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Belfast abortion clinic face Stormont questioning

MANAGEMENT from Northern Ireland’s first private abortion clinic will be summoned to Stormont to explain how they are complying with criminal law.

Democratic Unionist Party Northern Ireland assembly member Paul Givan, chairman of the justice committee, has said he would like to question Marie Stopes International, which opened its new centre amid protests in Belfast yesterday.

The invitation to address the justice committee was issued after Northern Ireland’s Attorney General – John Larkin QC – called for an investigation into the opening of the new clinic. ...


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News Item11/2/12 3:51 PM
Chicago Tribune  Find all comments by Chicago Tribune
Bishop Orders Priests to Read Anti-Obama Letter at Mass
 
Manya A. Brachear | Chicago Tribune
 
CHICAGO — Joining the chorus of Roman Catholic clergy in Illinois criticizing President Barack Obama before next week's election, Peoria Bishop Daniel Jenky ordered priests to read a letter to parishioners on Sunday before the presidential election, explaining that politicians who support abortion rights also reject Jesus.
 
"By virtue of your vow of obedience to me as your Bishop, I require that this letter be personally read by each celebrating priest at each Weekend Mass," Jenky wrote in a letter circulated to clergy in the Catholic Diocese of Peoria.
 
In the letter, Jenky cautions parishioners that Obama and a majority of U.S. senators will not reconsider the mandate that would require employers, including religious groups, to provide free birth control coverage in their health care plans. "This assault upon our religious freedom is simply without precedent in the American political and legal system," Jenky wrote.
 
"Today, Catholic politicians, bureaucrats, and their electoral supporters who callously enable the destruction of innocent human life in the womb also thereby reject Jesus as their Lord," Jenky added. "They are objectively guilty of grave sin."
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News Item11/2/12 12:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
class system info wrote:
I see God is not working fast enough for you John. Apparently your concept is that man - not God effectually calls the sinner.
Eh?

You mean that God effectually calls a sinner by some sort of mystical "voice" inside his head, without ANY reference to a preacher, or to a Bible, or to the witness of one of the saints?

Let's see how this works out, shall we?

Ah, here comes Uncle Tom walking down the street. No doubt he's off to buy some baccy and a lager, then off home to watch the footie.

Wait a minute, he's stopped, he's scratching his head, he's looking bemused, he's looking round about him. What's up Tom?

Tom looks at me blank-eyed.

"Something just spoke to me, Dick," he says.

"What do you mean, "Something spoke.."

"I don't know, really, I kind of feel that a Great Spirit has been trying to communicate something with me."

I check to see if he's drunk his lager yet.

"What did it say? I asked.

"I don't know; something about being bad and all that. Made me feel proper queer, I can tell you."

"Come on, Tom, let's go down the pub. You'll feel better in no time."

"Thanks, Dick. Phew, that was weird, man!"

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News Item11/2/12 8:33 AM
class system info | uk  Find all comments by class system info
John UK wrote:
Tell me, if it is God that "brings a sinner in", why does he bother with a preacher in the pulpit, ....
Cannot God do without the preacher? You reckon he can do without evangelism, why bother having a church? Why print Bibles? Why weep in prayer? Why not just sit back and LET GOD DO IT ALL?
I see God is not working fast enough for you John. Apparently your concept is that man - not God effectually calls the sinner.

But perhaps the real problem here is that you don't appear to understand what "evangelism" really is. Its not man calls man!!

You are obviously a Charles Finney fan and want to speed things up by human action, human decision, human contribution salvation, by sending every tom, dick and harry out to "evangelise?" since God is not efficient enough. Contrary to 1Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11.

WCF 10/2. This effectual call is of God’s free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man;a who is altogether passive therein, until, being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit,b he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it.c

a. Rom 9:11; Eph 2:4-5, 8-9; 2 Tim 1:9; Titus 3:4-5. • b. Rom 8:7; 1 Cor 2:14; Eph 2:5. • c. Ezek 36:27; John 5:25; 6:37

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News Item11/1/12 4:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
class system info wrote:
In CHS case it appears that if you preach the true Biblical message then God will bring them in.
You speak like a pheasant.

There are places where the true biblical message is preached week in, week out, for decades, and God brings not one sinner in.

Tell me what happens when God "brings a sinner in". Does this scarlet reptile of a sinner "hear a voice" telling him, "Go to church, Go to church, Go to church!"

Tell me, have you ever seen God "bring a sinner in"?

Tell me, if it is God that "brings a sinner in", why does he bother with a preacher in the pulpit, who has spent hours labouring over preparing a sermon, who has to deliver it at the due time. Cannot God do without the preacher? You reckon he can do without evangelism, why bother having a church? Why print Bibles? Why weep in prayer? Why not just sit back and LET GOD DO IT ALL?

Ahhhhhh, but you're a Fatalist, and that whatever will be will be, and you imagine that you glorify God by that belief, saying that God is so sovereign he doesn't really love folks, he doesn't care if they live or die, or suffer or not, or get saved or not. He is to you just a big ogre in the sky, impersonal, unfeeling, uncaring.

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News Item11/1/12 3:45 PM
class system info | uk  Find all comments by class system info
John UK wrote:
"Although the Calvinists do not believe a sinner will ask sensible questions concerning religion, yet some do have questions. If therefore you are one of them, and wish to know the way of salvation from sin and death and hell, this is what you must do: Go to the affluent part of town
These paragraphs you've posted are within quotes. Tell me what ignorant religious dimwit are you actually quoting from?

John UK wrote:
God wanted these folks to hear that. And he still does. Especially hypermen.....
No what God wants congregation to hear is the Word of God. As pointed out in the Packer article you posted earlier the correct Biblical method of evangelism is that used by Puritans and other good Calvinists. Preaching the 'True Gospel.' Having a bunch of semi-taught nominal Christians wandering about the streets isn't going to achieve anything. Preaching is not a gift provided to everybody. FYI Effectual Calling is worked by God, John. See WCF ch. 10.

Remember the Lord's warning.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

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News Item11/1/12 11:22 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
class system info wrote:
On the other hand one of the facts we know about CHS and his church is that tens of thousands attended his sermons.
To hear what?

"Awake! Awake!

Sinners are dying in the street by hundreds; men are sinking into the flames of eternal wrath, but they fold their arms, they pity the poor perishing sinner, but they do nothing to show that their pity is real. They go to their places of worship; they occupy their well-cushioned easy pew; they wish the minister to feed them every Sabbath; but there is never a child taught in the Sunday-school by them; there is never a tract distributed at the poor man's house; there is never a deed done which might be the means of saving souls."

As you've said, God wanted these folks to hear that. And he still does. Especially hypermen who need to escape the false doctrines they've imbibed.

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News Item11/1/12 10:52 AM
class system info | uk  Find all comments by class system info
JoeBloggs wrote:
Awake! Awake!
Sinners are dying in the street by hundreds; men are sinking into the flames of eternal wrath, but they fold their arms, they pity the poor perishing sinner, but they do nothing to show that their pity is real. They go to their places of worship; they occupy their well-cushioned easy pew; they wish the minister to feed them every Sabbath; (spurgeon.org)
Well would you credit it JB, sounds as though Spurgeon had the same problem in Victorian times as you highlight today. Perhaps that means God does ordain the middle classes only to the pews?

On the other hand one of the facts we know about CHS and his church is that tens of thousands attended his sermons. People came from far and wide. Clearly God worked in a powerful way to bring in the masses. Thus God can do this all by Himself without the modern so called "evangelistic" methodolgies and human endeavors of the Finneys and Grahams and other DIY salvationists. In CHS case it appears that if you preach the true Biblical message then God will bring them in.
If not then you get todays modern scenario at the local church ....

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News Item11/1/12 8:18 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Stephen Perks wrote:
God does not need defending and the people of this nation do indeed need to know about Christ and turn to Him in faith. But the word of God does not command all of us to go out evangelising, it requires us to give a defense of the faith to those who ask it of us.
street, a story for you:

Down in the valley lay bones, thousands of them, skeletons everywhere. On one side of the hill lived Mr Ezek, and on the other Mr Ap.

Mr Ezek was a man of God, a prophet, and he listened for the voice of God. Mr Ap was also a man of God, and he was developing a theory called "apologetics", which he hoped would help those poor skeletons in the valley.

One day, Mr Ap visited Mr Ezek and told him about his new theory, and advised him to research the same. Mr Ezek pointed down into the valley and casually mentioned that the skeletons had no ear to hear nor tongue to speak, so how on earth were they to engage with Mr Ap and ask him questions about his faith.

Mr Ap said that he hadn't thought about that.

Upon which which Mr Ezek laughed so much his armour clanged and his helmet nearly fell off.

But then he got very serious, and told Mr Ap to watch carefully, as the Lord had told him exactly what to do......

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News Item11/1/12 7:45 AM
JoeBloggs  Find all comments by JoeBloggs
CSI

My initial point was to show that Joe can be reeducated about 'Abortion' (or 'Sodomy'). A simple medical factual tract might suffice, yes it is that simple.

A bonus Christian tract might educate him that there is a God and change those state indoctrinated opinions. Even better the Lord might sovereignly choose to work in his heart!

Methinks unevangelised pagan England needs men like Carey:

'Carey was spending every weekend, several evenings a week and the entire rain period when the factories were closed, walking some 20 miles a day through pathless jungles to preach to the two hundred villages in the Company’s district.'

Methinks Spurgeon has a word for us today:

Awake! Awake!

Sinners are dying in the street by hundreds; men are sinking into the flames of eternal wrath, but they fold their arms, they pity the poor perishing sinner, but they do nothing to show that their pity is real. They go to their places of worship; they occupy their well-cushioned easy pew; they wish the minister to feed them every Sabbath; but there is never a child taught in the Sunday-school by them; there is never a tract distributed at the poor man's house; there is never a deed done which might be the means of saving souls.

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0163.htm

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News Item11/1/12 6:19 AM
JoeBloggs  Find all comments by JoeBloggs
If we could resurrect the NT disciples; Reformers; Tyndale; the Puritans; Spurgeon; William Carey etc to survey England today?

They hear a congregation choosing to meet in the midst of a large peasant estate. They picture persecuted believers- the locals defaming those religious bigots. Ask for directions they expect all in the darkest neighborhood to know exactly where the burning light shines for Christians are always known! Instead they see shiny suits and polished new chariots (cars). They hear of modern puritans and reformers...keyboard warriors whose main action is to join with Christian groups to sign petitions to present to the government. None in the neighbourhood has heard of these 'Christians'. What would your Puritans think?

Tiny minority Muslim and Sodomite groups have a big voice and their indoctrination works! The true knowledge of God is withheld from Joe Bloggs. Love your neighbor as a human being first and present the truth to him. Tell me Joe can't be educated about any subject via a simple leaflet. That is how politicians & the local council brainwash. We don't know who are the elect.. granting a saving understanding of the gospel is only possible by means of sovereign revelation from heaven..but God uses means. How will the peasant hear today?

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News Item10/31/12 4:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
street wrote:
"it will be seen that being prepared to give a defence of the faith to those who ask as we go about our everyday lives requires far more of us than street evangelism or door knocking requires"
http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/salvation/evangelism/evangelism-and-apologetics-by-stephen-c-perks/
The man said, "I will venture to go then to the poorest parts of the neighbourhood, and deliver a leaflet to every door. The leaflet had these instructions..."

"Although the Calvinists do not believe a sinner will ask sensible questions concerning religion, yet some do have questions. If therefore you are one of them, and wish to know the way of salvation from sin and death and hell, this is what you must do: Go to the affluent part of town and call at every door. First ask if the man is a Calvinist. If he replies in the affirmative, then ask him if he is mature in the faith, has an understanding of the faith, and is well sanctified. If yes, ask if he is working out his own salvation with fear and trembling, and if he is fully committed to Christ and devoted to him."

"If he answers yes, ask him, 'What must I do to be saved?'"

"If he says, 'There is nothing you can do,' do not believe him, for he is a deluded soul."

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News Item10/31/12 4:07 PM
street  Find all comments by street
John UK wrote:
the question of outworking, csi.
"however, street evangelism and door knocking etc. require much less work. It is far easier in many ways, but it looks good, and it gives the impression of great commitment. Of course street evangelism may signify great commitment, but it can also hide a lack of it. The trouble with most street evangelism is that it is all noise and not much substance. It requires very little real practising of the Christian faith. Indeed, at the least it requires merely the giving away of a tract.

Defending the faith, on the other hand, requires first of all an understanding of the faith, and this in turn requires growth and maturity in the faith. Such growth in the faith and in our understanding of the faith is part of the process of sanctification. The apostle says ‘work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure’ (Phil. 2:12-13)"

"it will be seen that being prepared to give a defence of the faith to those who ask as we go about our everyday lives requires far more of us than street evangelism or door knocking requires"

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/salvation/evangelism/evangelism-and-apologetics-by-stephen-c-perks/

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News Item10/31/12 11:10 AM
permissivity  Find all comments by permissivity
Talkin’ ‘Bout My Generation
"“In front of every abortion clinic there needs to be a sign that reads, ‘Here by permission of the Church.’"
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News Item10/31/12 10:36 AM
local  Find all comments by local
John UK wrote:
This is an excellent article on the Puritan v Finney-style evangelism by Packer and I wholeheartedly agree with it.
But it doesn't answer the question of outworking, csi.
Sermon on SA
Puritan Evangelism; Its distinctives and its Contrast to the Evangelism of Today
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News Item10/31/12 10:10 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
This is an excellent article on the Puritan v Finney-style evangelism by Packer and I wholeheartedly agree with it.

But it doesn't answer the question of outworking, csi.

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News Item10/31/12 8:25 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
class system info wrote:
The "modern" method of evangelism is nothing like the Puritan method.
Now I am really interested in this one. Maybe you could tell me how "the Puritan Method" evangelises the lost, bearing in mind the following text.

Mark 16:15-16 KJV
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Thank you, and sorry for butting in.

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News Item10/31/12 7:54 AM
class system info | uk  Find all comments by class system info
JoeBloggs wrote:
A local church should be evangelizing the neighbourhood of peasants and is usually made up of all classes.
Careful how you read this one JB.

The Lord will save His elect regardless of what the church does in society.

The "modern" method of evangelism is nothing like the Puritan method. Have you ever wondered why?

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News Item10/30/12 7:34 PM
JoeBloggs  Find all comments by JoeBloggs
Your first response: "Joe Bloggs doesn't have a lap top"

You were mistaken. Some council folk are far from being uneducated peasants!

Why I used 'Joe Bloggs' is that it is 'Mr Average' I refer too. We agree the average man in England is far from being 'middle class'. We agree that disciples like Peter and John (fishermen) were seen as uneducated common men (Acts 4: 13). I hope we agree that the Lord chooses the lowly despised (I Cor 1: 28)

I mentioned council house/middle class only in the context that my nearest Reformed church meets in a school in the middle of a council estate, but never evangelsing the dwellings of the apparent 'uneducated' and possibly even a fisherman or two? See any problem?

The Lord does save uneducated council peasants. He saved me. Whether you like it or not the council peasant rarely meets a Reformed man and ends up in a brethren assembly or some place where the lowly are welcomed.

When the Lord came to this world it was the brainy Pharisees who appeared to run the church and the lowly were hung out to dry.

A local church should be evangelizing the neighbourhood of peasants and is usually made up of all classes.

One Reformed I appreciate that visits council estates

http://www.knightswoodchurch.org/

Agree? I hope so!

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News Item10/30/12 1:38 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
class system info wrote:
John. Do you think the Holy Spirit improves our chances in society in work, pay and position? Providence???
No I don't. And even a glance at the New Testament would answer your question admirably.

Christianity is a counter-culture, not a worldly society.

The Christians I admire most are those who have given up their good careers and prospects in this world, in order to better serve the Lord and their fellow men. Check out Jonathan Edwards and C.T Studd for starters.

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News Item10/30/12 1:19 PM
class system info | uk  Find all comments by class system info
JoeBloggs wrote:
The poor council house tenant exists
JB
I was just thinking, you mentioned in your first post that the Houses of God were filled with the middle classes. That being the way things are, and I agree with you, perhaps we need to factor in the Lord into that precise situation. The point then being that this is the way God ordains it to be. He only elects the middle class educated folks from the community.

Perhaps the Lord doesn't want a bunch of uneducated peasants from the council estate in His House? After all religion being an education based pursuit, the council peasants couldn't progress the church if they were to be involved, could they?

By His providence we are what we are and whom we are in life, uneducated or brainy!! The brainy people run society from their education base and the council tenants hang on at the edges, mainly unemployed for obvious reasons and pick up the gyro from taxation.

+~+~+~+~+

John UK wrote:
Tell me, do you believe that the Holy Ghost which indwells
John. Do you think the Holy Spirit improves our chances in society in work, pay and position? Providence???
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