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WEDNESDAY, OCT 31, 2012| 94 comments
Beware the 'lesser-of-two-evils' trap

Wow. It’s one week before Election Day, the re-election of Obama is unthinkable, and the election is extremely close – every vote counts.

Against this backdrop, I am still seeing lots of articles and blog postings from self-described conservatives, Christians, constitutionalists, independents and patriots fervently proclaiming they will not vote for either Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, because they refuse to choose “the lesser of two evils.”

“The lesser of two evils is still evil,” they intone, as though those magical words encapsulate some transcendent logic.

Ironically, most of these people revere America’s Founding Fathers, quote them and refer to them often – indeed they see themselves as following in the founders’ footsteps, or at least adhering to their principles. ...


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steam valve dilemma  Find all comments by steam valve dilemma
A menagerie of brilliant-hued leaves danced a jig that brisk first Tuesday morning of November as the newly-minted Southern Baptists carefully re-read their Bibles and crowded the polls en mass to vote their conscience: Decidedly for African-American slavery and against Lincoln. Then, the SBC awakened 135 years later, read their Bibles and passed a resolution denouncing slavery and supporting 'racial reconciliation.'

Before many Southern Baptists vote today, they will once again read their Bibles, and once again vote their conscience: Decidedly against the non-Trinitarian Romney and for tiny third party Christian candidates who would naturally lose, inadvertently unleashing unprecedented sexual- and marital-anarchy.

As history is known to repeat itself, perhaps the SBC's great-grandchildren -- if religious liberty even still exists -- will pass a resolution in 2147 extolling the virtues of those great Presidents, Lincoln and Romney, who, despite the SBC, saved civilization.

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News Item11/5/12 11:33 PM
Lady_Virtue | OKC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lady_Virtue
The choice for me has been clear for a long time: neither. I knew back in 2008 I could not vote for Obama because of his voting record and the policies he supports, despite his claims to be Christian. I cannot vote for him this year, either.

As for Romney, he is a part of a cult and is not a believer. Mormonism is not Christian.

I don't want either one of them in office, so I'm not going to vote for either one of them. I'm sure some of you may disagree with my choice not to vote, but we are simply going to have to agree to disagree. I will not be revisiting this particular thread. Enough said.

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News Item11/5/12 11:00 PM
tipping point  Find all comments by tipping point
Scott Brown:
"Now, the majority of Christian pastors across America are endorsing a devout Mormon for the highest office in the land. National leaders have even changed their official position on Mormonism to endorse a presidential candidate who they formerly condemned as a cult member. With this mega-shift, we have begun an unprecedented endorsement of the legitimacy of Mormonism, while the unified front of the church standing against this false religion, has crumbled before our eyes."
Voting for a Mormon – A 21st Century Mega-Shift
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News Item11/5/12 7:51 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
jpw wrote:
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hey while Cl was involved in the mon lew thing, gingrch was involved in marital affair.
bshs daddy announced the new world order in the early 90's.
I'm plum tired of hearing these guys are conservatives.
We've been drawn into the corrupted affairs of man and this generation of Christians have been used.....
Confusion of neocons with conservatives is common.
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News Item11/5/12 7:42 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
the computer systems will decide the election.

people have already reported in two states, pushing the rom button and ob coming up.

but rnc picked their candidate by preventing a vote with the other one, so I guess it all balances out in the end.

the choice has already been made.

sacramento pollster was fired for asking her superior in an email how foreigners (ie UN) could be allowed to moniter their elections. the watchmen are not allowed to be watchmen.

the time to understand and do something was before today -- and there have been many that did-- they were called liberals, pot smokers and every other name in the book.

bottom line is that we chosen the security of having someone put their hands on our most private parts in the airport over traditional am freedoms.

a new system has been created with our blessing and here it is.

bsh racketed up the debt, brought us into wores with still no explanation - a million dead, Christian diaspora, hey while Cl was involved in the mon lew thing, gingrch was involved in marital affair.

bshs daddy announced the new world order in the early 90's.

I'm plum tired of hearing these guys are conservatives.

We've been drawn into the corrupted affairs of man and this generation of Christians have been used.....

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News Item11/5/12 5:23 PM
rgn  Find all comments by rgn
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
As proven in previous two elections (both Bill Clinton) anytime you have a viable third party candidate you successfully put a democratic into the presidency. In neither election did Bill Clinton have above 50% of the vote, but in both cases he won. So, if you principled statement you wish to make is a vote to put Jim from Lincoln's favorite candidate of choice back into office, then vote third party because that is what your vote means. If you are not sure of his candidate of choice, click the magnifying glass next to his name, you can probably figure it out.
Or it could prove that they were just lousy candidates.

This election reminds me of the new healthcare bill. You must select one of the two options: Either join ObamaCare or pay the fine. Great options right? No, that is why some great companies, organizations and even States are refusing to select one of the options given. They are saying "NO."
It feels the same with these two candidates. I believe that there is a third option that does not violate my conscience. Wait and pray for our nation and for a godly leaders that I can support.

God holds the entire universe in his hands. Everything!!! I can rest in that. To God be the glory!

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News Item11/5/12 4:50 PM
GWB  Find all comments by GWB
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
In neither election did Bill Clinton have above 50% of the vote, but in both cases he won.
Trust me, 50% of the vote is overrated.
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News Item11/5/12 4:16 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
As proven in previous two elections (both Bill Clinton) anytime you have a viable third party candidate you successfully put a democratic into the presidency. In neither election did Bill Clinton have above 50% of the vote, but in both cases he won. So, if you principled statement you wish to make is a vote to put Jim from Lincoln's favorite candidate of choice back into office, then vote third party because that is what your vote means. If you are not sure of his candidate of choice, click the magnifying glass next to his name, you can probably figure it out.
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News Item11/5/12 3:49 PM
Republic  Find all comments by Republic
Jim Lincoln wrote:
jpw, no doubt many sincere Christians prayed that Ron Paul wouldn't be around for this election and their prayers were answered But the pot smokers were downcast as were the anti-Semitics. Ron Paul: Anti-Semite: Case Closed.
So, God was gracious to us in this case, God will give this country the President that it deserves.
God please have mercy on us, in other ways!
Jim, I respectfully challenge you
You quote well what the media and establishments of both parties wanted you to believe. I believed with you only 1 1/2 yrs ago. However, when I started having conversations with other men in our church and community I was shown my error. Why are God fearing men supporting this "gooney-bin?" They challenged me to dig deeper and what I discovered to be true was refreshing. Ron Paul believes in freedom!
By the way, he is not an anti-Semite. He believes that we should let Israel govern itself (a crazy notion) instead of trying to boss it around. He believed that we should stop giving Billions of $ that we don't have to Israel's enemies.(another crazy notion) He believes that Government should obey the constitution. (yet another crazy notion)
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News Item11/5/12 2:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
jpw, no doubt many sincere Christians prayed that Ron Paul wouldn't be around for this election and their prayers were answered But the pot smokers were downcast as were the anti-Semitics. Ron Paul: Anti-Semite: Case Closed.

So, God was gracious to us in this case, God will give this country the President that it deserves.

God please have mercy on us, in other ways!

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News Item11/5/12 1:55 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Yes, if Ron Paul were only on the ticket this time around. Since he's not though, I gather only a small handful of posters here will be casting a ballot? I'm still undecided.
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News Item11/5/12 12:46 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Republic -- yes, 6 delegations was sufficient to put him on the ballot at the RNC. He had the votes.

RNC just changed their election process and threw the ballots in the trash and the Maine delegation out the door.

He had a large potential to win. Many delegates were ready to switch, even those who had gone to sant, etc, who was no longer in the race. Many had been in grassroots level and had seen some of the things you mention, and according to the rnc rules, were allowed to vote their conscience. rnc prevented the conventions rules from being carried out properly to secure the nomination for the one who brought forced healthcare with abortions and same sex marriage to his state.

The delegates called a press conference after the convention and a prayer was opened in Jesus name and leadership of veterans.

Your statement is correct. This election has not come honestly, nor will it end that way.

Many are praying for this nation today.

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News Item11/5/12 12:25 PM
Republic  Find all comments by Republic
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks John, I just do not understand how, unless both candidates shared the same lack of values and morals, how I could justify sitting back and complaining about policies, after the fact, if I decided to take a back seat this voting season.
Hey Christopher000,
The problem is that Both are filthy liars. One is just filthy lying in your direction. Romney has not had a true conversion or he would denounce his Mormonism. He does not fear God.
Many were very active in the primaries working hard to promote Men of Character. We made much more progress than anyone could have imagined. However, when push came to shove, in many, states the establishment, frustrated by the grassroots' success, railroaded(against their own rules) their candidates. Unfortunately, none of this made it to main stream media. Especially not the talking heads/water carriers. In spite of the blatant fraud at the state level, Ron Paul achieved the plurality of delegates from more than enough states to be put into nomination. However, the establishment, with a bogus vote, changed the rules to make impede the nominating process.

They both candidates are born out of deception.

I will vote for a Man of Character, not the best ear-tickler.

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News Item11/5/12 9:15 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
immutable statement wrote:
A statement of faith is equal to a creed?
creed (definition - the free dictionary) =

"A formal statement of religious belief; a confession of faith."
[Middle English crede, from Old English creda, from Latin credo, I believe.]

So yes, a statement of faith is equal to a creed.

Man, this is slow progress.

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News Item11/5/12 9:09 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks John, I just do not understand how, unless both candidates shared the same lack of values and morals, how I could justify sitting back and complaining about policies, after the fact, if I decided to take a back seat this voting season.
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News Item11/5/12 9:02 AM
immutable statement  Find all comments by immutable statement
John UK wrote:
I don't get it. The IHCC is not creedless, in fact it has quite a good creedal statement of faith if you disregard the eschatology.
A statement of faith is equal to a creed?
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News Item11/5/12 8:01 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Rufus wrote:
According to Romney's words, this is true. I'm uncertain as to why folks today are so prone to believe what politicians say. Particularly those politicians who have so much blood on their hands.
Well wouldn't it be better to take a chance on Romney? After all we know that Obama is Pro Abortion, Pro Homosexuality and a Socialist and will appoint Pro Abortion Judges to the Supreme Court if he is re elected. But Romney has stated and signed the Republican Pro Life pledge that he is Pro Life and will if elected appoint Pro Life Judges to the Supreme Court. And thus at least under Romney there is a chance that Roe v Wade will be overturned by the Supreme Court. But if Obama is re elected then there is zero chance that Roe v Wade will be overturned.

Christopher000, You and I think logically that a Third Party presidential candidate stands zero chance of winning and thus voting for a Third Party candidate is just like making sure that Obama gets re elected.

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News Item11/5/12 7:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I always saw things very simply...black and white, but find myself becomming more and more confused after reading through the arguments in various issues. Maybe I just have much more to learn than I thought.
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News Item11/5/12 7:45 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I guess for me, even though I know they all lie as they buy their ways into office, I hold out the hope that they are speaking the truth (this time around) on key issues.

I don't know...I've read the arguments and I still do not understand why it is wrong to vote for someone who is against abortion, gay unions, etc., as opposed to someone who is pro liberalism...always telling the voting masses exactly what they want to hear while making no perceivable progress in four years. Obama has doubled the deficit with his budget plan promising even more debt.

As a Christian, shouldn't I vote for someone who at least has Christian values as opposed to a socialist with extremist views that he tries hard to hide? Look who his pastor and mentor were. I know Mormonism is a cult, but they have many of the same values so I don't understand why, if my single vote would be the tie breaker, I, as a Christian, should not vote for Romney...hoping that he means what he says. If he was voted into office, wouldn't that mean that God put him there, Mormon or not, to use him for his purpose...Christian or not?

I don't understand why I would be making a grave mistake by voting Romney, or voting at all for that matter.

I always saw things very simply...black and white, but find myself becom

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News Item11/5/12 7:15 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
John Yurich USA wrote:
...
Rufus, Romney was Pro Abortion and Pro Homosexuality when he was Governor of Massachussettes. But now he is Pro Life and against homosexuality.
According to Romney's words, this is true. I'm uncertain as to why folks today are so prone to believe what politicians say. Particularly those politicians who have so much blood on their hands.
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