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FRONT PAGE  |  5/28/2016
MONDAY, NOV 12, 2012  |  8 comments
Irish Vote to Give State Nearly Unbridled Power to Seize Children

The Irish approved an amendment to their national constitution on Saturday that will bring it into compliance with mandates of the United Nations that govern the state’s seizure of children. The margin was 57 percent to 43 percent.

The Alliance of Parents against the State campaigned against passage of the referendum on the measure, which APS says will diminish the rights of parents and give the Irish government nearly unbridled power to seize children. Even worse, APS charges, Irish law will come under the control of the United Nations. The APS and other opponents will likely challenge the result.

The amendment’s key words that pertain to the power the state are “best interests” — meaning the “best interests” of the child. Supposedly the state must always keep the “best interests” of a child uppermost in its decision to seize him. Problem is, APS says, the state determines what those “best ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, and I suppose these children who are seized will be placed in Romish institutions? Irish judge warns abuse inquiry will take time.

Like many Catholic controlled they worry about the child before he's born and then might as well toss him into the Romish ash heap afterwards.

It seems that the Irish also have a problem worry about a case of a mother's life even though the child couldn't be saved, Scandal in Ireland as woman dies in Galway 'after being denied abortion'.

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News Item11/12/12 8:28 PM
lasso  Find all comments by lasso
How many fathers have either checked out or not to be found? Their children are spawn. The church is shot through. What's left to corral them?
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News Item11/12/12 8:14 PM
Shin Vane | The fence  Find all comments by Shin Vane
Mike wrote:
The Irish have gone to war over less.
What? The reprobate nation that would not even fight National Socialism. Not likely.
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News Item11/12/12 7:00 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"The Irish approved an amendment to their national constitution on Saturday that will bring it into compliance with mandates of the United Nations that govern the state’s seizure of children. The margin was 57 percent to 43 percent."

What parent of conscience and love for the child would obey this? There is no moral authority obligating parents to cede control of their children to the state. That some ignorant souls have done so hardly implies all should do so. The Irish have gone to war over less.

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News Item11/12/12 5:48 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Sounds to me like even the original constitutional language is problematic. What is "common good?" What are "natural rights?" If I walk outside & study nature, will I find any such thing? I bet such questions would never occur to Irish Catholics for centuries accustomed to sucb slippery Thomistic language from their priests.

Thus, so far as I'm concerned, Irish parents were already on thin ice. No surprise to me either that the bishops sided with the revision.

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News Item11/12/12 12:39 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
this is a global movement.

Am church leaders themselves are globalists.

we will continue to point fingers other directions, judgment is on us, evidenced by the scales on our eyes.

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News Item11/12/12 8:46 AM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
This is not surprising. Why is this presented as shocking? The church, especially in Europe and the US, has whored herself out. We are in the spiritual wilderness. We have not heeded the warning of our modern prophets (Francis Schaeffer comes to mind) and have followed the world. Repent and cleanse thyself. God be merciful and gracious, grant us repentance and wisdom.
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News Item11/12/12 4:26 AM
power to the children  Find all comments by power to the children
Among the powers the state would have, APS noted in its list of 10 reasons to vote against the UNCRC-backed referendum, are these:

• Your child can be placed for adoption against your will.

• “The State can decide ... to vaccinate every child in Ireland, and the parent, and even the child have [sic] no say in the matter.”

• “The State can decide to give give Birth Control to children of any age, even if they are below the Age of Consent.”

• “The State can bring [sic] children to other countries for abortions without parental consent and even if the child disagrees.”

• “The UN and the EU can make any laws for children without consent of the Irish Government if it wishes [sic].”

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