The CDC has been reporting annually on the number and rate of abortions since 1969. The annual numbers are based on voluntary reports from states and some other municipalities. A few states, such as California, which is the most populous, do not report. That explains why the CDC said there were about 785,000 abortions in 2009, while other estimates put the number at more than 1 million.
To make comparisons possible, the CDC said it used the data from 43 states and two cities that have been reporting the numbers each year for 10 years. Those areas account for 772,630 abortions in 2009, or about 98.5% of the total reported to the federal agency....
Jim Lincoln wrote: Using the same newspaper, Neil, Hospital Death in Ireland Renews Fight Over Abortion, it looks like this could have been handled differently? When something like this happens to your wife, you may have a different outlook?
Read more carefully — the article says the woman had septicimia, so would you have me believe abortion is a cure for that? According to two RNs we know, an invasive, bloody procedure like abortion would've hastened her death, not prevented it.
Either way, the widower is not an expert witness, & we are not privy to the doctor's opinions. Justice requires hearing of both sides of a case before passing judgment.
Christians are not suppose to use any kind of birth control? Is it considered the same as having an abortion? My wife is Roman Catholic, not Christian, and she uses birth control.
The first command is to be fruitful and multiply and the second is to not eat of the fruit. The latter was violated eons ago. The prior is actively being violated by a majority of Christians for at least 50 years.
When you raise His ire, watch out. Wrath happens.
jpw wrote: that doesn't even include the ones we never know about taking the birth control pill, where the third mechanism comes into play. folks, looks like heaven's going to be full.
that doesn't even include the ones we never know about taking the birth control pill, where the third mechanism comes into play. folks, looks like heaven's going to be full.
Joseph Murphy wrote: Thanks for the comment about R.C. Sproul's 2013 conference. Too bad they couldn't have covered that subject during the Republican National Convention, when the issues of contraception and abortion would have been good to ask the delegates to make a stand on. Unfortunately, the subjects were included in this year's election, and led to Obama's victory, since it is easy to scare young women into voting to "save their rights to abortion and birth control." But Republicans still control most state legislatures, so all is not lost.
Yes. If only this were discussed from the pulpit decades ago, perhaps the US wouldn't be almost completely enveloped in paganism.
How is Sproul's conservative PCA also not compromising by standing against contraception, abortifacients, abortion and sterilization?
For Sproul, Ligonier and the PCA, repentance and a public rending of garments would be a good start.
Thanks for the comment about R.C. Sproul's 2013 conference. Too bad they couldn't have covered that subject during the Republican National Convention, when the issues of contraception and abortion would have been good to ask the delegates to make a stand on. Unfortunately, the subjects were included in this year's election, and led to Obama's victory, since it is easy to scare young women into voting to "save their rights to abortion and birth control." But Republicans still control most state legislatures, so all is not lost.
No, and even countries that aren't Christian such as Japan and China are suffering from the effects of abortion. Even a thinking atheist should be against abortion, though probably few are.
In this country (and supposedly Ireland, but that doubtful) if the life of the mother is in danger she can have an abortion. I can also do the reverse, why is the life of the child more important than that of the mother? Perhaps she was stopped having children she was suppose to have? (I would agree that only God would know that!) So, in those rare cases, one can't say the mother is to be killed for the sake of the child either -- "two wrongs don't make a right" -- In those --rare-- instances there isn't an automatic answer, and so depends on more than one factor.
By the way, if you read the article, apparently they weren't certain if the mother would have been saved if the abortion had occurred earlier. They're still discussing that over in Europe. In other words, abortions are not to done on a whim.
Jim Lincoln wrote: You notice I didn't say the "rightness" or "wrongness" of any of these actions.
Hospital Death in Ireland Renews Fight Over Abortion
Jim. One sin does not make another sin acceptable. The underlying premise in your post appears to be to legitimize abortion generally as an acceptable practice, because of medical problems which may occur in pregnancy.
But abortion is the murder of unborn infants. Full Stop!!
You notice I didn't say the "rightness" or "wrongness" of any of these actions. Catholic laity doesn't have that much problem with birth control, though, abortion as a method might be frowned on by the majority of them?
Barry, you might find this article interesting, Birth Control, Bishops and Religious Authority (John Y., will looove Mr. Gutting (I wonder if he's been excommunicated?)). Barry, we never can guarantee when we are doing our best to bring the Gospel to every American, they are going to accept it. Even if this is the way to do it, the ancient Jews seemed to have a continual failure in following God. Perhaps we should be happy that a the thin veneer that is getting thinner all the time in this country even exists at all considering the people who settled in this country through the centuries.
Using the same newspaper, Neil, Hospital Death in Ireland Renews Fight Over Abortion, it looks like this could have been handled differently? When something like this happens to your wife, you may have a different outlook?
The 2013 Ligonier National Conference, "No Compromise: Standing for the Truth of God's Word":
R.C. Sr. states in his promotional video that this conference addresses the moral revolution of the 1960s. He says: "We have two nations of people trying to live side-by-side with radically-opposing sets of values and belief systems. It's a conflict of worldviews [those who embrace contraception, abortifacients, abortion, sterilization and those who don't]. And it seems that every day the stakes get higher. This battle is a spiritual battle."
We read in the Old Testament where babies were being cut from the womb and think, how barbaric, only in a day when people were barbaric and human rights were unheard of. Then we name the baby a fetus and do it in a surgical atmosphere and think we 've come so far in human rights and general civilization. It is worse for today then it was yesterday. We now know our DNA is unique from the first cell, God told us from the beginning we were knit together in our mothers womb. It doesn't say we were an accident tossed together carelessly. We should be ashamed and disgusted beyond all measure to even contemplate termination of an unborn child.
Barry from KY wrote: I will say this, the legality of abortion is irrelevant, who is in office is also irrelevant. If the church, that's right you and i, had been doing it's job in the last 40 years, this would not be an issue. We would not have become marginalized in today's culture. Abortion would be a non-issue. So perhaps it's not too late. Maybe we can still make a difference. Being so argumentative isn't going to cut it! That is part of the problem.
We live in a fallen world and in a totally depraved human existence. Therefore reality demonstrates that sin and Satan is deeply ingrained into the existence of humanity. Abortion the murder of unborn infants is sin therefore part of this worldly reality. Trial and tribulation would not exist if this was a truly Christian world - BUT it is not.
The 'Remnant' would not be a predestined separate reality if there was no 'other' group. The evil to be found and experienced in the iniquity and sin of this fallen world has purpose in the whole being from beginning to end of creation.
The 'church' therefore will be different from the worlds choices decisions and ways, hence the 'difference' is to be observed, expected and experienced.
I count Jim Lincoln as one of the many people whom I respect their opinion on SA. Included in that number would be John UK, jpw, Mike New York, and Mark UAE, I always enjoy their post. I will not touch the abortion debate on SA because my words and thoughts have been twisted before. I will say this, the legality of abortion is irrelevant, who is in office is also irrelevant. If the church, that's right you and i, had been doing it's job in the last 40 years, this would not be an issue. We would not have become marginalized in today's culture. Abortion would be a non-issue. So perhaps it's not too late. Maybe we can still make a difference. Being so argumentative isn't going to cut it! That is part of the problem.
Bro. James wrote: Jim it still does not make it right. We must remember that we are just dumb sheep who have absolutely NO RIGHT TO PLAY GOD!!!!!! (psalm 100)
Yes, according to Jim's logic, if we provided criminals with sufficient funds, then they wouldn't have to commit robberies resulting in subsequent murders. Just think how much that would reduce the rate of homicides. But Jim doesn't see this correlation since abortion is legal; he really doesn't.
Brohe wrote: Still trying to demonstrate you are an avid follower of Obama and the Democrats, Jim?
I would rather say more specifically that Jim is showing his belief in the fallacy that Correlation Implies Causation, & that compelling an innocent person to die so that someone else might live is morally acceptable. Moreover, no one this side of Heaven can ever prove the claim that such an abortion actually saves the woman's life; for one thing, it certainly isn't a repeatable experiment (demanded by the Scientific Method, however flawed). It is pure speculation, if not wishful thinking.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Ah for the sake of arguement, in other words to create one, I will point out, abortion rate falls 5%, biggest drop in a decade and, Doctors say abortions do sometimes save women's lives
Still trying to demonstrate you are an avid follower of Obama and the Democrats, Jim?
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