementation of their statist policies than about the interests of working people who already have jobs.
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