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FRONT PAGE  |  1/19/2017
MONDAY, NOV 19, 2012  |  28 comments
Call to Strip Citizenship of Those Who Sign Secession Petitions

Every day, thousands of citizens of all 50 states add their names to the petitions posted on the White House’s “We, the People” website calling for secession from the union.

The “We, the People” program includes a “create a petition” tab on the White House website. The explanation of the site claims that "if a petition gets enough support" — more than 25,000 signatures within 30 days — the "White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response."

Not everyone thinks these people are simply exercising their right of expression, however. There are many — even some conservatives — who consider the act of calling for secession an act of treason.

"We here at RedState are American citizens. We have no plans to secede from the union,” wrote RedState founder Erick Erickson. “If you do, good luck with that, but this is not the place for ...


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News Item11/22/12 7:52 PM
Patriot  Find all comments by Patriot
Mike wrote:
"A republic of kings is impossible."
Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1813
“Why put me to the test? Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.”
Jesus to some of the Pharisees and some of the Herodians.
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News Item11/21/12 6:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
A President is the King, but only a temporary one.
"A republic of kings is impossible."
Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1813
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News Item11/21/12 2:34 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I think I mentioned that Ronny Paul is kooky.
Many times over, so why mention it again? It's pretty kooky to obsess, as you do, over a candidate who lost the primary, & moreover, will no longer serve in Congress. And this from someone who touts the theory that our government is Masonic.

But OTOH, since you likewise bring up Dubya, Repubs, & the KJV gratuitiously & incessantly, this gives me reason to think you simply like playing the gadfly here, baiting people over what you think are sacred cows so you can enjoy all the fuss.

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News Item11/21/12 2:31 PM
Patriot  Find all comments by Patriot
Jim Lincoln wrote:
A President is the King, but only a temporary one.
and therefore is above criticism when in office no matter how badly he messes up - in your view. No wonder you are confused.
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News Item11/21/12 2:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
A President is the King, but only a temporary one.

David Boaz wrote:
Give the last word to Washington’s great adversary, King George III. The king asked his American painter, Benjamin West, what Washington would do after winning independence. West replied, “They say he will return to his farm.”

“If he does that,” the incredulous monarch said, “he will be the greatest man in the world.”

excerpt from, The Man Who Would Not Be King

By the way, I think I mentioned that Ronny Paul is kooky. A lot of his supporters are even worse, Ron Paul supporters and anti-Semitism.

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News Item11/21/12 2:11 PM
Patriot  Find all comments by Patriot
San Jose John wrote:
Exactly!
When Rush Limbaugh said "I hope he (Obama) fails", he wasn't talking about America the country and its people, he was talking about OBAMA and his administration. Even so, many chose to misrepresent his statement as an "attack" on "America".
Isn't it sad that so many Americans are now so much like sheep and so dependent on "government" that any criticism on said "government" is perceived to be an attack on them personally?
Exactly. That is why you need a King who is above party politics and embodies the nation!

To attack a King IS an attack on a nation as a whole.
He even employs His Majesty's Loyal Opposition, an entire government in waiting, waiting for the government of the day to mess up, lose the confidence of the House, and be replaced forthwith.

It is a good system.

It is your system that creates the confusion between political leadership and representation of the country. This is despite your obsession with the separation of powers AWAY from the people's democratically accountable representatives!

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News Item11/21/12 11:43 AM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Mike wrote:
One of the problems with the confusion and lack of understanding among Americans is, we often confuse the country with its hired employees, otherwise known as the federal government.
Exactly!

When Rush Limbaugh said "I hope he (Obama) fails", he wasn't talking about America the country and its people, he was talking about OBAMA and his administration. Even so, many chose to misrepresent his statement as an "attack" on "America".

Isn't it sad that so many Americans are now so much like sheep and so dependent on "government" that any criticism on said "government" is perceived to be an attack on them personally?

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News Item11/21/12 1:05 AM
Patriot  Find all comments by Patriot
John UK wrote:
It won't be long before the United Kingdom is fragmented once again, but it will make no difference.
You are worried that a united kingdom of two kingdoms, one principality (which is part of one of the kingdoms) and six-eighths of a province will BECOME fragmented? Begs the question as to what you see as unity?
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News Item11/20/12 5:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
ukbedmadedefinite wrote:

Stars and stripes?
Eh up, too many stars on that one.
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News Item11/20/12 5:35 PM
ukbedmadedefinite  Find all comments by ukbedmadedefinite
Mike wrote:
Define the bed that I made.

Stars and stripes?

here's one made earlier

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News Item11/20/12 5:23 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Patriot wrote:
Sounds like you need a King to embody the nation.
You made your bed, lie in it.
Define the bed that I made.
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News Item11/20/12 5:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Interesting question, John. Here's a thought-what if a majority, or even a number of the States wished to secede? Since the US is a "them," not an "it," we might make a case that those who took up arms to prevent secession would be the traitors, for levying war against the States. (btw, Washington DC is not part of any State)
One of the problems with the confusion and lack of understanding among Americans is, we often confuse the country with its hired employees, otherwise known as the federal government.
It is an interesting scenario Mike. And I'm glad the Americans are not so lethargic and indifferent as we are in the UK. We just grumble and grouse and accept it all, even though we know it is Satan's work within guv.

It won't be long before the United Kingdom is fragmented once again, but it will make no difference.

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News Item11/20/12 4:55 PM
Patriot  Find all comments by Patriot
Mike wrote:
One of the problems with the confusion and lack of understanding among Americans is, we often confuse the country with its hired employees, otherwise known as the federal government.
Sounds like you need a King to embody the nation.

You made your bed, lie in it.

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News Item11/20/12 4:33 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Thanks for all the info, Mike.
So if I've got it right, to "call for secession" is no act of treason? But to "call for secession with arms" would be?
Interesting question, John. Here's a thought-what if a majority, or even a number of the States wished to secede? Since the US is a "them," not an "it," we might make a case that those who took up arms to prevent secession would be the traitors, for levying war against the States. (btw, Washington DC is not part of any State)

One of the problems with the confusion and lack of understanding among Americans is, we often confuse the country with its hired employees, otherwise known as the federal government.

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News Item11/20/12 2:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John UK wrote:
Thanks for all the info, Mike.
So if I've got it right, to "call for secession" is no act of treason? But to "call for secession with arms" would be?
Sounds like you have it correct, John U.K., by the way I don't think much of the "peaceful" devolution that T. Blaire started.
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News Item11/20/12 12:16 PM
Patriot  Find all comments by Patriot
San Jose John wrote:
My thoughts as well. I don't remember hearing that we ever "asked" England (sic) if we could secede from them. I was always taught that we simply "declared our independence" and began the process (which included the War of Independence) of leaving their empire.
and that sounds like simple treason.
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News Item11/20/12 11:58 AM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
The poster formerly known as Russ wrote:
While I didn't sign the petitions because if we were going to secede why would we ask for permission?
My thoughts as well. I don't remember hearing that we ever "asked" England if we could secede from them. I was always taught that we simply "declared our independence" and began the process (which included the War of Independence) of leaving their empire.

These petitions are just theater designed to show the feds how many of us in the states feel about the increasing centralization of American political power.

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News Item11/20/12 5:55 AM
The poster formerly known as Russ | Texas  Find all comments by The poster formerly known as Russ
While I didn't sign the petitions because if we were going to secede why would we ask for permission?, I would support secession. If that means I lose citizenship, then I get free healthcare, food stamps, college education for my kids, and I don't have to pay any taxes. I can become a highly sought after voting bloc by the democrats.
On top of that my citizenship is in the heavenly country and they can't strip that anyway.
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News Item11/20/12 4:23 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
From the news item:
"Not everyone thinks these people are simply exercising their right of expression, however. There are many — even some conservatives — who consider the act of calling for secession an act of treason."
What a crock.
Treason in the US is what the Constitution says it is, and nothing else. Here it is for those who like to toss the word around:
Article 3, section 3, US Constitution:
"Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."
Some things to notice-
1) Constitutionally, the United States is a "them," not an it.
2) Treason is an overt act of warfare or an overt act of adhering to the enemies of the United States, i.e. "their enemies" as quoted above.
Signing the petition as described doesn't remotely fit the description of treason.
Thanks for all the info, Mike.

So if I've got it right, to "call for secession" is no act of treason? But to "call for secession with arms" would be?

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News Item11/19/12 11:47 PM
Walter Bordia  Find all comments by Walter Bordia
Mike wrote:
"or on confession in open court."
Confessions can be arranged.
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