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Christian Convert from Islam Beheaded in Somalia

Islamic extremists from Somalia’s rebel Al-Shabaab militants on Friday (Nov. 16) killed a Christian in Somalia’s coastal city of Barawa, accusing him of being a spy and leaving Islam, Christian and Muslim witnesses said.

The extremists beheaded 25-year-old Farhan Haji Mose after monitoring his movements for six months, Christian sources said. Mose drew suspicion when he returned to Barawa, in Somalia’s Lower Shebelle Region, in December 2011 after spending time in Kenya, underground Christians in Somalia told Morning Star News. ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Now that you mention it, John, if I listen real hard between the sound of all the crickets, I hear it too.
Och aye, he'll stay away till he thinks we've forgotten what he said.

But I hate to think of him with head in hands, weeping profusely with embarrassment, coz he can't ever seem to interpret scripture aright.

I wonder if we'll ever drag him away from his idol.

Better still, I wonder if we'll ever convince him that a plain, ordinary believer can arrive at truth by the help and illumination of the Spirit, as our friend Dopey has put forward.

In the Bible, names often described the owner, but in Dopey's case I rather think he follows not the biblical pattern.

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News Item12/1/12 12:05 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
The pope versus the cardinal? Methinks I hear Presby say, "No contest!"
Now that you mention it, John, if I listen real hard between the sound of all the crickets, I hear it too.

Good verses, Dopey.

Thanks.

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News Item12/1/12 4:29 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Whose?
"There is a life reserved too for the poor body at last: He shall also quicken your mortal bodies, v. 11. The Lord is for the body; and though at death it is cast aside as a despised broken vessel, a vessel in which is no pleasure, yet God will have a desire to the work of his hands (Job 14:15), will remember his covenant with the dust, and will not lose a grain of it; but the body shall be reunited to the soul, and clothed with a glory agreeable to it. Vile bodies shall be newly fashioned, Phil. 3:21; 1 Co. 15:42. Two great assurances of the resurrection of the body are mentioned:—(1.) The resurrection of Christ: He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken. Christ rose as the head, and first-fruits, and forerunner of all the saints, 1 Co. 15:20. The body of Christ lay in the grave, under the sin of all the elect imputed, and broke through it. O grave, then, where is thy victory? It is in the virtue of Christ’s resurrection that we shall rise." M H
Matthew Henry, one of your own, btw, didn't agree with Calvin either. Now what? Flip a coin?
The pope versus the cardinal? Methinks I hear Presby say, "No contest!"
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News Item11/30/12 10:51 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
FtB wrote:
Historic Reformed ie Calvinist doctrine remains the best and most accurate Biblical interpretation of Scripture. Praise be to God.
There are numerous portions of Scripture, two of which I will quote, that testify to varying degrees that God reserved to to Himself teaching the redeemed what is the "best and most accurate" interpretation of Scripture.

Really? I give what you stated thumbs down.(Except the "Praise be to God" part):

Job 36:22 Behold, God exalteth by his power: who teacheth like him?

1 John 2:26-27

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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News Item11/30/12 9:03 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
FtB wrote:
With reference to Romans 8:11
John Calvin writes.... [snip]
Historic Reformed ie Calvinist doctrine remains the best and most accurate Biblical interpretation of Scripture.
Whose?

"There is a life reserved too for the poor body at last: He shall also quicken your mortal bodies, v. 11. The Lord is for the body; and though at death it is cast aside as a despised broken vessel, a vessel in which is no pleasure, yet God will have a desire to the work of his hands (Job 14:15), will remember his covenant with the dust, and will not lose a grain of it; but the body shall be reunited to the soul, and clothed with a glory agreeable to it. Vile bodies shall be newly fashioned, Phil. 3:21; 1 Co. 15:42. Two great assurances of the resurrection of the body are mentioned:—(1.) The resurrection of Christ: He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken. Christ rose as the head, and first-fruits, and forerunner of all the saints, 1 Co. 15:20. The body of Christ lay in the grave, under the sin of all the elect imputed, and broke through it. O grave, then, where is thy victory? It is in the virtue of Christ’s resurrection that we shall rise." M H

Matthew Henry, one of your own, btw, didn't agree with Calvin either. Now what? Flip a coin?

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News Item11/30/12 8:56 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
FtB wrote:
With reference to Romans 8:11

"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

John Calvin writes....

So you're telling us, then, that the framers of the WCF and Calvin didn't agree on the meaning of Romans 8:11. (WCF 13/1-2, which you quoted in defense of your proposition, sanctification of the body (?), makes no reference to Rom 8:11.)

OK.

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News Item11/29/12 6:13 PM
Doris | Day  Find all comments by Doris
Mike wrote:
You need reform your fuzzifying of Scripture. The quickening spoken of is a comparison with the raising up of Christ's body from death, see "shall ALSO quicken," not with ye mortification.
We have reformed meat, and now we have reformed theology. Is there any similarity? Is this theology taken off the bone and reformed to make sense only to the "elect"?
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News Item11/29/12 5:14 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
FtB wrote:
With reference to Romans 8:11
"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
John Calvin writes....
"By mortal bodies he understands all those things which still remain in us, that are subject to death; for his usual practice is to give this name to the grosser part of us. We hence conclude, that he speaks not of the last resurrection, which shall be in a moment, but of the continued working of the Spirit, by which he gradually mortifies the relics of the flesh and renews in us a celestial life."
---
The other folks commenting have long since declared they are not Biblical Reformed!!
And as C.H.Spurgeon stated Calvinism IS the Gospel.
Incidentally to see Romans 8:11 as future in reference to "glorious body" in heaven is erroneous exegesis.
Historic Reformed ie Calvinist doctrine remains the best and most accurate Biblical interpretation of Scripture. Praise be to God.
You need reform your fuzzifying of Scripture. The quickening spoken of is a comparison with the raising up of Christ's body from death, see "shall ALSO quicken," not with ye mortification.
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News Item11/29/12 4:02 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
FtB wrote:
With reference to Romans 8:11
"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
John Calvin writes....
"By mortal bodies he understands all those things which still remain in us, that are subject to death; for his usual practice is to give this name to the grosser part of us. We hence conclude, that he speaks not of the last resurrection, which shall be in a moment, but of the continued working of the Spirit, by which he gradually mortifies the relics of the flesh and renews in us a celestial life."
Now then Presby, I am not at all sure you are understanding Mr Calvin aright.

For example:

What do you think he means by "mortal bodies" and "the relics of the flesh"?

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News Item11/29/12 3:08 PM
FtB  Find all comments by FtB
John UK wrote:
If you are referring to the quickening of regeneration, then it is spiritual not physical
With reference to Romans 8:11
"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

John Calvin writes....
"By mortal bodies he understands all those things which still remain in us, that are subject to death; for his usual practice is to give this name to the grosser part of us. We hence conclude, that he speaks not of the last resurrection, which shall be in a moment, but of the continued working of the Spirit, by which he gradually mortifies the relics of the flesh and renews in us a celestial life."

Now c'mon John declare your 'TRUE' allegiance to Hyper-Wesleyan theory once and for all.

The other folks commenting have long since declared they are not Biblical Reformed!!
And as C.H.Spurgeon stated Calvinism IS the Gospel.

Incidentally to see Romans 8:11 as future in reference to "glorious body" in heaven is erroneous exegesis.

Historic Reformed ie Calvinist doctrine remains the best and most accurate Biblical interpretation of Scripture. Praise be to God.

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News Item11/29/12 2:22 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
FtB wrote:
Doris, Lurker and Dopey are incorrect.

This verse [Phil 3:20-21] has nothing to do with the "quickening" process which is related to Regeneration whilst on earth.

Of course it doesn't, silly. That's your proposition, not mine. What the text does teach is that Paul called the mortal body of born again saints "vile" which stands in opposition to your claim that the body, the old carnal man, is quickened at regeneration.

And what is this quickening "process" you speak of? Regeneration is a once for all time work of God as He promised.....

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Heart and soul. No mention of the body.

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News Item11/28/12 9:48 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
From the Book wrote:
From historic Reformed Christian Biblical Doctrine...
WCF 13/1.
Don't you think it a strange thing that the WCF didn't cite Romans 8:11 ~IF~ the framers thereof were speaking to what you think they were speaking to?

But I suspect they knew that the quickening of dead, mortal, corruptible bodies was a future event.

Of course, there is the immediate context of Romans 8:11 which sheds greater light.....

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Q. Why is the body dead?

Rom 6:3-7 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

A. That the body of sin might be destroyed. And this happens at regeneration aka the new birth.

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News Item11/28/12 5:38 PM
Doris | Day  Find all comments by Doris
From the Book wrote:
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken ***YOUR MORTAL BODIES*** by his Spirit that dwelleth in you
"shall also" -- future event- referring to the resurrection!!

From the Book wrote:
From historic Reformed Christian Biblical Doctrine...
WCF 13/1. ...b the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed.......
2. This sanctification is throughout in the whole man,....
Sanctification is a moral resurrection. The use of the term "body" in the WCF is not referring to the physical body!

You need to study some more before writing another word on a subject on which you know nothing.

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News Item11/28/12 3:12 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
FtB wrote:
Doris, Lurker and Dopey are incorrect.
FtB, What precisely is it that I am "incorrect" in regard to?

Did I say that I agree with all that Doris said?
Did I say that I agree with anything Doris said?
Did I say that I agree with anything Lurker said that wasn't a direct quote from Scripture?

You presume a lot my friend.

Esther 7:5-6 KJV
Then the king Ahasuerus answered and said unto Esther the queen, Who is he, and where is he, that durst presume in his heart to do so? And Esther said, The adversary and enemy is this wicked Haman. Then Haman was afraid before the king and the queen.

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News Item11/28/12 2:37 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
FtB wrote:
Doris, Lurker and Dopey are incorrect.
This verse has nothing to do with the "quickening" process which is related to Regeneration whilst on earth.
Phil 3:20-21 refers to a quote "glorious body" which is obtained when we go to heaven and eternal life we receive a glorious body like Christ's. - NOT the "quickening" process which is to go from "dead in sin" to "Life in Christ" whilst down here on earth.
We don't get "quickened" in heaven since (a) we are not dead in sin there and (b) we receive the Christ-like glorious body for eternal life.
If you are referring to the quickening of regeneration, then it is spiritual not physical.

John 3:5-6 KJV
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Ephesians 2:4-6 KJV
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

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News Item11/28/12 2:24 PM
FtB  Find all comments by FtB
Lurker wrote:
Phl 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Doris, Lurker and Dopey are incorrect.

This verse has nothing to do with the "quickening" process which is related to Regeneration whilst on earth.

Phil 3:20-21 refers to a quote "glorious body" which is obtained when we go to heaven and eternal life we receive a glorious body like Christ's. - NOT the "quickening" process which is to go from "dead in sin" to "Life in Christ" whilst down here on earth.

We don't get "quickened" in heaven since (a) we are not dead in sin there and (b) we receive the Christ-like glorious body for eternal life.

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News Item11/28/12 12:20 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Lurker wrote:
Doris is right.
Jesus was raised incorruptable and immortal. No Christian will attain that till the last day, at the resurrection of the purchased possession....
Phl 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1Cr 15:52-54 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Well written Lurker
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News Item11/28/12 12:00 PM
From the Book  Find all comments by From the Book
Doris wrote:
Baloney!!
From historic Reformed Christian Biblical Doctrine...

WCF 13/1. They who are effectually called and regenerated, having a new heart and a new spirit created in them, are further sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ’s death and resurrection,a by his Word and Spirit dwelling in them;b the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed,c and the several lusts thereof are more and more weakened and mortified,d and they more and more quickened and strengthened, in all saving graces,e to the practice of true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.f

a. Acts 20:32; Rom 6:5-6; 1 Cor 6:11; Phil 3:10. • b. John 17:17; Eph 5:26; 2 Thes 2:13. • c. Rom 6:6, 14. • d. Rom 8:13; Gal 5:24. • e. Eph 3:16-19; Col 1:11. • f. 2 Cor 7:1; Heb 12:14.

2. This sanctification is throughout in the whole man,a yet imperfect in this life; there abideth still some remnants of corruption in every part,b whence ariseth a continual and irreconcilable war, the flesh lusting against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh.c

a. 1 Thes 5:23. • b. Rom 7:18, 23; Phil 3:12; 1 John 1:10. • c. Gal 5:17; 1 Pet 2:11.

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News Item11/28/12 10:14 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
From the Book wrote:
Well since GOD, through Paul agrees with me, I guess I will just have to assume you are not a Biblical Christian.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken ***YOUR MORTAL BODIES*** by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Doris is right.

Jesus was raised incorruptable and immortal. No Christian will attain that till the last day, at the resurrection of the purchased possession....

Phl 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1Cr 15:52-54 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

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News Item11/28/12 9:38 AM
From the Book  Find all comments by From the Book
Doris wrote:
Baloney!!
You are talking utter trash.
Well since GOD, through Paul agrees with me, I guess I will just have to assume you are not a Biblical Christian.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken ***YOUR MORTAL BODIES*** by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

"An unsanctified man cannot work the work of God—
[1] He has no SKILL in it. He is altogether as unskillful in the work, as in the word of righteousness. There are great mysteries in the practice, as well as in the principles of godliness. Now the unregenerate do not know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. You may as well expect him to read—who never learned the alphabet; or look for goodly music on the lute—from one that never set his hand to an instrument; as that a natural man should do the Lord any pleasing service. He must first be taught of God (John 6:45), taught to pray (Luke 11:1), taught to profit (Isa 48:17), taught to go (Hos 11:3), or else he will be utterly at a loss." (J.Alleine)

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