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THURSDAY, OCT 11, 2012| 57 comments| 1 commentary
Obama, Romney: What they believe

Earlier last month, Christ Covenant senior pastor Mike Ross wrote a letter to his congregation about an unprecedented dynamic: “More than any time in my 30 years of pastoral ministry, people are talking to me about whom to vote for,” he wrote.

In a phone interview from his office in Matthews, N.C., Ross said one concern prevails for many in his predominantly conservative congregation of 2,500 members: “They’re really not happy that Mr. Romney is a Mormon.”

Religion hasn’t always been a prominent topic in presidential elections. Indeed, a handful of past presidents have embraced religious movements outside the pale of orthodox Christianity: Presidents John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, and William Howard Taft were Unitarians. Presidents Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon were Quakers. ...


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Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
and the Democrats controlled both houses and the white house in the 111th congress so both parties didn't get the job done. Not excuses the tactics at the republican convention, but watching the democrats yell No to include God in the platform wasn't a pretty site either. I agree with Ron Paul on most of his issues, but also can't overlook the fact that he is racist and seemingly clueless on foreign policy. Romney definitely not the best republican candidate but that doesn't change the fact that he is the republican candidate. As stated previously, a vote for a third party candidate is a vote to put the president and his policies back in office. If that is what you want then that is how you should vote. Teddy Roosevelt was a third party candidate who lost also. So, after over 100 years of trying, maybe we should not foolishly believe it is going to change. Idaho is right, changes have to be made at the local level.
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News Item10/13/12 7:55 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
"both chambers had a Republican majority" during Bush Presidency, 109th Congress, as for what happened at committee level, I do not know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/109th_United_States_Congress

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and idaho is right on....until we get the facts straight, we'll just keep being reactionary. better pay attention to what happened at convention. a whole state vote was kicked out and replaced by national committee choice. that means a few committee members predetermine what vote a state should have and will eliminate the election results/delegates from a state that doesn't go their way.

watching the footage of Maine delegation walk out during delegation vote, many veterans among them, grown men weeping was unforgettable.

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News Item10/13/12 7:52 PM
idaho  Find all comments by idaho
Ron Paul is a man of character. His faith is solid and he is principles to the point of having to stand alone more than once.

Whether you agree with him or not at least you know he believes what he says. The others have made careers out of changing their tune to fit the audience.

If you looked any deeper than the talking heads and main news outlets you would see the incredible corruption that was rampant during the republican caucuses. All of that culminated with and incredibly unethical power grab at the RNC.

Most have no clue about any of this, even though the corruption was so bad that the main delegation, walked out of the convention. The republican governor of Main refused to attend the entire event in Tampa because the GOP, without cause unseated half of the duly elected delegates and replaced them with Romney Loyalists.

Basically we sit by and let somebody else pick our candidate and then complain that we have no choice.

We, collectively through ignorance, made our bed...

Elections are decided in the Primaries and Caucuses. Until people (lots of people) sort that out we will be force-fed garbage candidates.

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News Item10/13/12 7:46 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
jpw wrote:
Ron Paul introduced Sanctity of Life Act to Congress. Guess Reps didn't want it.
The prolife candidate was Dr. Ron Paul.
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/
Here is his clarification on act above.
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/RonPaul.pdf
So here we are stuck, blaming God, for two candidates who's religions are wrapped up in end time glory.
After the Maine coalition was prevented from voting at the RNC (they would've voted for RP), they held a press conference and opened in a prayer in Jesus name, wanting to restore fair rules of engagement in electoral process.
No, most didn't hear of this because they watch tv (and I say loosely) "news", which in this case kept them from being informed.
If Congress wanted the bill mentioned above to pass, they've had plenty of opportunity, and it wouldn't have taken a Supreme Court.
Just more carrot dangling.
There were in fact similar things introduced by Republicans. One being The Sanctity of Human Life Act, cosponsored by 60+ Republicans(including Paul Ryan) and no Democrats. It isn't easy to get a one-sided bill passed, especially when it has to go through committees before getting to the floor for a vote. Some GOP are spineless, not all.
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News Item10/13/12 6:30 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
jpw wrote:
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So here we are stuck, blaming God, for two candidates who's religions are wrapped up in end time glory.
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Guess just need clarification. According to documented statements in Wikipedia,
The Sanctity of Life Act was a bill first introduced in the United States House of Representatives by Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) on July 20, 1995, and cosponsored by Rep. Barbara Cubin (R-WY). It was reintroduced with similar text by Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) in 2005 in the 109th United States Congress,[1] 110th United States Congress,[2][3] 111th United States Congress,[4] and the 112th United States Congress.[5]

Those are years which are split between democratic and republican control of the house, so I am thinking the words "Reps" stands for representatives. Also, not sure where anybody in this forum is blaming God. Lastly had the bill been passed out of the house it would not have even come up for a vote in Harry Reid's Senate. Would love to see it pass and get signed by the president, t'aint happening under Obama. So,if that is your values, then it does matter for whom you vote.

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News Item10/13/12 2:21 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Ron Paul introduced Sanctity of Life Act to Congress. Guess Reps didn't want it.

The prolife candidate was Dr. Ron Paul.

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/

Here is his clarification on act above.

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/RonPaul.pdf

So here we are stuck, blaming God, for two candidates who's religions are wrapped up in end time glory.

After the Maine coalition was prevented from voting at the RNC (they would've voted for RP), they held a press conference and opened in a prayer in Jesus name, wanting to restore fair rules of engagement in electoral process.

No, most didn't hear of this because they watch tv (and I say loosely) "news", which in this case kept them from being informed.

If Congress wanted the bill mentioned above to pass, they've had plenty of opportunity, and it wouldn't have taken a Supreme Court.

Just more carrot dangling.

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News Item10/13/12 1:10 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
marty wrote:
Well, I hope that the best happens with the court, but let me know what you think about this (Dr. North talking about abortion - it's not just about abortion, but I'm only highlighting the abortion part):
http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1083.html
That article made sense. But it was the liberal Judges on the Supreme Court in 1973 who went against the Constitution and ruled that abortion was to be made legal. So it will have to be a majority of conservative Judges on the Supreme Court who will have to rule that abortion be made illegal again. And it was liberal Judges on the Supreme Court and other courts who went against the Constitution and ruled that homosexuality be made legal. So it will have to conservative Judges who rule that homosexuality be made illegal again.
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News Item10/13/12 9:40 AM
marty | usa  Find all comments by marty
John Yurich USA wrote:
Look, there are several Judges on the Supreme Court who will retire soon. If Obama is re elected he will appoint Pro Abortion Judges to the Supreme Court and thus making sure that Roe v Wade is never overturned. But if Romney is elected president then he will appoint Pro Life Judges to the Supreme Court and Roe v Wade will most certainly be overturned. And if Romney is elected president then he will also appoint Judges to other courts who will make homosexuality against the law again.
Well, I hope that the best happens with the court, but let me know what you think about this (Dr. North talking about abortion - it's not just about abortion, but I'm only highlighting the abortion part):

http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1083.html

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News Item10/13/12 5:17 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
marty wrote:
Totally superfluous, really? What about this man makes you think that he'll keep his promises? What about this man makes you think he'll appoint a virtuous man to the Supreme Court? Crack open your Bible and show me one passage that suggests that we can trust the words of a man that change with each new opportunity. Show me a place in the Scriptures that suggests we should ignore actions, believing unsupported words. If we are faithful, and raise faithful children, we can change the nation in a generation or two. By the work of the Spirit guiding diligent hands, whole nations have been converted to Christ in a few generations, what's changed? Why this spirit of pragmatism? It's just humanistic poison.
Look, there are several Judges on the Supreme Court who will retire soon. If Obama is re elected he will appoint Pro Abortion Judges to the Supreme Court and thus making sure that Roe v Wade is never overturned. But if Romney is elected president then he will appoint Pro Life Judges to the Supreme Court and Roe v Wade will most certainly be overturned. And if Romney is elected president then he will also appoint Judges to other courts who will make homosexuality against the law again.
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News Item10/13/12 1:13 AM
Mark M. | in the UAE  Contact via emailFind all comments by Mark M.
I agree that no genuine Christian can vote for Obama. When Democrats are in office, Obama or otherwise, the "Mexico City" laws become inactive. When Republicans are in office they become active again. These laws prohibit American funds to go overseas for the purposes of training and providing personnel and services for abortions. As in America, this does not mean that abortions will stop, but it will make it more difficult to obtain one. If this results in even one child being saved, then I'll be glad to cast my vote for Romney. The types of Supreme Court Justices we are likely to get under a Republican president only solidify my choice.

As to third party candidates, there really isn't a strong one this go round so I don't expect Obama nor Romney to make any significant gain or loss due to one of these candidates. This will be a choice for the American people to make, and I think it's probably the most important election of my lifetime.

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News Item10/13/12 12:33 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable servant wrote:
If no man knows the day or hour but the Father then it is a specific day and hour, we can’t speed it up. If we know that righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach, if we are to pray that our leaders will promote policies that help us lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty, then we should vote for the candidate whose stated policies are promoting those virtues the most. No perfect candidates. No perfect party. We have the privilege of choosing the direction our nation will go with our vote. Ultimately all of it is in God’s sovereign hand. (Proverbs 21:1) Our prayers, therefore, are far more important than our vote.
Extremely well said and I agree with all of your thought processes as I understand them. As long as we don't assign a spiritual significance to either candidate. In other words, say that one is more moral in God's eyes than the other. And, I might add, that no genuine Christian can vote for Obama in my opinion. Isaiah 3:9 sealed that issue for me against Obama and your verse Pr. 21:1 sort of ties it together as well.
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News Item10/12/12 11:59 PM
Unprofitable servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable servant
Wow, where to begin. Richard Kirsch and Bill Moyer (a left wing partisan)are entitled to their opinions, but that is all they are, they do not represent facts. Votes for third party candidates put Democrats in office. President Clinton never garnered even 50% of the vote but the Ross Perot's candidacy took enough votes away from two less than desirable republicans to hand him victory. President Obama already has a proven record of not appointing good Supreme Court justices. But will acknowledge he hasn’t changed his socialist agenda during his term. If no man knows the day or hour but the Father then it is a specific day and hour, we can’t speed it up. If we know that righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach, if we are to pray that our leaders will promote policies that help us lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty, then we should vote for the candidate whose stated policies are promoting those virtues the most. No perfect candidates. No perfect party. We have the privilege of choosing the direction our nation will go with our vote. Ultimately all of it is in God’s sovereign hand. (Proverbs 21:1) Our prayers, therefore, are far more important than our vote.
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News Item10/12/12 5:38 PM
A True Blue Jew  Find all comments by A True Blue Jew
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News Item10/12/12 4:30 PM
Phoebe  Find all comments by Phoebe
Psalm 2. Why do the nations rage and the people plot a vain thing?
The Kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together,
against the Lord and against His Annointed, saying "Let us break their bonds in pieces, and cast away their cords from us."
He who sits in the heavens shall laugh.
The Lord shall hold them in derision
Then He shall speak to them in His wrath
And distress them in His deep displeasure
Yet I have set MY KING on MY Holy Hill of Zion.

1 Sam 8: Israel DEMANDS a King. And the Lord said to Samuel "Heed the people in all that they say to you: for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

Heed their voice; however you shall solemnly forwarn them and show them the behaviour of the king who will reign over them.

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News Item10/12/12 3:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
The broad road that leads to destruction will be beautifully paved and so easy to travel. A simple decision to receive a mark and to outwardly worship someone other than Christ is all that will be required to gain access to this beautifully paved comfortable road. Many, if not most of our loved ones, our church leaders, those we have worshipped with, our friends, the rich and famous, the influential, the erudite, philanthropists, and the mainstream of the world will be on that road. In contrast, the narrow road that leads to life will be full of potholes, mud, dangers, fears, doubts, frustrations, pain, loneliness, shame, and even death. Those who travel it will be naked, hungry, thirsty, sick, imprisoned, beaten, ignoble, ridiculed, poor and without shelter. Those on the side of the road will be yelling “if your God is real call to Him and see if He will save you”, or some such comments.
Those on this narrow road will be much like our Savior as He hung on the cross! “For the preaching of the cross and the things of God are truly foolishness to those who are lost, but to God’s children they are wisdom, life and victory.” Only God’s elect would ever choose such a seemingly “foolish” road!
Good writing Frank!
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News Item10/12/12 3:37 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK

I wrote this some time ago.

The broad road that leads to destruction will be beautifully paved and so easy to travel. A simple decision to receive a mark and to outwardly worship someone other than Christ is all that will be required to gain access to this beautifully paved comfortable road. Many, if not most of our loved ones, our church leaders, those we have worshipped with, our friends, the rich and famous, the influential, the erudite, philanthropists, and the mainstream of the world will be on that road. In contrast, the narrow road that leads to life will be full of potholes, mud, dangers, fears, doubts, frustrations, pain, loneliness, shame, and even death. Those who travel it will be naked, hungry, thirsty, sick, imprisoned, beaten, ignoble, ridiculed, poor and without shelter. Those on the side of the road will be yelling “if your God is real call to Him and see if He will save you”, or some such comments.

Those on this narrow road will be much like our Savior as He hung on the cross! “For the preaching of the cross and the things of God are truly foolishness to those who are lost, but to God’s children they are wisdom, life and victory.” Only God’s elect would ever choose such a seemingly “foolish” road!

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News Item10/12/12 3:22 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I'll repeat,
Leviticus 9
...
you can't do what you want with what you control --by the way, everything is the Lord's and you don't own a thing, there is the above restriction
And I've already told you: Leviticus is OT Law, which your theology rejects as irelevant to the Church Age; thus, you have no grounds for citing this verse. And it is irrelevant anyhow, since allowing gleaning is an ethical duty, not a legal one (no punishment is prescribed). You're commanded to love your neighbor; should Congress therefore pass a law enforcing that too?

Spell my name right, please. And if everything is the Lord's in the sense you imply, then the State, or you, has no more right to my property than I have. Reductio ad absurdum, you are refuted.

Unless the State is god. Give it up, Jim: you have no argument at all.

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News Item10/12/12 3:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I'll repeat,

Leviticus 9
9 'Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest.
10 'Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.---NASB

No, Neal, you can't do what you want with what you control --by the way, everything is the Lord's and you don't own a thing, there is the above restriction.

You should really read, A Culture of Corruption,

Bill Moyer wrote:
GREED WITHOUT APOLOGIES—I am an equal opportunity muckraker. Anyone who saw the documentary my team and I produced on the illegal fund-raising for Bill Clinton's re-election knows I am no fan of the Democratic money-machine that helped tear away the party from whatever roots it had in the struggles of working people. But today the Republicans own the government lock, stock, and barrel. And they have turned their self-proclaimed revolution into a cash cow.
Thanks be bring up a religious question, though.
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News Item10/12/12 2:34 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
One should remember that Romney believes in Romney,
And Obama believes in Obama, & Jim believes in Jim.

Jim would be outraged if the following list of contributions was for a Repub candidate rather than the 2008 Obama campaign:
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
JPMorgan Chase $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
UBS AG $532,674 (HQ in Switzerland!)
General Electric $529,855
Morgan Stanley $512,232

This may be shocking news to Thomists & Marxists, but businesses have EVERY right to hire & fire in hope of financial gain, whether wisely or not. Now we may not *like* their choices, but that's none of our legal or political business.

I repeat, "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?" – Matt. 20:13

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News Item10/12/12 2:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
One should remember that Romney believes in Romney,
Richard Kirsch wrote:
At Bain Capital, making as much money as possible for Mitt Romney was clearly his guiding principle. Romney didn't care whether the companies Bain bought hired workers or fired workers; it only mattered whether they made more money for Bain and Romney. And he got very rich....
...when he negotiated a bipartisan health care plan, he bragged[ ]that it would be a model for the nation.
excerpt from, Mitt Romney's Guiding Principle Is Mitt Romney.

Gentlemen, may I gently point out some of you may be in an unbiblical land. The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism.

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