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End-Times Christian Movie Series ‘Left Behind’ Set for Hollywood Reboot
While the “Left Behind” series is getting a major face-lift, the team behind the older films is, at least to a degree, intact. Writer, producer and Cloud Ten Pictures founder Paul Lalonde worked on the original series and he’s once again leading the latest effort. Script consultant John Patus, one of the many individuals who worked on “Left Behind: World at War,” the third movie in the series, is also involved in the new project.

While the reboot will follow what the Hollywood Reporter calls “a classic disaster film” format, the essential tenets of end-times theology will still be present. In fact, the film will remain Christian at its core, with the plot, once again, focusing on the survivors living in the hours after the Biblical Rapture. ...


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Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Frank, I think one problem is that people don't want to take the Book of Revelation literally, and that is what separates many Christians, but to do so causes an error in ESCHATOLOGY--Different Rapture Views. There's rather a good chart about Rapture that can be found at, The Timing of the Rapture, Oh, and so can a sermon.
The timing of the rapture is really off. Pre-trib is wrong and post-trib is correct. But the link discussing the different views is interesting. I always enjoy reading the arguments for and against things. If I can't argue post-trib, then I probably shouldn't profess to be post-trib.
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News Item11/2/12 1:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Frank, I think one problem is that people don't want to take the Book of Revelation literally, and that is what separates many Christians, but to do so causes an error in ESCHATOLOGY--Different Rapture Views. There's rather a good chart about Rapture that can be found at, The Timing of the Rapture, Oh, and so can a sermon.
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News Item11/2/12 12:13 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Brother Lurker,

It is odd that so many of Christ’s true children differ on so many subjects. The emergent church uses that to say that truth cannot really be known. The cults use it to say; “see, your house is divided, come to us”. Pluralists use it to justify pluralism, ecumenicalists use it to justify ecumenicalism, and secularists use it to condemn scriptures. And at the same time, the body of Christ must be one because Christ prayed for that to happen and of course His prayer would have been answered. But, even this mystery will work together for the glory of God. In order for the end to come (in my way of exegesis) there has to be confusion abounding throughout the world and the fact that there is so much disunity in the body of Christ and so many false Christians in the world will simply add to that confusion. None of us should willingly add to this confusion, but we all probably do. Anyway, I always like to think of truth as something that exists regardless of whether we find it or not; it still exists and all genuine Christians will look for it and when they have found it, they will fight for it. Lastly, the gospel is so wonderfully easy to understand and that is the “main thing”.

Thanks for the exchange, fellow “ember”.

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News Item11/2/12 9:31 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank,

Thanks for your response and sorry for the delay.

It seems that your method of determining the literal from the figurative is reasonable and balanced. Yet, you must admit that it is a subjective method which probably explains why there is such a wide range of interpretations in Christendom for most all biblical storylines. Consider the vast spread between the Dispys and the Preterists, for example. How can this be if both are being led into all truth by the HS and both are using the same bible.... not necessarily the same version? There's got to be a better way.

Anyway, thanks for the interaction and fellowship. Since both of us are embers outside the fire, figuratively speaking of course, it's necessary for us to keep from cooling off.

God bless.

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News Item11/1/12 12:35 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker,

Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones [that are] on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

I would say the above sounds literal.

Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, [as] prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

I don’t know how to interpret the above verse. I have never studied it.

Isa 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

I think the above is speaking figuratively of a literal text that says there will be changes regarding the sun and moon prior to Christ’s return. Mt. 24:29. Like you said, the best way to interpret scripture is with scripture. I also have no problem with your 2nd point of interpretation.

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News Item11/1/12 11:35 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Hello, brother. Thanks for your reply.
Where is it written "Thou shalt interpret scripture literally"?
Yes, we are all responsible for the hermeneutic we use when reading scripture. I simply try to read it like what I refer to as a “plowman”. In other words, God will communicate His truths to all those who desire truth and He knows our hearts. So, there are times when God speaks literally and other times He speaks figuratively; the same as we do. When I read your posts, I usually can understand when you are saying something in a literal fashion or not; the same as when I read most things.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Often times saying something in a literal way is not nearly as informative or descriptive as saying it metaphorically, figuratively, proverbially, allegorically, or by using some type of analogy. An example would be Christ saying He was a door; or Christ saying His followers were His sheep. No one seriously thinks we are animals and no one seriously thinks Christ was a literal door, but using those figures of speech makes His point very clear.

I'll check the Isaiah verses out. will be back.

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News Item10/31/12 10:20 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
Let me know if I have violated my literal hermeneutic.
Hello, brother. Thanks for your reply.

Where is it written "Thou shalt interpret scripture literally"?

In my studies I have found but two interpretive principals in scripture.... 1) scripture interprets scripture 2) cross reference source prophecies in full context to their cited fulfillment e.g. Luke 4:21.

Using these interpretive principals, the need to make a subjective, arbitrary decision whether a text should be interpreted literally of figuratively is taken out of the way.

Anyway, I'm glad we agree on a post-trib resurrection (rapture) even though we disagree on which resurrection.

Btw, Is 24:21-23 is a prophecy which, in my studies I have found, corresponds with Rev 19:11 thru 20:6. Looks like a real conundrum to determine if it should be interpreted literally or figuratively especially when you project it onto a literal interpretation of the corresponding Revelation text.

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News Item10/31/12 6:59 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Frank, I think I agree with you? Christ is in his physical form in heaven and will always have that. at the moment we have the Holy Spirit forever helping us.
John 14
16 "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.---NASB
I think Dr. Ice still did a very good critique about The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism.
I checked out Dr. Ice's article and thought it wasn't particularly helpful. It was mostly ideological. But, it did give me a historical account of each position that I wasn't unaware of. In my way of thinking he is just as guilty of allegorizing scripture to support his pre-trib thoughts, as the a/post mill. folks are.
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News Item10/31/12 4:11 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Frank, I think I agree with you? Christ is in his physical form in heaven and will always have that. at the moment we have the Holy Spirit forever helping us.
John 14
16 "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.---NASB
I think Dr. Ice still did a very good critique about The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism.
Thanks Jim. Even though Dr. Ice is a pre-triber and I am a post-triber, it sounds like something that would be interesting, so I'll check it out since it certainly is on topic.
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News Item10/31/12 2:10 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Frank, I think I agree with you? Christ is in his physical form in heaven and will always have that. at the moment we have the Holy Spirit forever helping us.

John 14
16 "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.---NASB

I think Dr. Ice still did a very good critique about The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism.

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News Item10/31/12 12:47 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Hello brother!

Let me know if I have violated my literal hermeneutic.

One could make a good argument that God has always ruled and reigned over His creation and the fact that we have evil is simply because God permits Satan to conduct his affairs, but only with His permission and within His boundaries; in other words, He has never given up His reign. But, I agree with you that the context in Rev. 11:15 doesn’t permit that sort of argument. When Christ returns prior to the Millennium, He will set up an earthly kingdom where He will be present in His glorified body. He is never not physically present throughout eternity, so He rules and reigns forever in physical form and the kingdoms of this world have been given to Him in a literal sense, but …

It also probably signifies a reality that will be completely fulfilled at some future time in history. God often speaks from eternity, rather than in dynamic time, so in His mind the coming of Christ fulfilled one reality and His “total” ruling a future reality; both already past. That would be faithful to a literal interpretation of scripture since God does that throughout scripture. As you know, God often speaks in the past-tense to describe a future event or reality.

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News Item10/31/12 9:35 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
1. I agree!
2. No conflict what-so-ever
3. Is 52:11 - separation same as 2 Co. 6:14-18. yes, same as 2 Co 6:17 Not the same as Re 18:4
4. I like your hermeneutic.
5. Fair enough brother!
Good morning, Frank.

I said I wouldn't press the matter further but I've been puzzled by your answer to point 2) "No conflict what-so-ever" so I'm hoping you'll help me understand.

If the thousand year reign of Christ literally means a thousand years, then how can....

Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

.... not present a conflict?

Is there anything excepted from Christ's reign in this verse which would fall into a temporal 1,000 year reign? Or does "for ever and ever" and "1,000 years" mean the same thing? Or something else I've not considered?

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News Item10/28/12 11:32 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
ah yes, it comes down again, to who the "elect" are.

and then from this, is your name written in the book of life?

and if your name is there, is it because God chose you or because you chose Him?

And if He chose you, then are you not "chosen"?

How simple, even a child can understand. Hallelujah!

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News Item10/28/12 2:03 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Huff wrote:
Jacob's trouble the 3.5 years considered thr great trib. Matthew and Luke end times signs by Christ mouth: why is Matt's longer? Pointed toward the jews. Luke's, a gentile himself, is shorter and points to the church.
Huff, I notice you didn't address my "specific" concerns concerning whether the Holy Spirit can be the "restrainer"? Anyway, if Christ didn't mean for the Olivet Discourse to be for the "church", then why did He say the following after giving it? Your hermaneutic allows you to really pick and choose.

Mt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world

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News Item10/28/12 12:51 PM
Huff | Tallahassee  Find all comments by Huff
Primary. Might be too strong a word.
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News Item10/28/12 12:49 PM
Huff | Tallahassee  Find all comments by Huff
Jacob's trouble the 3.5 years considered thr great trib. Matthew and Luke end times signs by Christ mouth: why is Matt's longer? Pointed toward the jews. Luke's, a gentile himself, is shorter and points to the church.
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News Item10/28/12 12:45 PM
Huff | Tallahassee  Find all comments by Huff
Thy people. Daniel a jew, God's chosen people Jews. Many scripture refernces post back shortly
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News Item10/28/12 11:48 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Good Morning John UK,
Huffs comment can be traced to a misunderstanding of Scripture, notably
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Its clear from the text that Michael stands up for Gods People that are written in the Book(The Church)
Howdy Steve

Thanks for the info; that explains it. I'd never heard anyone ever mention Michael the archangel in that context. Good to know he's on our side, anyway!

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News Item10/28/12 8:28 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Eh? Where did that idea spring from, Huff?
Good Morning John UK,
Huffs comment can be traced to a misunderstanding of Scripture, notably

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Its clear from the text that Michael stands up for Gods People that are written in the Book(The Church)

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News Item10/28/12 6:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Huff wrote:
The archangel michael is primarily the protector of Israel and the Jews.
Eh? Where did that idea spring from, Huff?
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