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SATURDAY, NOV 24, 2012  |  40 comments  |  1 commentary
Can Catholics Have the Assurance of Salvation?

I received a package in the mail last week from a Roman Catholic woman in our area. We have never met, but she thought I could use a little booklet entitled, "Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth." It was published by Catholic Answers. (www.catholic.com) This group is "the largest Catholic apologetics and evangelization organization in North America." They obviously have tremendous zeal to spread Catholic teachings to others. In fact, there are 5 million copies of this booklet in print.

"Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth" is very revealing. It was written by people who have been thoroughly immersed in Catholic doctrine. It states, "We are lay people devoting our full-time efforts to promoting the Catholic faith." The booklet has been endorsed and declared "free of doctrinal errors" by Roman Catholic theologians, but laid out in simple terms.

I was especially interested in the way they described the ...


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News Item11/29/12 8:18 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
John, thanks for your response. So, let ask you this in light of your saying Catholics are not unbelievers because they worship Jesus as God.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. (KJV)
Some of the strongest statements acknowledging the deity of the Lord came from the demons he was casting out. I am not equating Catholics to demons, just saying that just because one acknowledges Jesus as God does not necessarily make someone one of the redeemed.
I am not stating that because one worships Jesus as God that they are saved. One becomes saved only after embracing Jesus as their Lord and Savior. The demons do not worship Jesus as God. The demons of course worship their boss Satan.
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News Item11/28/12 10:57 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Yurich USA wrote:
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Unprofitable Servant, Catholics are not unbelievers because they worship Jesus as God. Unbelievers don't worship Jesus as God. ...
John, thanks for your response. So, let ask you this in light of your saying Catholics are not unbelievers because they worship Jesus as God.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. (KJV)

Some of the strongest statements acknowledging the deity of the Lord came from the demons he was casting out. I am not equating Catholics to demons, just saying that just because one acknowledges Jesus as God does not necessarily make someone one of the redeemed.

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News Item11/28/12 8:17 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks John
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News Item11/28/12 8:11 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
What are Jesuits...a cult? I see the people here being more like born again Christians.
Jesuits are Catholic priests in the order of Jesuit priests. That is all that I know about the Jesuits.
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News Item11/28/12 7:30 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
What are Jesuits...a cult? I see the people here being more like born again Christians.
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News Item11/27/12 9:58 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
FormerRomanCatholicCultist wrote:
I See This "Jesuit" Controlled Website Removed My Previously Posted Comment Without Saying Which "Jesuit" 'moderator' Removed It !
You tell us you don't know who removed you post. You also tell us the person who removed your post is a "Jesuit" 'moderator'. Since you don't know who removed your post it is impossible for you to know the person is a "Jesuit" 'moderator', therefore your statement is silly.

Ephraim also is like a silly dove without heart: they call to Egypt, they go to Assyria. Hosea 7:11 KJV

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News Item11/27/12 9:14 PM
pishaw  Find all comments by pishaw
'Count no man blessed until he is dead.'

"I first read that passage nearly thirty years ago while polishing my Greek for the Cambridge Common Entrance Exam. It haunted me then and it still haunts me now. Solon's point is obvious and powerful: one cannot assess a man's life until it is over, until he is dead and in the grave. Only then can one know if he really did have a happy life.  

"There would seem to be an application there to the Christian church: one cannot truly assess a Christian leader until one can see clearly what his legacy is. That is sobering to anyone who is a minister, from the pastor of a small church to the international statesman."
-Dr. Carl Trueman, Westminster Theological Seminary, Historical Theology and Church History. 

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News Item11/27/12 7:37 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Interesting, just from what I can see from the cover, but again it gives no real description? I would hope that it isn't The New Catholic Evangelization work? Something that John Y., in his own way is pushing. Catholic salvation isn't the Salvation Provided by God. John Y. How can a sinful person be accepted by a holy and Righteous God? Is not self-justification which I would submit you have been doing on SA for years.
Jim Lincoln, I am not pushing for individuals to become Catholic. I could care less if someone becomes Catholic because I don't consider the Catholic Church to be the only True Church. I consider any church that worships Jesus as God to be a True Church.

Unprofitable Servant, Catholics are not unbelievers because they worship Jesus as God. Unbelievers don't worship Jesus as God. The reason why I have not left the Catholic Church yet is not because I believe that leaving it would have an effect on my eternal destiny. It is because I am more comfortable with the liturgical worship over the non liturgical worship of Evangelical Protestant Churches. I don't have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness because I reject and repudiate the unscriptural RCC doctrines and I only adhere to the scriptural RCC doctrin

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News Item11/27/12 4:51 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ah..ok. Thanks John!
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News Item11/27/12 4:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi Jim, who is Gil Rugh? I've seen his name mentioned a lot. Pastor somewhere?
Jim won't be back til tomorrow, so I'll let you know that Gil is pastor of Indian Hills Community Church, which just happens to be the church Jim attends.
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News Item11/27/12 4:19 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Jim, who is Gil Rugh? I've seen his name mentioned a lot. Pastor somewhere?
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News Item11/27/12 2:32 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
It is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that makes the believer's life and way of life different. The Spirit's control over a life results in a lifestyle characterized by holiness thereby giving evidence of salvation.....
Every believer's life is being transformed by the Spirit. This transformation will be ultimately culminated in glorification, guaranteed by the Spirit's presence. Today the redeemed are under obligation and are responsible to live under the authority and control of the Spirit. In doing so, the resulting life is evidence of genuine salvation. A profession of faith without an observable change of life is an indication of no salvation.

The warning given is that a life still given over to the control of the flesh and its satisfaction will result in damning corruption and ultimate destruction.

excerpt from the summary for, Evidence of Salvation.

Something to answer your observations, "used," I would add, The Catholic Way of Salvation saves people for Satan and the Lake of Fire.

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News Item11/27/12 12:07 PM
used  Find all comments by used
Do this: Listen to every funeral sermon on SA. Find one where the assurance of salvation isn't applied to even the most notorious member or, for that matter, non-member. Assurance is abused.
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News Item11/27/12 9:28 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Oops...I meant that to be according to the RCC.
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News Item11/27/12 9:19 AM
Uncertainty principle  Find all comments by Uncertainty principle
It's hard to touch the Gospel and not sully it with works. Every modern preacher has failed in this noble endeavor.
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News Item11/27/12 7:28 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Mr. Sean Harris had a good, short, commentary on this. He talked about grace and works being the requirements for getting to Heaven.
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News Item11/26/12 5:16 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
"Can Catholics Have the Assurance of Salvation?"

Sure, as long as they regard scripture, e.g. 1 John 5:13, over anything their church may teach to the contrary.

Much easier said than done, I'm sure, for them. Shame.

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News Item11/26/12 2:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Now that is an amen redmanj7 You can't make a Pilgrimage From Rome while you're still in the Romish Church.
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News Item11/25/12 4:28 PM
redmanj7 | USA  Contact via emailFind all comments by redmanj7
It is not, it was actually at one point carried by Banner of Truth, not sure if it still is. Webster is a former Catholic who has been saved through God's grace and has many books that explain in detail, in as loving a way as possible, why the RCC is a cult. Unless you are completely ignorant to the teaching of the church or hell bent on ecumenism at any cost, you cannot be a Christian by the bibles definition and affirm, or sit under their authority.
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News Item11/25/12 3:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
redmanj7, interesting, just from what I can see from the cover, but again it gives no real description? I would hope that it isn't The New Catholic Evangelization work? something that John Y., in his own way is pushing. Catholic salvation isn't The Salvation Provided by God.

John Y., How can a sinful person be accepted by a holy and Righteous God? is not self-justification which I would submit you have been doing on SA for years.

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