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FRIDAY, OCT 12, 2012  |  116 comments  |  1 commentary
Mitt Romney Visits Rev. Billy Graham: ‘Prayer Is the Most Helpful Thing You Can Do For Me’

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney met Thursday with Rev. Billy Graham, and the aging evangelist pledged to do “all I can” to help the GOP nominee win the presidency.

Romney went to see Graham and his son, the Rev. Franklin Graham, at the elderly evangelist’s mountaintop home in the mountains of western North Carolina.

“Prayer is the most helpful thing you can do for me,” Romney told the 93-year-old Graham.


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Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Thank you both for your kindness and your prayers.
Lurker, if you are following this thread, let me know how you are doing on your health issue. Thanks!
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News Item10/18/12 9:10 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Thank you both for your kindness and your prayers.
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News Item10/17/12 2:30 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Doing OK, John. I've had a health incident in the past week which is keeping me preoccupied. But I seem to be on the mend. Thanks for asking.
I will also pray for you; that the Lord heals you completely and then we will leave it in His capable, sovereign and loving hands. Scripture says He loves us, we are called by His name, that He honors us, and that we are precious to Him. My goodness!
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News Item10/17/12 9:31 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Doing OK, John. I've had a health incident in the past week which is keeping me preoccupied. But I seem to be on the mend. Thanks for asking.
My dear ol' bro. Praise God that you are going in the right direction, both eternally and in your current incident. Now I know I shall pray a bit for you, even though I'm poor at this prayer thingy. E.M. Bounds could whip me into shape, but I think I would faint at the effort or my knees would give way, needing hospital treatment.

Whatever, thinking of you, and appreciate your posts always!

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News Item10/17/12 9:24 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Mornin' Lurker.
Hey are you okay bro? You're staying very low key recently. Just wondered.
Doing OK, John. I've had a health incident in the past week which is keeping me preoccupied. But I seem to be on the mend. Thanks for asking.
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News Item10/17/12 4:35 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Morning, John & Frank.
Mornin' Lurker.

Hey are you okay bro? You're staying very low key recently. Just wondered.

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News Item10/16/12 12:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
John,
Yes, I agree the incidents I referred to were ramblings of people with no religious truth. The problem is they still exist today in some form or another. Many today believe that Jesus was simply possessed by God who sort of took Him over at His baptism or perhaps at some other time. I know the New Agers are particularly guilty of that.
Anyway, thanks for your input as well.
Warm and sunny here in Clearwater, FL.
It's all right for some.

We've got autumn in full swing.

I can now understand what you were referring to, something like the law of karma, where the life is analysed and at death and reincarnation we are supposed to come back as a greater or lesser being, dependent on how good or bad we've been. I think this is what Buddhists and Sikhs etc believe, but I know very little about it.

But if folks had that belief in the first century, that might be a possible explanation of your texts. However, I do not know if the Jews entertained such ideas, I've never heard of that. Perhaps someone could enlighten me/us as to that.

Interesting though.

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News Item10/16/12 11:37 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
To be honest Frank, I have never ever pondered on the issue you bring up, never thought about it. I suspect every biblical incident where it occurs would be evidence of the religious ravings of unbelievers, and therefore there is no limit to the ramblings of such.
Maybe it is that I just ignored such ramblings, like Jesus did.
Truth is far better than mans' inventions.
Mike, I agree with your definition of resurrection, but then disagree that was the heresy of the people. The Jewish culture was big into transmigration of souls and I tend to think that is what they were referring to, but there is no reason to debate that. Thanks for you input though.

John,

Yes, I agree the incidents I referred to were ramblings of people with no religious truth. The problem is they still exist today in some form or another. Many today believe that Jesus was simply possessed by God who sort of took Him over at His baptism or perhaps at some other time. I know the New Agers are particularly guilty of that.

Anyway, thanks for your input as well.

Warm and sunny here in Clearwater, FL.

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News Item10/16/12 10:28 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Frank wrote:
When you use the term resurrection, are you saying it was like a "spirit possession". So, like John the Baptist's spirit then took residence in Jesus' body? That seemed to be what Herod thought since he of course looked at Jesus and saw Jesus, but thought he was actually John the Baptist risen from the dead. It seems like we are saying the same thing except I called it spiritual possession. There is also a heresy even today that says Jesus wasn't God, but was simply possessed by Him at His baptism or at some other time.
Before I go any further with this, in case I haven't made it clear I am not saying there is any truth to reincarnation, transmigration of souls or perhaps what you are referring to when you use the word resurrection.
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Not spirit possession, nor transmigration. When Jesus was resurrected, he was still Jesus. That defines resurrection.

Herod did not see Jesus, according to Mark 6:14-"And king Herod *heard* of him; (for his name was spread abroad"

He assumed, upon this hearing of what had gone on, that it was John resurrected.(6:16) Likely out of fear and guilt, knowing that John was a holy man, wrongly put to death by Herod.

Herod saw Jesus for the first time when Pilate sent him. (Luke 23)

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News Item10/16/12 6:19 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
I guess the reason the issue intrigued me was because thoughts regarding spirit possession or transmigration of souls must have been common place thoughts in the Jewish culture at the time of Christ. Notice the below:
To be honest Frank, I have never ever pondered on the issue you bring up, never thought about it. I suspect every biblical incident where it occurs would be evidence of the religious ravings of unbelievers, and therefore there is no limit to the ramblings of such.

Maybe it is that I just ignored such ramblings, like Jesus did.

Truth is far better than mans' inventions.

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News Item10/15/12 8:44 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike wrote:
Frank, I think you'll find it was resurrection the people had in mind. Many in the culture believed in resurrection. Some such as the Sadducees, didn't.
When you use the term resurrection, are you saying it was like a "spirit possession". So, like John the Baptist's spirit then took residence in Jesus' body? That seemed to be what Herod thought since he of course looked at Jesus and saw Jesus, but thought he was actually John the Baptist risen from the dead. It seems like we are saying the same thing except I called it spiritual possession. There is also a heresy even today that says Jesus wasn't God, but was simply possessed by Him at His baptism or at some other time.

Before I go any further with this, in case I haven't made it clear I am not saying there is any truth to reincarnation, transmigration of souls or perhaps what you are referring to when you use the word resurrection. I was only intrigued because the people obviously had thoughts along those lines and I thought about that when studying the verse about the man born blind and how Jesus' disiples phrased their question to Him.

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News Item10/15/12 7:58 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Frank, I think you'll find it was resurrection the people had in mind. Many in the culture believed in resurrection. Some such as the Sadducees, didn't.
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News Item10/15/12 7:05 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
I guess the reason the issue intrigued me was because thoughts regarding spirit possession or transmigration of souls must have been common place thoughts in the Jewish culture at the time of Christ. Notice the below:

Luke 9:19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some [say], Elias; and others [say], that one of the old prophets is risen again.

Once again, in the above Jesus didn’t correct the thoughts of the people that He couldn’t be John the Baptist. Jesus was only 6 months younger than John. Also, note that the people also thought that a prophet had risen again. That would either be a thought associated with spirit possession, transmigration of souls or reincarnation.

Mark 6:14 ... and he said, That John the Baptist was risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him. 15 Others said, That it is Elias. And others said, That it is a prophet, or as one of the prophets. 16 But when Herod heard [thereof], he said, It is John, whom I beheaded: he is risen from the dead.

Lastly, notice that Herod and the people entertained the same thoughts in the above.

Your opinion is good and the one I have always considered the orthodox one. Anyway, the above is why I pondered it.

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News Item10/15/12 3:58 PM
Phoebe  Find all comments by Phoebe
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi Phoebe,
Thanks so much for posting up all of the recommended reading/listening. I know you could have kept going too.
Interesting thing is that I have already found and have been listening to many of those you listed. I've been going deep into the history, doctrines, dogmas, etc of the RC church and I've found Alan Cairns, Steve Hereford, and Dr John Barnett to be very helpful.
Among others, I like Ken Ham as well, but I sure wish the man would record something longer than a minute. There are pages and pages of his one minute comments that I have to scroll through in order to get to other speakers at times...ha-ha.
Dear Ken Ham, for Christmas this year, I would like a compilation of your creation comments. : )
Email him - Ken Ham - with your fancy app.
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News Item10/15/12 2:59 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
When the disciples asked Jesus "who sinned, this man or his parents that he should be "born" blind, why didn't Jesus correct their reincarnation or transmigration of souls thought?
Ah yes, now I remember. I didn't understand the question, was why I never replied to it. But I will have a try, brother, and see what transpires.

Let's take the "reincarnation" theory.

The disciples were surely not thinking of reincarnation when they asked the question. Rather they were wrongly thinking that every sin has consequences in this world. They believed that sins of forefathers could have consequences in their children. And so they asked whether it was the sins of the parents, or the (foreknown) sins of the son, which had brought down the condemnation and judgment of God that he be born blind.

This incorrect theology was removed by the Lord when he told them it was not due to sin at all, either the parents or the son, that he was born blind. It occurred so that when God's Son came to earth, his glory would be revealed in the man's healing. It is potter and clay territory.

Well there's a few of my thoughts on it, Frank. I'm not saying I'm right, but it is what I believe currently.

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News Item10/15/12 2:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Oh, just to remind everyone, Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses aren't Christians, e.g., A Mormon in the White House? 10 Things Every American Should Know About Mitt Romney and neither is Billy Graham, Billy Graham Believes Catholic Doctrine of Salvation Without Bible, Gospel, or Name of Christ.

So, now that we got pertinent comments on the article out of the way, I will point out--

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
... Biblical love tells the truth and acts upon the truth. It is not a demonstration of love to compromise the truth by associating or fellowshipping with false teachers, personally or privately. The believer should not be doing anything to support false teaching in any way. To do so is to participate in that ministry. Participation is a compromise of one's commitment and loyalty to God, His word, and His love.
from the summary for,
Disassociate with False Teachers
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News Item10/15/12 2:27 PM
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Rothbury News wrote:
Antichrist has already made the claim to be God...read all about it!
'Sitting in the temple of God speaking ex-cathedra the Pope claims to have the infallibility of God Himself. This is the daring pitch and blasphemy of Antichrist in keeping with Paul’s prophecy, ‘Shewing himself to be God.’
Whilst I agree the papal office its incumbent and the catholic heresy has traits of the antichrist, I don't accept the pope is THE antichrist.

The way which Liberalism has embraced many churches today demonstrates this competing heresy which is influential in church and politics. Western society follows Liberalism in its institutions much more than the RCC is followed.

Whilst antichrist(S) are many and varied at this point in time (including the RCC) the final personification of THE Antichrist is yet to appear at some future date and circumstances which are yet to emerge. Meanwhile the RCC and the Vatican declines in popularity.

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News Item10/15/12 2:04 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
The last "I" is you yourself, not you as a Christian leader?
I think I have it now. I call it by a non theological word: "walkout".
Now how about that question? I don't know how I missed it.
I was trying to word all of it as if I was a Christian leader, it is too hard for me to explain using a lay person as an example, but I do believe in people like me practicing primary and secondary as well. The question is copied below, but like I said, but it might be a question that should be avoided since my conclusion is very "unorthodox" But, if you can come up with an orthodox opinion, it actually would help me. I am not afraid of being unorthodox, because Jesus knows my heart anyway, but it does always cause me concern.

When the disciples asked Jesus "who sinned, this man or his parents that he should be "born" blind, why didn't Jesus correct their reincarnation or transmigration of souls thought?

I am off to take my wife shopping and spend Obama money before he gives it to Egypt or somewhere else.

You are such a nice fellow to put up with me.

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News Item10/15/12 1:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
First I am wording this as if I am a Christian leader.
Let's say that I have a public relationship with a fellow Christian leader who lapses into heresy; something that would be harmful to the body of Christ. I tell this person of his heresy, but he refuses to recant. I have two choices; I can ignore his heresy and still publicly fellowship with him, or I can publicly denounce him until he repents of his heresy; separate from him. That to me is "primary" separation.
Secondary would simply be that if the above leader doesn't separate from the one who is teaching heresy, then I would publicly separate from him.
The last "I" is you yourself, not you as a Christian leader?

I think I have it now. I call it by a non theological word: "walkout".

Now how about that question? I don't know how I missed it.

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News Item10/15/12 1:11 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Something to do with false teachers? Tell me brother - what is it?
First I am wording this as if I am a Christian leader.

Let's say that I have a public relationship with a fellow Christian leader who lapses into heresy; something that would be harmful to the body of Christ. I tell this person of his heresy, but he refuses to recant. I have two choices; I can ignore his heresy and still publicly fellowship with him, or I can publicly denounce him until he repents of his heresy; separate from him. That to me is "primary" separation.

Secondary would simply be that if the above leader doesn't separate from the one who is teaching heresy, then I would publicly separate from him. The below paragraph is from the internet and explains the thought behind it better than I can. Romans 16:17 and 2 Th.3:14,15 are good texts for me.

True biblical separation is a matter of love: a love for God that rejects the world system, a love for the Church that will not tolerate false teachers who desire to lead the sheep astray and to devour them, and a love for the Christian brother—a love that is willing to endure even a break in fellowship in order to provoke him to do right.

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