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TUESDAY, OCT 16, 2012  |  18 comments  |  1 commentary
King's College D'Souza Faces Questions
About 2,000 people gathered on Sept. 28 at First Baptist North in Spartanburg, S.C., to hear high-profile Christians speak on defending the faith and applying a Christian worldview to their lives. Among the speakers: Eric Metaxas, Josh McDowell, and‚ÄĒkeynote speaker for the evening‚ÄĒbest-selling author, filmmaker, and Christian college president Dinesh D‚ÄôSouza.

D’Souza’s speech earned him a standing ovation and a long line at the book-signing table immediately afterward. Although D’Souza has been married for 20 years to his wife, Dixie, in South Carolina he was with a young woman, Denise Odie Joseph II, and introduced her to at least three people as his fiancée.

Finally, near 11 p.m., event organizer Tony Beam escorted D’Souza and Joseph to the nearby Comfort Suites. Beam noted that they checked in together and were apparently sharing a room for the night in the sold-out hotel. The next morning, ...


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jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim -- shabbat would be Christ.

He's rest for those who want to be saved out of sin, not necessarily for those who want to be saved into sin.

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News Item10/21/12 4:18 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
jpw, The shabbat! I'm always running around on Saturday! Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance Reading material for both of you,
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
When we place our faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ, we are set free '...from the law of sin and death' (Romans 8:1-2). The weakness of the Law was not the Law itself, but that it commanded those who are imperfect to be perfect. It is like saying 'Gil, fly to the moon, and you will be saved.' Sounds good to me, but no matter how hard I try, I cannot fly to the moon on my own power. I need something to bring me there because I am weak.

In like manner, God provided His own Son for the fulfillment of the Law; 'For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit'.... The law simply communicates how sinful we are, and serves as a means of judgment for the unsaved....

See A Superi
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News Item10/20/12 8:44 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim, which of the 10 Commandments do you typically break per your freedom in Christ? is it idolatry, murder, theft, jealousy, blasphemy.......which of those is the Christian free to commit?
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News Item10/20/12 6:54 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The Ten Commandments
Neil apparently you never listened to the sermon, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance I'm not an official representative of IHCC in theology (and even more so not in politics!)
Nice try, but you still have a problem: in pitting Law as contrary to Grace, you now pit Christ against Christ, since obedience to Him (John 14:15,21) is no less ‚Äúlegalistic‚ÄĚ than to Moses. To say otherwise is to commit the Fallacy of Equivocation, in trying to maintain two kinds of obedience, one supposedly "legalistic‚ÄĚ & one gracious, where none is really possible. Obedience is obedience; the content (e.g. Sabbath or no Sabbath) is a secondary issue.

This is why some Dispies try to avoid this contradiction by consigning ALL of Christ's teachings to the OT Dispensation.

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News Item10/20/12 4:25 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The Ten Commandments

Neil apparently you never listened to the sermon, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance and there is more to the sermon The Law of Moses in The Plan of God then the summary.
In the New Covenant (this where Reformed people are dispensationalists ) We are just that --all-- of the Mosaic Law is swept away, and only what is repeated in the New Covenant (Testament) applies to Christians i.e. nine of 10 Commandments, (As I remember for example being taught by Dr. Vlach when he was on staff at IHCC, and I don't remember Gil saying anything that contradicts that idea) but you should remember even those are covered by,

Matthew 5:20 and Matthew 22:34-40

I'm not an official representative of IHCC in theology (and even more so not in politics!)

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News Item10/18/12 3:39 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why Neil?
You are still not addressing my point, that you & Gil Rugh are clearly saying different things. You believe in Ten minus One Commandments, & but he says NONE have authority over believers (as the quotes you give make clear).

No wonder the Dispy trumpet makes an uncertain sound.

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News Item10/18/12 2:02 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why Neil?

Mark 2
27 And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.---NASB

But of course people shouldn't be running around on Saturday the sabbath, if they want to strictly keep it, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance.

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
There are problems with people who do not understand the Scriptures well enough to apply the Scriptures accurately. Too many people don't understand that we are not under the Mosaic Law. As the the Apostle James pointed out you keep ALL of the Mosaic law or with one infraction of it, you have broken all of it. The Mosaic law was made only with one physical people, Israel. The Mosaic law only applies to Gentiles who identify themselves with the nation of Israel -- converts to Judaism.
Christians are deserting Christ when they say they have to live unde the Mosaic Law, this idea is opposed to what the Apostle Paul preached.....
part of the summary for, The Law of Moses in The Plan of God.
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News Item10/17/12 10:44 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
some may call cutting out the sermon on the mount as "progressive calvinism" and "literalism" and others may just call it "degeneration".
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News Item10/17/12 3:14 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Blanus, good quote. It's fun finding flaws in Jim's thoughts. Here's an inference I overlooked:

P1: Keeping the Sabbath is part of the Law;
P2: The Law (says Jim Lincoln, not Gil Rugh) is guidance for believers;
C: Therefore, keeping the Sabbath is guidance for believers.

So why do so many folks, even Dispies, go to Denny's or IHOP after church? That is not heeding the Law's guidance.

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News Item10/17/12 3:00 PM
Blanus  Find all comments by Blanus
Jim Lincoln wrote:
we use the Old Testament as guidance, but any portion of it that be a "law," to Christians is what Christ said was
Yet you obviously don't accept these words of Christ.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"
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News Item10/17/12 2:55 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, we use the Old Testament as guidance, but any portion of it that be a "law," to Christians is what Christ said was,

Oh, D'Souza is in the Calvinist tradition it's a moot question about my stand on the law.

Nothing you say explains how Rugh can mean only the Sabbath Day & not the whole Law is abolished. And he denied its *authority* over the believer, so why do you now call it *guidance*? That is not his wording.

I don't care what D'Souza's tradition is; that is meaningless considering how variable Calvinistic so-called "tradition" can be.

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News Item10/17/12 2:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, did you notice the quotation I used? No, we use the Old Testament as guidance, but any portion of it that be a "law," to Christians is what Christ said was, Gil of course has also pointed out,
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
...The law becomes a vehicle by which I come to know what sin is, because God says, don't do this and I do it, I violate the law. I am revealed to be a sinner. Before the law was given, people were sinners in their very being. in their very nature, but sin was not recognizable in the way it is after the giving of the law....
part of the summary all of which you might read, for, The Purpose of the Law. I will point out,

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.---NASB

A legalist is one who hasn't become a Christian yet.

Oh, D'Souza is in the Calvinist tradition it's a moot question about my stand on the law.

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News Item10/17/12 2:14 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
..we obey 9 of the commandments and not 10--by the way.
That is NOT what Rugh himself says! In the very URLs you posted, he says, "Nowhere in the Old Testament is there any word that the Gentile nations ought to observe the sabbath, or KEEP THE LAW [emphasis mine]. It was for the nation Israel." And, "The emphasis in this section explains how the Gospel sets the believer free from the power and authority[!] of the Mosaic Law."

So you're misrepresenting Rugh, even contradicting him. If he meant only the Sabbath Day, he would not refer to it with the categorical term "Law." That would create a tautology in the 1st quote. Unless he is horribly confused, his words mean the whole Law, not just a part of it.

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News Item10/17/12 1:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Cas/Neil I see you fellows are familiar with The Calvinistic Heritage of Dispensationalism. IHCC is Dispensationalist, the idea of being lawless is incorrect.

We do have freedom from
Freedom from the Mosaic Law

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
....
Some parts of the Mosaic Law have been given as commands by Christ. Believers obey those commands not out of obligation to the Law but to be obedient to Christ and His authority. Today believers are obligated to Christ's teaching, live under His authority, and are able to obey because of the indwelling Spirit of God.
from the summary for the avove sermon. The sermon, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance explains why we obey 9 of the commandments and not 10--by the way. You fellows really need to listen to the sermon, (besides the above one,) Dispensations to get a better handle on what it is.
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News Item10/16/12 3:56 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
CAS wrote:
Along those lines, I was even taught in bible college that the sermon on the mount does not apply to the church age but is valid for the coming millennial kingdom.
[Sorry, I changed my post, but the thought is mostly the same]

Yup, I've heard that line too. With this arbitrary habit of ‚Äúrightly dividing‚ÄĚ Scripture, it's no wonder that some scholars (echoing Kierkegaard) contrast ‚ÄúPauline‚ÄĚ Christianity with that of Christ. The only difference is, Dispies still insist on inerrancy, but sufficiency is in effect denied, or at least badly weakened.

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News Item10/16/12 3:27 PM
CAS | S.Cal  Find all comments by CAS
"Dispy antinomians have long told us: that the OT Law (all of it not repeated in the NT) is for the Jews, not Church Age believers."

Along those lines, I was even taught in bible college that the sermon on the mount does not apply to the church age but is valid for the coming millennial kingdom.

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News Item10/16/12 3:08 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I see D'Souza has failed to keep at least one of the above.
So what? Why blame him for heeding what Dispies have long taught: that the 10 Commandments are for Jews under Law, not Church Age believers under Grace. D'Souza is not a Jew; therefore, by this reasoning, he is not obliged to keep the Law.

Now Dispies may deny this inference, but that is because they insist on maintaining a contradiction: that ethical obedience can be required in an age in which Law is not supposed to play a part, only Grace.

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News Item10/16/12 2:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dinesh D’Souza, a good Republican, perhaps could comment on The Record of Republican Corruption :-7

Matthew 19
17 And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
18 He said^ to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS;
19 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."---NASB

I see D'Souza has failed to keep at least one of the above.

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