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FRIDAY, OCT 5, 2012  |  17 comments
Relatives of 17th Century ‘Witches’ Who Died at the Gallows Seek Apology From CT Government

Most Americans are familiar with the trials and tribulations that those suspected of witchcraft once faced during the nation’s founding. But while many dismiss the tales as mere historical blemishes, some descendants of the so-called witches are demanding that their long-lost relatives receive justice.

Take, for instance, 82-year-old Bernice Mable Graham Telian, who’s great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother was hanged in Connecticut back in 1663. More than 300 years later, Telian is seeking equity for her relative and for the 10 others who perished alongside her. ...


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News Item10/7/12 3:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, correction to my comment 9 of the 10 Commandments Christ did reiterate. Only the one about the sabbath, was not repeated, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance.

I don't see anywhere in the New Testament about the burning of witches, and since we are not Jews who should have some direction from the Old Testament, but Christians who are under the guidance of the New Testament.

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.---NASB

Jews and Christians are to understand The Purpose of the Law. Now if a Jew really understood the purpose of the Law he would become a Christian.

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News Item10/6/12 6:51 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Who REALLY Killed Christ wrote:
"freely playing with...?" OR "Applying The 7 Torah Interpretation Rules Of RABBI SHAUL"
No Bible-believer should care what this or that Rabbi says. Burning is not a Biblical punishment for witchcraft. It is simply a capital offense, end of story.

Moreover, the late-medieval witch craze was rife with bad judicial procedure. It is a major causal leap (AKA superstitious nonsense) to claim that because someone got sick or something, witchcraft (esp. from a particular person) was therefore responsible. It is the *practices* (curses, divination, necromancy, etc.) of witchcraft which Scripture condemns, not the ostensible effects of it.

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News Item10/6/12 5:24 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Who REALLY Killed Christ wrote:
II-GENERAL, PARTICULAR, GENERAL
You May Derive Only Things Similar To Those Specified. EXAMPLE: *LEVITICUS 21:9 'The Daughter Of Any Priest, If She Profane Herself By Playing The Whore...She Shall Be Burnt With Fire...(WITCH=FEMALE=DAUGHTER As) SPECIFIED By THE TEXT.
Interesting. I don't remember all those verses in Leviticus regarding the burning of people for certain wrongdoings but I do remember in Genesis where Judah wanted to burn Tamar after finding she played the harlot--until it was found that Judah himself was the whoremonger.
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News Item10/6/12 3:19 PM
Who REALLY Killed Christ  Find all comments by Who REALLY Killed Christ
Mike wrote:
Kinda freely playing with...aren't you?
"freely playing with...?" OR "Applying The 7 Torah Interpretation Rules Of RABBI SHAUL"

"But Continue Thou In The Things Which Thou Hast Learned And Hast Been Assured Of, Knowing Of Whom Thou Hast Learned Them;" 2 Timothy 3:14

There Are Three Fundamental Principles In Torah (Holy Bible) Hermeneutics:

#1.LOGIC
#2.ANALOGY
#3.COMPARISON

RAV SHAUL (ST. PAUL) Speaks Of "Rightly Dividing (Interpreting) The Torah (Holy Bible); As A Student Of RABBI GAMALIEL (The Grandson Of HILLEL) And HE Used THE SEVEN RULES, So It Was OBVIOUS That SHAUL Was Referring To The Torah Skills (Of Interpretation: i.e.. Of HILLEL & GAMALIEL).

I-PARTICULAR AND GENERAL

If The General Instances Are Stated FIRST And They Are Followed By The General Category, Instances Other Than The Particular Ones Mentioned Are Included. EXAMPLE: EXODUS 22:9 'An Ass, Or An Ox, Or A Sheep, Or Any Beast' Therefore ANY BEAST Other Than Those Mentioned ARE Included.

II-GENERAL, PARTICULAR, GENERAL

You May Derive Only Things Similar To Those Specified. EXAMPLE: *LEVITICUS 21:9 'The Daughter Of Any Priest, If She Profane Herself By Playing The Whore...She Shall Be Burnt With Fire...(WITCH=FEMALE=DAUGHTER As) SPECIFIED By THE TEXT.

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News Item10/6/12 3:08 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Who REALLY Killed Christ wrote:
---
AS THE HOLY BIBLE DOES NOT SPEAK AGAINST "BURNING WITCHES" !
"And If A Man (A Warlock [For Example]) Take (That Is, 'Fornicates With') A Wife (Another Man's Woman/Wife Who May Happen To Be A Witch ALSO) AND Her Mother (Who May Have Recruited Her Daughter Into WITCHCRAFT), It Is WICKEDNESS: They SHALL BE BURNT WITH FIRE, BOTH HE AND THEY..." Leviticus 20:14
"And The Daughter Of Any Priest (Including-But Not Limited To-Priests Of Baal & Etc.), If She PROFANE Herself By Playing THE WHORE (AS ALL WITCHES 'PLAY')...SHE SHALL BE BURNT WITH FIRE." Leviticus 21:9
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DEATH, PREFERRABLY BY BURNING, TO ALL WARLOCKS & WITCHES !
Kinda freely playing with Leviticus, aren't you? You and Rick Warren, what a team!
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News Item10/6/12 2:51 PM
Who REALLY Killed Christ  Find all comments by Who REALLY Killed Christ
My Previous Comment Is Worth REPEATING

**SO TAKE NOTE ALL YOU "JESUITS", "JE[W]SUITS", SPIRITUAL WARLOCKS, WITCHES, SODOMITES & GOMORRAHITES:

So Far As I CAN TELL, THE BIBLE PRESCRIBED PUNISHMENT FOR WITCHES OUGHT & SHOULD BE BURNING--Or At LEAST The MOST PHYSICAL EXTREME PUNISHMENT As PRESCRIBED By
THE HOLY BIBLE !:

WITCHES ARE NOTORIOUS FORNICATORS, ADULTERERS, IDOLATORS & PRACTITIONERS OF ALL MANNER OF SEXUAL PERVERSIONS; INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO BESTIALITY & THE LIKE !

Therefore, The MOST EXTREME PUNISHMENT ALLOTED TO WITCHES SHOULD & OUGHT BE "BURNING" !

AS THE HOLY BIBLE DOES NOT SPEAK AGAINST "BURNING WITCHES" !

"And If A Man (A Warlock [For Example]) Take (That Is, 'Fornicates With') A Wife (Another Man's Woman/Wife Who May Happen To Be A Witch ALSO) AND Her Mother (Who May Have Recruited Her Daughter Into WITCHCRAFT), It Is WICKEDNESS: They SHALL BE BURNT WITH FIRE, BOTH HE AND THEY..." Leviticus 20:14

"And The Daughter Of Any Priest (Including-But Not Limited To-Priests Of Baal & Etc.), If She PROFANE Herself By Playing THE WHORE (AS ALL WITCHES 'PLAY')...SHE SHALL BE BURNT WITH FIRE." Leviticus 21:9

"THOU SHALT NOT SUFFER A WITCH TO LIVE." EXODUS 22:18

DEATH, PREFERRABLY BY BURNING, TO ALL WARLOCKS & WITCHES !

NOW & FOREVERMORE !

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News Item10/6/12 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I can't speak too much for Neil, but he most likely was concerned about the New Testament. Christians are not under the law of the Old except for what Christ said we were, and that means only nine of the 10 Commandments. We aren't required to recognize that either.

Colossians 2
16 Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.---NASB

Or as this sermon puts it, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance Legalism of the Old Testament variety has no place for a Christian. We have Freedom from the Mosaic Law.

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News Item10/6/12 2:24 PM
Who REALLY Killed Christ  Find all comments by Who REALLY Killed Christ
Neil wrote:
Nowhere was burning expressly prescribed in the Bible as punishment for witches, so far as I can tell...
So Far As I CAN TELL, THE BIBLE PRESCRIBED PUNISHMENT FOR WITCHES OUGHT & SHOULD BE BURNING--Or At LEAST The MOST PHYSICAL EXTREME PUNISHEMENT As PRESCRIBED By
THE HOLY BIBLE !:

WITCHES ARE NOTORIOUS FORNICATORS, ADULTERERS, IDOLATORS & PRACTITIONERS OF ALL MANNER OF SEXUAL PERVERSIONS; INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO BESTIALITY & THE LIKE !

Therefore, The MOST EXTREME PUNISHMENT ALLOTED TO WITCHES SHOULD & AUGHT BE "BURNING" !

AS THE HOLY BIBLE DOES NOT SPEAK AGAINST "BURNING WITCHES" !

"And If A Man (A Warlock [For Example]) Take (That Is, 'Fornicates With') A Wife (Another Man's Woman/Wife Who May Happen To Be A Witch ALSO) AND Her Mother (Who May Have Recruited Her Daughter Into WITCHCRAFT), It Is WICKEDNESS: They SHALL BE BURNT WITH FIRE, BOTH HE AND THEY..." Leviticus 20:14

"And The Daughter Of Any Priest (Including But Not Limited To Priests Of Baal & Etc.), If She PROFANE Herself By Playing THE WHORE (AS ALL WITCHES 'PLAY')...SHE SHALL BE BURNT WITH FIRE." Leviticus 21:9

"THOU SHALT NOT SUFFER A WITCH TO LIVE." EXODUS 22:18

DEATH, PREFERRABLY BY BURNING, TO ALL WARLOCKS & WITCHES !

NOW & FOREVERMORE !

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News Item10/6/12 11:41 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Nowhere was burning expressly prescribed in the Bible as punishment for witches, so far as I can tell.

Jennifer Mason wrote:
Is she for real? Can we honestly think this person is even rational? Sounds like a loose screw to me, and someone needs to batten down the hatches!
Are you referring to the post before yours, or the woman in the article? It's a tough call, whether one or the other is less rational.
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News Item10/6/12 6:39 AM
Jennifer Mason | South  Find all comments by Jennifer Mason
Is she for real? Can we honestly think this person is even rational? Sounds like a loose screw to me, and someone needs to batten down the hatches!
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News Item10/5/12 10:29 PM
Who REALLY Killed Christ  Find all comments by Who REALLY Killed Christ
Quincy wrote:
And I demand an apology from both the Italian and the Palestinian Authority governments for the death of Christ!
Quincy: You Mean You Demand An Apology From ROME & THE JEWS For THE CRUCIFIXION Of CHRIST ?

KJB Believer wrote:
If you very go deep into that "witch" trials you will maybe see that the accusers were the witches.
KJB Believer: No Witches Were Even BURNED After The Trials, As The KJB Holy Bible Requires. So Who Really Obeyed The Scriptures & Disobeyed Almighty GOD ?

Neil wrote:
They must not read widely: Samuel Sewall, one of the Puritan judges at the trials, did publicly apologize.
For NOT Burning Witches As Prescribed By Holy Writ ?

Mike wrote:
Is there some guilty party still around to apologize?
The Descendants Of Samuel Sewall ? If They Believe The Literal Interpretation Of Holy Scripture:

"Thou Shalt Not Suffer A Witch To Live." Exodus 22:18

"And If A Man Take A Wife And Her Mother, It Is Wickedness: They Shall Be BURNT WITH FIRE, Both He And They..." Leviticus 20:14

"And The Daughter Of Any Priest, If She PROFANE Herself By Playing THE WHORE...She Shall Be BURNT WITH FIRE." Leviticus 21:9

*NOW LET'S BURN ALL WITCHES ! ! ! !

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News Item10/5/12 7:16 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Treador wrote:
What exactly an apology for water under the bridge is supposed to accomplish .....???
Perhaps it's all a matter of symbolism, very important in modern culture. Whether it actually accomplishes anything productive is irrelevant. This could also explain the continuing popularity of welfare, bureaucratic regulation, interventionist foreign policy, etc. Good intentions excuse everything.

And as I said, Sewall already apologized, to wit:
"Sewall's apology had certainly been made in earnest, as he genuinely feared the wrath of God. While others, including twelve jurors and eventually Cotton Mather and Ann Putnam, offered words of contrition none mirrored the importance and feeling of personally responsibility of Sewall. ... Sewall's apology truly stands out against the backdrop of the others, as his showed sense of moral conscience and a real feeling of remorse. He would continue to fast one day out of the year for the rest of his life as a sign of contrition."

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News Item10/5/12 6:33 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Is there some guilty party still around to apologize?
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News Item10/5/12 11:05 AM
Treador  Find all comments by Treador
Seems to be the in thing these days for various groups to require an apology for man's history.

What exactly an apology for water under the bridge is supposed to accomplish .....???

Its a strange world these days.

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News Item10/5/12 10:31 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
They must not read widely: Samuel Sewall, one of the Puritan judges at the trials, did publicly apologize.
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News Item10/5/12 9:46 AM
KJB Believer  Find all comments by KJB Believer
If you very go deep into that "witch" trials you will maybe see that the accusers were the witches.
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News Item10/5/12 1:47 AM
Quincy  Find all comments by Quincy
And I demand an apology from both the Italian and the Palestinian Authority governments for the death of Christ!
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